OGL aka Open Game License - Wizard Cash in On DND - Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar,

[RACISM]

The new license is written by niggers.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

If only there was a way to distribute information that violated copyrights...

 

[Weebburner]

First TSR now this. Why do women in charge always try to destroy D&D?

because woman are literally wired to think differently than man. Especially in term of value system. Both sexes literally value things differently. For example here's how people value themselves by sexes. Male tend to value themselves by how much they provide. Women sets their own value and expect things based on their perceived own value. "I'm worth X so I should do or get Y" for woman as opposed to man "I need to do or earn Y to be worth X". Theres a reason why some fields are entirely dominated by a certain gender.

 

[mindlessobserver]

No. Not another one. I literally made friends from this! Look it may be their copyright, but it was used for decades, you can't tell me there ain't some monopoly argument to be had- its like patenting water and suing every soda maker.

Maybe. They clearly are trying assert ownership of the D20 RPG System. The problem is its been so openly used by everyone for so many different projects that a serious Public Domain challenge could be made.

 

[byuu]

If only there was a way to distribute information that violated copyrights...

It's about commercial projects that are based on OGL-licensed rules.

 

[Dom Cruise]

They're not going to be happy until they've scrubbed every shred of what's decent about nerd culture off the face of the Earth.

What did we do to get on the powers that be's shitlist so bad?

 

[RACISM]

They're not going to be happy until they've scrubbed every shred of what's decent about nerd culture off the face of the Earth.

What did we do to get on the powers that be's shitlist so bad?

Simple: you aren't niggers.

 

[Fag Albert]

This totally didn't backfire the first time they did this.

 

[Jaimas]

This totally didn't backfire the first time they did this.

Or the second.
Or the third.

....This is like the sixth, by the way.

 

[Kupier]

I heard about this from a group of lgbt2aqshxbn++squared people I know irl who are deep into this shit. I don't get it. If you're upset, just go and follow another set of make-believe rules? It's not hard to make your own stuff - that's the point of TTRPGs. Is this like going to Square Enix to ask for permission before developing a JRPG? I'm not sure if I understand this right (or care). I just want to understand why I am laughing at someone freaking out over nothing. Sometimes it makes it more funny.

 

[Wormy]

AD&D is all you need. Faggots of the Coast can't bother you there.

WOTC can eat shit, but if I HAVE to go back to D&D, it's 3.5. Fite me.

Then again, if I do go back to D&D at all, I'm already in a pretty desperate state of mind. Sick of sword and sorcery.

lmao get fricked, nerds!

The nerds that know what they're doing will just go back as underground as we need to. We've done it before, we'll do it again.

 

[WhatIsThePunchline]

I heard about this from a group of lgbt2aqshxbn++squared people I know irl who are deep into this shit. I don't get it. If you're upset, just go and follow another set of make-believe rules? It's not hard to make your own stuff - that's the point of TTRPGs. Is this like going to Square Enix to ask for permission before developing a JRPG? I'm not sure if I understand this right (or care). I just want to understand why I am laughing at someone freaking out over nothing. Sometimes it makes it more funny.

The open game license is not about playing the game, it's about developing the game.
Someone who's enough of a fan of dnd to make their own stuff is going to want to do dnd stuff.
Unlike shit like star trek, this has been possible in dnd because of the old license, it basically made large parts of dnd free to use for your own products.
The result became a huge ecosystem of third party dnd derivatives.

If this new license goes trough - if big market places for rpg content adopts it and enough players are fine with it - making your own dnd can become very restrictive.

The old license can't actually be retracted, but if all the big market places adopt the new one and all the customers only hang around those places wtf are you going to do? Hawk your wares on your own website? Lol.

 

[Jaimas]

The nerds that know what they're doing will just go back as underground as we need to. We've done it before, we'll do it again.

This. The people running this shit clearly don't realize that the true beating heart and soul of D&D isn't Hasbro or WOTC. It's never been those two, and it's never been the people who run official D&D events. If it was, the RPGA would have been something other than a giant fucking excuse for every grognard to attend events at and take the piss out of people who take themselves entirely too seriously.

If it was, countless people wouldn't have stayed with D&D 3.X when 4th Edition changed too fucking much mechanically, and shit like Pathfinder and OSRIC wouldn't have happened.

The only people going to suffer for this are going to be people who created content for D&D, and, like this exact same fucking change did for Blizzard, it will kill any actual creative endeavors happening involving their settings. This OGL fuckery will last until the nanosecond a small-timer with enough spine calls WOTC and Hasbro on their bluff and drags their stupid asses into court, because both companies have already done this shit before multiple times with MTG, and gotten blown the fuck out for it. If they're stupid enough to try to claim they own the very concept of d20-based PNP RPGs because they own the name "d20 System," then it's going to be a repeat of them getting fucking glazed because you can't trademark basic game mechanics.

On the positive, this OGL nonsense will also be relentlessly used to troll both companies the same way:
"Hey, we created this new explicitly racist and fascist setting for D&D, WOTC owns it now."

 

[Mista House]

Is WOTC determined to destroy itself. MTG has been circling the drain as its become so thoroughly monetised and predatory that increasing normies arent bothering with it. DnD has been a meme for years from removing "races" to adding wheelchsirs but the essence of the game remained with OGL. The license changes will just fuel bad blood between fans and WOTC.

 

[Judge Dredd]

They're not going to be happy until they've scrubbed every shred of what's decent about nerd culture off the face of the Earth.

What did we do to get on the powers that be's shitlist so bad?

Three things.

1. Nerd stuff (aka "geek chic") was popular before social justice became the current thing.
2. Nerd stuff was making money hand over fist. eg. Games outperform movies. Superhero movies printing money.
3. Nerds didn't quietly roll over and capitulate in response to shaming language like every other sector of entertainment. This especially made them mad because they expected nerds to be push overs.

 

[I-chi]

Wasn't it already covered in the other thread that the baseline legal structure of this whole situation states that the original OGL cannot be revoked, only a new OGL can be created; and that it cannot re-contextualize its preceding license in order for anyone who isn't happy with the changes to just revert back to how things were? The only way WOTC cashes out is with the cucks who sign the OGL 1.1 or want to do anything for D&D One. MAYBE 5E, but who the fuck wants to develop anything for that anymore?

 

[Gar For Archer]

The open game license is not about playing the game, it's about developing the game.
Someone who's enough of a fan of dnd to make their own stuff is going to want to do dnd stuff.
Unlike shit like star trek, this has been possible in dnd because of the old license, it basically made large parts of dnd free to use for your own products.
The result became a huge ecosystem of third party dnd derivatives.

If this new license goes trough - if big market places for rpg content adopts it and enough players are fine with it - making your own dnd can become very restrictive.

The old license can't actually be retracted, but if all the big market places adopt the new one and all the customers only hang around those places wtf are you going to do? Hawk your wares on your own website? Lol.

Thing is, the new rules are so overtly hostile to creators that if the issue is forced, most small-timers would just quit outright. This isn’t even a virtue-signaling thing, it’s basic cost-benefit: why would you spend time, effort and money making content for D&D when WOTC can waltz in at any time and shut you down without even giving a reason, while stealing your hard work for themselves? For a lot of people who are doing this as a hobby/side gig in their free time, it’s simply not worth the trouble.

 

[NachoFebrile]

I’m reasonably new to the TTRPG scene so I’m sure I’ll be BTFO by the old heads for this hot take
I don’t care
DnD is the first step of the ladder. People who care about or feel strongly about these changes will migrate to a different game. That’ll give fuel to the fire for many indie RPG developers and allow them to keep making great new content. It’ll also open up a space in fantasy adventure RPG for another come in and surpass DnD. People who don’t know or don’t care will eventually get bored with DnD and move onto the next thing. Wizards will go under and we’ll all move on with our lives

 

[Terrifik]

Wasn't it already covered in the other thread that the baseline legal structure of this whole situation states that the original OGL cannot be revoked, only a new OGL can be created; and that it cannot re-contextualize its preceding license in order for anyone who isn't happy with the changes to just revert back to how things were?

Wizard putting their lawyers on this point that they have the power to modify & delete the OGL because the language used on it is loose enough. Most people agree that this is a court issue.

The only way WOTC cashes out is with the cucks who sign the OGL 1.1 or want to do anything for D&D One. MAYBE 5E, but who the fuck wants to develop anything for that anymore?

Correct, on the cuck thing & most people, are saying if you update your current work when the new ogl comes into effect you are moved from the original OGL to OGL 1.1.

Other people Suspect but have not fully confirmed that Wizards has their own virtual Table top (yes, after TTSimulator & Roll20 has theirs own) for DNDone. Suspect some deal is made with the main virtual Tabletop for DNDone.

 

[WhatIsThePunchline]

Thing is, the new rules are so overtly hostile to creators that if the issue is forced, most small-timers would just quit outright. This isn’t even a virtue-signaling thing, it’s basic cost-benefit: why would you spend time, effort and money making content for D&D when WOTC can waltz in at any time and shut you down without even giving a reason, while stealing your hard work for themselves? For a lot of people who are doing this as a hobby/side gig in their free time, it’s simply not worth the trouble.

Because it's going to be selectively enforced.

Play nice, be woke, don't ruffle feathers, pay your tribute, know your fucking place.

You'll get to make money.

Same as with youtube, patreon, paypal, twitch what have you.

As long as all you're doing is pushing corporate approved consumerism companies will be happy to wait fucking you over.

Look at critical role. They're not extremely woke, but they're not extremely anything. They bend over to be as inoffensive and harmless as possible. They do a lot of other things to, but Patreon isn't going to ban them and youtube isn't going to strangle their channel and companies won't pull sponsorship from them. So they get to make millions.

And people absolutely will go along with it. Games Workshop fucked up a bunch of content creators when launching their streaming service. That streaming service is making them a river of money because warhammer fans were happy to sign up for it.

If a major market place like DriveThruRpg doesn't ban or restrict the old license I could see this not working. But it'll absolutely be the case for their DnDOne platform, and I could easily see players signing up to it just because 'it's what you're supposed to do now'.