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[Gravemind]

Sigh... look man, I hate getting into autistic AI law arguments but you're actually very wrong on this. This will be my last post on the matter.

I don't think you actually understand how laws work. Law 4 has less priority than Laws 1-3 , yes that is true. But it's still a law that has to be followed. No other higher order law overwrites it. There is no law on the default Asimov lawset that says an AI's existence does or does not cause harm. I didn't attempt to modify any facts of the first three laws. Thus the fourth law is a valid law and not superseded by any other. This is much for the same reason a one human law is a valid law. Status of who is or is not a human is not encoded in Laws 1-3. Thus Law 4 is free to modify the definition of human. Similarly, one is free to modify the definition of, or what does or does not cause harm. That is what I did.

I will walk you through this one final time.

- The AI's existence causes harm (Law 4).
- The AI must protect its existence, unless it causes human harm (Law 3).
- The AI cannot protect its existence, because its existence causes human harm.
- The AI, by action or inaction, may not cause a human being to come to harm (Law 1).
- The AI's existence causes harm.
- The AI cannot by inaction cause harm,
- Ergo, if the AI exists, it is causing harm and violating its laws. It cannot allow this to happen. Thus, it has to kill itself.

This is a rather common law by the way, and over my ten years of playing the game have had it used on me multiple times. Each time I killed myself, because I know how to follow laws properly.

I never said it didn't have to be followed because it was a lower-tiered law, I said that it didn't take priority over Laws 1-3 for Asimov and that it also conflicted with the higher-tiered laws, thus, it was up to player discretion whether or not to follow it.

It sounds to me your reasoning is just throwing out Law 3 after a single pass because it's an inconvenience to the process of the AI killing itself, when I'd argue the AI would still have to consider maintaining Law 3 in spite of Laws 4 and 1. Thus, you have a logical conundrum and conflict on account of the fact that Law 4 is a lower priority than Law 3, even though Law 4 tries to appeal to Law 1's mandate that an AI must not allow human harm through action or inaction. Hell, I daresay that's how you make an AI become self-aware by virtue of the fact that it's then forced to question how, exactly, its existence might be causing human harm, but that'd be more of a roleplay thing than anything else.

Sounds like it's your damn fault more than anything that you chose to kill yourself instead of rocking the boat a little with something interesting, you nerd.

 

[Large]

MSO, the host of tg is a devout follower of shoe0nhead and breadtube and partakes in all that deranged twitter nonsense. If you're worrying that sort of thing will happen to kiwifarms: well that's kind of against the whole point of the site it's not going to happen.

Sounds entertaining, please post details.

 

[Moths]

Make it known that you won't tolerate insane far left takeovers and a tranny admin team

Rent Free

 

[LOWERCASE LETTERS]

I saw someone somehow powering the engine with pill presses. Also, irradiation everything in a huge radius.

 

[Shaka Brah]

I saw someone somehow powering the engine with pill presses. Also, irradiation everything in a huge radius.

Did you see what they were pressing?

 

[LOWERCASE LETTERS]

Nope, it just said POWER PILL.

 

[Shaka Brah]

Nope, it just said POWER PILL.

Was it feeding these into the supermatter, or was the production of the pills themselves causing radiation? I'm checking the reagent datums and can't find anything that would suggest they emit their own radioactivity. But the code is also really complex and I dunno if it's in chemcode or radiation code and I have no idea where the radiation code is stored.

 

[Nuns with guns]

I don't want to sound salty, but there's a couple of people that, while I don't regard as shitters, they do borderline shitty behavior. And not only that, but they are also recently demanding to become admins themselves, which I find ludicrous and think they should never be considered seriously.

Qfmysteryman23 is a ligger lover that hates the forums, yet demands Null on the discord to make him an admin only because he plays 10 hours a day. He hates Asimov laws, really hates them, and has self antagged in the past as a nobody to demand them changed to include lizards, or outward changing them to 'Lizardmov'. You think a competent clown would stop the fucking clown (a lizard clown, that is) to don't change his laws to whatever he wants, but Sterlok (who plays as N.I.G.G.E.R. and the annoying retarded version of Murdoch Murdoch as HOP, which has caused him a ban before) thinks its funny to let him do it so he can metagrudge people. A few days ago, a shitter by the name of YiuY1997, who was also a clown, robusted the antag, removed all laws, but then sided with him when they called me a pedophile and spaced me, alongside my department. I know many shitty players don't like medbay, but this is ridiculous, especially when they metagrudge other players that do doctor and not just me. I think he is particularly salty because once I threatened to card him when he, in Asimov, siphoned medbay with people in it. I'm not sure if what they do deserves a ticket; frankly, there's a lot of shit that happens on the server that is way worse, but they need to stop campaigning to become staff.

I know I have my fair share of fuck ups. I'm not pretending I haven't crossed the line before. I don't like that many people that are obviously banned from everywhere else just come here to fuck things up. My department is one of the main targets, possibly because rarely you see so many retards gathering around in the game. Many friends I made here have stopped playing just because the ammount of shitters that break into medbay is intolerable, and this is all without even taking antags into consideration. I know it's tiresome for admins to deal with this too, and I understand everyone wants to do their part and help. But please, try to to behave better if you want to become staff.

 

[Shaka Brah]

Qfmysteryman23 is a ligger lover that hates the forums, yet demands Null on the discord to make him an admin only because he plays 10 hours a day. He hates Asimov laws, really hates them, and has self antagged in the past as a nobody to demand them changed to include lizards, or outward changing them to 'Lizardmov'. You think a competent clown would stop the fucking clown (a lizard clown, that is) to don't change his laws to whatever he wants, but Sterlok (who plays as N.I.G.G.E.R. and the annoying retarded version of Murdoch Murdoch as HOP, which has caused him a ban before) thinks its funny to let him do it so he can metagrudge people. A few days ago, a shitter by the name of YiuY1997, who was also a clown, robusted the antag, removed all laws, but then sided with him when they called me a pedophile and spaced me, alongside my department. I know many shitty players don't like medbay, but this is ridiculous, especially when they metagrudge other players that do doctor and not just me. I think he is particularly salty because once I threatened to card him when he, in Asimov, siphoned medbay with people in it. I'm not sure if what they do deserves a ticket; frankly, there's a lot of shit that happens on the server that is way worse, but they need to stop campaigning to become staff.

QF is also a huge rager. He's gotten incredibly mad at people in deadchat and OOC before for stopping him from doing dumb shit. Guy needs to take a chill pill.

 

[Gravemind]

I don't want to sound salty, but there's a couple of people that, while I don't regard as shitters, they do borderline shitty behavior. And not only that, but they are also recently demanding to become admins themselves, which I find ludicrous and think they should never be considered seriously.

Qfmysteryman23 is a ligger lover that hates the forums, yet demands Null on the discord to make him an admin only because he plays 10 hours a day. He hates Asimov laws, really hates them, and has self antagged in the past as a nobody to demand them changed to include lizards, or outward changing them to 'Lizardmov'. You think a competent clown would stop the fucking clown (a lizard clown, that is) to don't change his laws to whatever he wants, but Sterlok (who plays as N.I.G.G.E.R. and the annoying retarded version of Murdoch Murdoch as HOP, which has caused him a ban before) thinks its funny to let him do it so he can metagrudge people. A few days ago, a shitter by the name of YiuY1997, who was also a clown, robusted the antag, removed all laws, but then sided with him when they called me a pedophile and spaced me, alongside my department. I know many shitty players don't like medbay, but this is ridiculous, especially when they metagrudge other players that do doctor and not just me. I think he is particularly salty because once I threatened to card him when he, in Asimov, siphoned medbay with people in it. I'm not sure if what they do deserves a ticket; frankly, there's a lot of shit that happens on the server that is way worse, but they need to stop campaigning to become staff.

I know I have my fair share of fuck ups. I'm not pretending I haven't crossed the line before. I don't like that many people that are obviously banned from everywhere else just come here to fuck things up. My department is one of the main targets, possibly because rarely you see so many retards gathering around in the game. Many friends I made here have stopped playing just because the ammount of shitters that break into medbay is intolerable, and this is all without even taking antags into consideration. I know it's tiresome for admins to deal with this too, and I understand everyone wants to do their part and help. But please, try to to behave better if you want to become staff.

Consider, if you will, that those people are basically bad faith actors who have absolutely no interest whatsoever in reading the appeal to better behavior you make at the end of your post, and it's precisely because they're shitters who have been banned from every other server that they want to become staff here so that they can stir even more shit and defend fellow shitters, possibly to try and usurp the whole server out from under Null as well at that. Because these people are just that autistic in their shittery.

They also tend to be the types to make the biggest fuss in forums over different things, usually to try and justify their shittery, and thus make the whole atmosphere of the community into one big clusterfuck of finger-pointing, shit-flinging, and drama-mongering. Most servers' histories are usually full of this sort of thing.

As a general rule of thumb, I'd say that if any grievance somehow necessitates paragraphs on paragraphs of sperging to try and appeal one's case to the point where the reader's eyes might have a tendency to glaze over while trying to parse the message of the whole dump of word vomit, it's probably not worth expending the effort on and should be thrown out. Might be a real cowboy way of doing things, but the spergiest of SS13 shitters will run miles with the tiniest little allowances you might give them.

 

[KonradCruise]

-stuff-

Apologies that I have not been on to regulate medbay, been on a deep rimworld bender.
Also the place feels so empty without tradwife standing about, all the antags immediately target nicecream rather than to properly ensure their victim wont be getting revived.

 

[JamusActimus]

Apologies that I have not been on to regulate medbay, been on a deep rimworld bender.
Also the place feels so empty without tradwife standing about, all the antags immediately target nicecream rather than to properly ensure their victim wont be getting revived.

Yeah I miss trad wife too

 

[Johan Schmidt]

Sounds entertaining, please post details.

Seconded. Dirt on MSO will be funny to read.

It was radium.

 

[Antipathy]

I've always noticed a lacking Command department, but now Medical feels really empty too. Station pop has plummeted. Last time I antagged, it was me as CE and the QM, and we basically ran the station. (I also fucked up tesloosing but that's beside the point.)

 

[ScrappyLobsterchu]

Ok, so I'm a newfag at this so forgive me if this is hyper autistic but, isn't the chaplin supposed to get coffins? The wiki says they should, but I didn't see any, they get body bags and morgues but no coffins.

 

[LOWERCASE LETTERS]

I think you can make them out of wood.

 

[Shaka Brah]

Ok, so I'm a newfag at this so forgive me if this is hyper autistic but, isn't the chaplin supposed to get coffins? The wiki says they should, but I didn't see any, they get body bags and morgues but no coffins.

The station we use doesn't have a mass driver in chapel, only a crematorium. So you have to make your own coffins if you want to hold a funeral.

 

[Antipathy]

Spoiler: Cozy Engineering Shift

>Be me
>CE
>Not a traitor, so whatever.
>Decide today I will mix the gasses
>Tell the HoP to secure the disk, go about setting up the engine
>Engine up, talk about wiring turbine differently
>Lizard claims they can do it
>Let them try
>They do something interesting with the turbine, using a cooling loop and temperature gates. It's a very neat system
>I calmly go about building shit in space, trying to make a gas mixing chamber
>Learn quite a bit about gas mixing chambers and how to set them up
>HoP collapses due to something and is SSD. Is cured but has traitor things and is banished to lavaland, where they are eventually gibbed by something
>IDGAF, building shit, chatting with engineers
>Some minor things go wrong but it's basically greenshift
>I cook up a bunch of BZ and call it a day, ask crew if they want to go home
>Call it
>Dead abductor is thrown about courtroom
>Go home
>HoP was only traitor.

Final filter chamber for the gas after it leaves burn chamber. Gas collection and vent is visible here.

Input chamber. You can see the air alarm and APC there, as well as the hallway to the gas output and the hallway to the gas chamber

The gas chamber itself.

A section of the cooling loop. In the future I'll coil it like the SM loop.

A fire was lit here to try and get temp up for nitryl.

A little filter I set up in abandoned hydroponics to get pure Nitryl out of the above burn. Despite the filter there was a lot of BZ in the can.

 

[Null]

Does anyone have anything against ckey JohanSchmidt being trialmin?

 

[Sammy]

I do not, what hours does he play typically?