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Nobody else has the resources to fight against these evils like the Catholic Church. The Orthodox churches were almost destroyed under the nightmare of Communism and some were lost, but we survived, thrived and have grown spread the Sacraments worldwide.
On that I would agree in principle. The Catholics are the only ones left with International State recognition. The problem remains that the Pope must humble himself and renounce the doctrine of papal infallibility as a pre-requisite for calling a new ecumenical council that anyone outside the catholic communion would even consider attending.
 
the Pope must humble himself and renounce the doctrine of papal infallibility as a pre-requisite for calling a new ecumenical council that anyone outside the catholic communion would even consider attending.
Why? It's basically never used by the Pope, and only non-Catholics even seem to care about it, mostly because they assume it means Catholics think the Pope can't be wrong.

It's only real use case in the last few centuries is to give the pope authority to end debates on specific questions of faith so the church can move on to other issues. It avoids the whole endless "angels dancing on a pen" type of debates when the Turks are climbing over the walls, that the Orthodox church loved getting stuck into.
 
Not really laundering when you have your own state. It’s just regular corruption.

True, Catholic Charities love moving Latinx around. It’s what the Pope wants.

Good on the Catholics for working on a plan that wouldn’t pay off for 900 years.
We somehow had the foresight to foresee Protestantism, but our counter was a religion that would largely trouble Catholic and Orthodox peoples even after the rise of Protestantism and when Protestantism did arise it was dismissed for years as some minor theological dispute between German monks that didn't really need a response from Rome.
 
I just found the best 'tradcath'. I use the quotations around the term because he is (after being an Anglican LARPer) apparently a member of a schismatic offshoot from something bizarre called 'Old Catholics'. These seem to be characters who agree with the Orthodox and disagree with most Protestants and all Catholics about certain things like the 'filioque' in the Nicene creed (which has been accepted by Catholics for about a millenia), but think that Catholic rituals are nice, but think they are not humourless enough. The original Old Catholics originated in the late 19th century, but they had another schism in 2008 with the formation of the Union of Scranton (yes, that is the well known holy city of Scranton , PA).

Those who profess faith in Scrantonianism don't just reject fag marriage, papal infalliability, the filioque, etc but also little things like the recognition of the Immaculate Conception as a Catholic precept.

Anyway, I had a good laugh because the 'Old Catholic' I came across was Calvin Robinson, a mentally ill Jamaican video games journalist and former computing teacher who has gone through a voyage of lunacy through steadily more superficially 'extreme' civic nationalist retardation and more and more autistic deliberately schismatic religions. This deranged mulatto has gone from being a standard mentally ill conservative a few years ago, to being a commentator on GB News aspiring to be an Anglican priest, to now being the chief spokesman of the completely gutted and irrelevant UKIP Party, a priest in the 'Nordic Catholic Church' and a podcaster with Sargon's 'lotus eaters' 'podcast network.

He doesn't appear to have ever been married, in a, um, interesting contrast to many of these 'Old Catholic' types.

He is now threatening to leave Britain without his estimable presence and become an alien foreigner somewhere else (he presumably is moving to the US rather than Jamaica):
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Will he be a bishop in his own church next year? Maybe, should be fun.
 
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Is that Faggot who sits in Canterbury at the pleasure of the retards running Westminster truly the Archbishop responsible for the UK? Or is he just a faggot?
I know you're being sarcastic but my autism compels me to say that no, the Archbishop of the UK is not the Archbishop of Canterbury; the Archbishop of the UK is Archbishop Nikitas of Great Britain and Thyateira.
 
I personally refuse to believe that she isn't present there because someone from the RCC or a protestant denomination says she isn't a saint and doesn't belong in the church when a child can clearly recognise that she's standing right there and wants to go up and say hello to her.
As a Catholic
(or for the based, Latin Orthodox, or for the basedest, Latin Orthodox Catholic)
I will say most Catholics are retarded when it comes to our sister Churches in the East. I think Eastern Saints are as valid as Western saints in most cases (the only case I'm genuinely iffy about is some random Russian dude who was beheaded in Chechnya and considered a martyr for the faith, when all signs point to it being due to the conflict going on there at the time). I feel the same way about Therese of Lisieux as you do about Elizaveta Feodorovna: some people live lives so pure and truly good, that you can't imagine them not being a saint.
 
little things like the recognition of the Immaculate Conception as a Catholic precept.
Ironically it isn't a little thing, it's the reason why the Old Catholics had their schism to begin with.

They rejected the definition of papal infallibility from the First Vatican Council and by extension rejected the dogma of the Immaculate Conception because it was proclaimed by the same pope that presided over the First Vatican Council.
 
On that I would agree in principle. The Catholics are the only ones left with International State recognition. The problem remains that the Pope must humble himself and renounce the doctrine of papal infallibility as a pre-requisite for calling a new ecumenical council that anyone outside the catholic communion would even consider attending.
I may be double posting but papal infalibility has only been used in theological contexts and even then only really once with the proclamation of the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary. It has limits and isn't the end all trump card non-Catholics make it out to be. It's more of a means to announce and formalize doctrines that more likely than not have existed in one form or another in the Magisteriun for centuries as formal dogma. The Pope just can't use it willy nilly. It has to have some spiritual relevance and meaning behind it. It's more of a means to formalize dogma that's existed in one way for centuries.

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I may be double posting but papal infalibility has onky been used in theological contexts and even then only really once with the proclamation of the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary. It has limits and isn't the end all trump card non-Catholics male ot out to be. It's more of a means to announce and formalize doctrines that more likely than not have existed in one form or another in the Magisteriun for centuries as formal dogma. The Pope just can't use it willy nilly. It has to have some spiritual relevance and meaning behind it.
Possibly twice. There is a lot of evidence Pope John Paul II's statement on the ordination of women was an ex cathedra proclamation subject to papal infallibility.
 
I love all my joke threads become actual debates about nonsense all of you are subhuman and you will feel the wrath of the orthodox Protestant alliance against the Vatican dogs
 
There are literally no other theological differences after the Eastern Catholic Churches joined us
This either means Catholic theology has become so fluid that the rock of St. Peter has turned into quicksand, or that Uniates have diverged so drastically that they've become a church of Ukrainian skinwalkers.
 
This either means Catholic theology has become so fluid that the rock of St. Peter has turned into quicksand, or that Uniates have diverged so drastically that they've become a church of Ukrainian skinwalkers.
I've spoken to a lot of Catholics recently who definitely feel like the former.
 
This either means Catholic theology has become so fluid that the rock of St. Peter has turned into quicksand, or that Uniates have diverged so drastically that they've become a church of Ukrainian skinwalkers.
What are the theological differences between Orthodoxy and Catholicism?

If you think Russian Orthodoxy is anything remotely orthodox, you're nuts. It's been so warped into a venue for state propaganda and nothing more. I have no evidence KGB Kirill even believes in God.
 
What are the theological differences between Orthodoxy and Catholicism?

If you think Russian Orthodoxy is anything remotely orthodox, you're nuts. It's been so warped into a venue for state propaganda and nothing more. I have no evidence KGB Kirill even believes in God.
I'm not the biggest fan of the Moscow Patriarchate, all things considered, but at the same time I'm not going to LARP about the UOC being anything other than a political grift that no-one with any sense wants to get involved with.

If you really want to, you can actually go and visit Ukraine right and check out some of these Uniate churches for yourself: They are dead and empty every single service because people would rather go to their local, standard faire Orthodox Church just down the road. To add to this, Athos doesn't recognise it as a legitimate church, a lot of monasteries won't let you on the grounds if you support the UOC for multiple reasons, some worldly and some because they actually recognise it's just a grift meant to split the Church even more than it already has been, some monasteries on Athos will actually boot you out for even bringing up the war in the Ukraine as a general stance because they don't want the halls being tainted with worldly discussion about a modern schism, which shouldn't really come as any surprise to anyone, to be completely honest.
 
I'm not the biggest fan of the Moscow Patriarchate, all things considered, but at the same time I'm not going to LARP about the UOC being anything other than a political grift that no-one with any sense wants to get involved with.

If you really want to, you can actually go and visit Ukraine right and check out some of these Uniate churches for yourself: They are dead and empty every single service because people would rather go to their local, standard faire Orthodox Church just down the road. To add to this, Athos doesn't recognise it as a legitimate church, a lot of monasteries won't let you on the grounds if you support the UOC for multiple reasons, some worldly and some because they actually recognise it's just a grift meant to split the Church even more than it already has been,
They're all dying in the former Soviet Union, religion isn't making a comeback there and if it is it's going into strange directions like neopaganism. The Bolsheviks mortally wounded all of the churches there and they are most likely past the point of recovery. It's hard to overemphasize how much destruction was done, to the ROC included.

some monasteries on Athos will actually boot you out for even bringing up the war in the Ukraine as a general stance because they don't want the halls being tainted with worldly discussion about a modern schism, which shouldn't really come as any surprise to anyone, to be completely honest.
Sounds more like cowardice to me, like all "religious". Isolate yourself on your mountain and do nothing instead of actually engage with real issues impacting the world. None of the great philosophers of Greece or Rome did that, they all engaged with people and made an actual difference vs. sitting around in a monastery doing nothing but repeating empty words for endless hours.

I don't have respect for the Western monastic tradition either, mind you. Prayer is useless without action, the Protestants were 100% correct in their criticism of monasticism.
 
Sounds more like cowardice to me, like all "religious". Isolate yourself on your mountain and do nothing instead of actually engage with real issues impacting the world. None of the great philosophers of Greece or Rome did that, they all engaged with people and made an actual difference vs. sitting around in a monastery doing nothing but repeating empty words for endless hours.

I don't have respect for the Western monastic tradition either, mind you. Prayer is useless without action, the Protestants were 100% correct in their criticism of monasticism.
This is literally a trap from the devil to get us to focus on the World. Take what good you can from the Greek Philosophers and from the Romans, and then drop the rest like a sack of potatoes because it is of absolutely no significance whatsoever in the hereafter.

You could wind up dead as the result of a freak accident tomorrow, and suddenly all of these things that you or I have no control over will be of even less worth, as the only thing that will matter is what you'll say to the Lord when he looks upon you. May the Theotokos intercede and keep you from any harm, and may the Lord in his infinite grace have mercy upon you.
 
What are the theological differences between Orthodoxy and Catholicism?
Filioque, sacred heart, purgatory, atonement theory, soteriology, beatific vision, and hesychastic practice for starters.

Your church condemn our saints as heretics, so that's one more hurdle.

If you think Russian Orthodoxy is anything remotely orthodox, you're nuts. It's been so warped into a venue for state propaganda and nothing more. I have no evidence KGB Kirill even believes in God.
It's as Orthodox as Greek, Romanian, Serbian, Bulgarian, Antiochian, Georgian, or any other legitimate branch of the Orthodox Church. What authority do you have to anathematize an entire church from a religion that isn't even yours?
 
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To chime in a clarification; the Moscow Patriarchate is only excommunicated by whichever Ukrainian Orthodox Church opposes them (I can’t keep that particular case straight). No other Orthodox Church has excommunicated the Russians, not Constantinople nor Greece (who would be the immediate two that would have). Moscow excommunicated Constantinople, as did the Serbians I believe. Moscow really blackened their own eye doing that.
 
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