One Piece - I'm Gonna Be the Pirate King!

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My issue with Harald is that he’s just a total retard. Like at some point he had to ignore Saul’s warnings that the World Government put a hit out on a child he rescued and that they are still zealously pursuing her. There’s admitting you are wrong and then there is immediately thrusting responsibility onto others because you have so utterly failed. Harald is just unsympathetic. Ida dried of an ultra dry vagina due to him becoming such a cuck.
 
Tetragrammaton said:
it sounds to me like joyboy got tricked with how everyone we meet that knows him seems to want to apologize including joyboy himself leaving that note to fishman island apologizing as well. but as far as haki. joyboy was clearly a haki god that much is for sure but he did have the nika fruit since thats how zunesha and emet were able to recognize luffy as joyboy.
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what makes you think he got tricked? I think joyboy just kinda lost with him having the pegleg robo arm and knowing he'd need to leave the knot.
 
If GLR's discussion of originally skipping Wano was correct then I just can't imagine Loki actually sticking with the crew. Like, he's from a throwaway arc, you don't get him if his whole plot point is about an island that we don't actually see. Either that or Elbaf was supposed to fall off-screen and his dream was supposed to be freeing the now possessed giants. It feels relatively clear that the God Valley stuff was mashed in from somewhere else to tell backstory, anyway. Like this flashback is supposed to be Loki telling his backstory to the New Giant Pirates so they will let him fight with them but how does he know any of the GV stuff?

Honestly, I know diehard fans really wanted to know about GV and past pirate crews and all but I'd rather have gotten straight on with Loki's direct past and then went on with the straw hats in the present.
 
HodgePodgeRogerDodger said:
@Disc

My issue with Harald is that he’s just a total retard. Like at some point he had to ignore Saul’s warnings that the World Government put a hit out on a child he rescued and that they are still zealously pursuing her. There’s admitting you are wrong and then there is immediately thrusting responsibility onto others because you have so utterly failed. Harald is just unsympathetic. Ida dried of an ultra dry vagina due to him becoming such a cuck.
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The thing is, that is assuming that conversation took place. It's not unreasonable to assume that Saul downplayed his status as a fugitive or tried to avoid meeting Harald directly because of his status as a traitor to the marines. Harald got the Shallows Covenant 24 years ago; ohara was 22, and Saul's requisition to build a school 20. Harald was already in deep by the time Saul was a part of elbaph, and with the latter's trips to ohara, there might not have been many chances to meet.

It also could very well be that Saul feared speaking out too openly against Harald's plans would put a target on his back, even unintentionally; and don't forget what he was doing with Harald's clemency was the same 'crime' that got a buster call sent to Ohara. It's a bit hypocritical to warn harald about how allying with the WG is a bad idea when Saul's actions could very well provoke an even worse response. Saul had lots of good reasons to keep his head down.

Regardless, my point is that while there are many things you can fault harald for, his actions on his final return to Elbaph are him trying his best to make sure that A: he's the only one hoisted by his own petard and B: that elbaph doesn't make the same mistakes twice. It's him reaching a moment of clarity in the depths of his despair, ironically as he's about to lose his mind for good. The fact that Loki has to deal with killing his father is a consequence of past actions, but at the end of the day, framing it like Harald's a bad parent for calling the one person that could stop him from ruining every good outcome from his literal life's work and enslaving his people is getting too lost in the sauce.
 
Harald is a deliberately flawed character that is set dressing for the non-flashback characters to have their own moments. You're not supposed to be jumping up and declaring him to be your favorite one, that's not his role in the story. You might as well be complaining that you found Loki's mother annoying. Like, yeah? You're supposed to.
 
cool4thcat said:
what makes you think he got tricked? I think joyboy just kinda lost with him having the pegleg robo arm and knowing he'd need to leave the knot.
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imu seems to do nothing but lie to people in order to maintain power. so i would not be surprised if he was originally friendly with joyboy only to betray him later. think of it like blackbeard being in whitebeards crew only to kill thatch and take his devil fruit.

as far as leaving the knot i think joyboy was the absolute haki god and so every haki ability was amplified for him. which means he most likely had future sight telling him what was going to happen early enough that he was able to go to fishman island and write his apology on the poneglyph and give emet the knot and i am assuming also leave something at laugh tale for luffy.

almost like how vegapunk learned he was going to die thanks to york betraying him so he went and recorded that video that would trigger upon his death only to then erase his memory to make sure things would go as he predicted.
 
I'll make my prediction for what happens next. after the battle Loki hides the truth of what Harald said in order to protect his father's legacy and all the progress he made towards improving life on Elbaf. Jarul will either go along with it or is literally too retarded from the sword to know what's going on. Which makes me think there is an actual chance the arc ends with luffy yanking that sword out of his head and him instantly remembering everything and explains it to the villagers.
 
TerminalTryHard said:
I'll make my prediction for what happens next. after the battle Loki hides the truth of what Harald said in order to protect his father's legacy and all the progress he made towards improving life on Elbaf. Jarul will either go along with it or is literally too retarded from the sword to know what's going on. Which makes me think there is an actual chance the arc ends with luffy yanking that sword out of his head and him instantly remembering everything and explains it to the villagers.
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If Gum Gum Dawn Excalibur (yes I know it was the other sword, but people don't know that so Oda will use the normal one) happens it will be one of the most hilarious things that Luffy has done in Gear 5

imu seems to do nothing but lie to people in order to maintain power.
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The Literal first choice of everything Imu does is lie, he even had people lie about Gol D. Roger's name and called him Gold Roger.
 
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TerminalTryHard said:
I'll make my prediction for what happens next. after the battle Loki hides the truth of what Harald said in order to protect his father's legacy and all the progress he made towards improving life on Elbaf. Jarul will either go along with it or is literally too retarded from the sword to know what's going on. Which makes me think there is an actual chance the arc ends with luffy yanking that sword out of his head and him instantly remembering everything and explains it to the villagers.
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It does make sense for the only witnesses left to lie, doesn't it. Is the scruffy snail Jarul then? I didn't notice at the time but its face was overly hairy and Jarul has a giant beard. My solution to Jarul's head issue is Gear 5. Luffy turns into a cartoon and so does everything he interacts with, including living beings like Kaido. It would be very Looney Tunes to just pull a sword out of someone's head without them immediately bleeding out. I really do feel like we are two or three chapters away from the end of the flashback and, honestly, thank goodness. I really do think this was the longest straight flashback we've ever got aside from, maybe, Franky and Kozuke. It hasn't been awful but I really do want to see the straw hats, I don't find Rocks' crew compelling.

I get the feeling that this might become a loser arc. I mean we're actively fighting Imu. This is like a Water 7 thing, for narrative purposes we can't actually win the fight clean. So my proposal is the world government gets a bunch of giant warriors and Gabban "dies." The kids survive though and Lilith takes over that lab. Loki's devil fruit, which we should see him eat in the next chapter or two, gives him some sort of power that allows him to travel on the Sunny and interact in future arcs without being a massive art distraction.
 
whatever I feel like said:
It does make sense for the only witnesses left to lie, doesn't it. Is the scruffy snail Jarul then? I didn't notice at the time but its face was overly hairy and Jarul has a giant beard. My solution to Jarul's head issue is Gear 5. Luffy turns into a cartoon and so does everything he interacts with, including living beings like Kaido. It would be very Looney Tunes to just pull a sword out of someone's head without them immediately bleeding out. I really do feel like we are two or three chapters away from the end of the flashback and, honestly, thank goodness. I really do think this was the longest straight flashback we've ever got aside from, maybe, Franky and Kozuke. It hasn't been awful but I really do want to see the straw hats, I don't find Rocks' crew compelling.

I get the feeling that this might become a loser arc. I mean we're actively fighting Imu. This is like a Water 7 thing, for narrative purposes we can't actually win the fight clean. So my proposal is the world government gets a bunch of giant warriors and Gabban "dies." The kids survive though and Lilith takes over that lab. Loki's devil fruit, which we should see him eat in the next chapter or two, gives him some sort of power that allows him to travel on the Sunny and interact in future arcs without being a massive art distraction.
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A running theory is that the scruffy snail is Shirahoshi.

This is partially a joke that doesn't translate: Loki calls the other person 'Mosa', a word meaning hairy.

Shirahoshi's actually been called that multiple times in the story, once by harald himself:
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Though the translation is pretty inconsistent:
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Disc said:
A running theory is that the scruffy snail is Shirahoshi.

This is partially a joke that doesn't translate: Loki calls the other person 'Mosa', a word meaning hairy.

Shirahoshi's actually been called that multiple times in the story, once by harald himself:
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Though the translation is pretty inconsistent:
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The joke there is that Neptune is hairy so people are assuming his daughter is hairy as well. Thats what I, a non-Japanese speaker, got out of it anyway. Denden-mushi don't work like that anyway, they take on the physical characteristics of the person they are replicating. Also they seem distance limited if not on the WG network, which Elbaf isn't. Double also, its technically not a denden mushi, its a giant version with a slightly different name.
 
whatever I feel like said:
The joke there is that Neptune is hairy so people are assuming his daughter is hairy as well. Thats what I, a non-Japanese speaker, got out of it anyway. Denden-mushi don't work like that anyway, they take on the physical characteristics of the person they are replicating. Also they seem distance limited if not on the WG network, which Elbaf isn't. Double also, its technically not a denden mushi, its a giant version with a slightly different name.
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  1. The point is that Shirahoshi has specifically been referred to as 'Mosa-Mosa' multiple times, including by Loki's own father no less, and there's talk of setting her up with Loki. It would not be surprising if there was some form of contact.
  2. Her personality is also a match. Mosa is traumatised by a past event, but still seems quite kind, which Loki calls weakness. This matches extremely well with Shirahoshi, who was also called a weakling by luffy himself.
  3. Loki also mentions punishing a 'group' of people. This could be the new fish-man pirates, along with Vander Decken.
  4. You say that Den den mushi take on the physical characteristics of the people they're transmitting, and they do but we don't know how much of this model's face changes, or what it's face looks like by default. The den den mushi has notable eyelashes during the calls, which could suggest Mosa is female. It also has a lot of hair all over, but that might just be it's fluffy pelt as a snow model, and we have no idea whether it always looks like that, or if the pelt interacts with the disguises (it may be that a snow denden will have a distinct beard seperate from it's pelt if it's translating a bearded character). At this point, though, we have no baseline to compare to for the snail's appearance.
  5. It's also worth pointing out, a potential pairing or relationship with Loki might just be why Shirahoshi is an abnormally large mermaid.
  6. And like i said last chapter, it'd explain why loki was smitten with Lola if he was aware of her similarities to Shirahoshi's appearance. It'd also explain why Lola wasn't interested, because he was ultimately using her as a surrogate for someone else.
 
So Ragnir is actually A squirrel, huh? Presumably that means the hammer 'ate' the Squirrel Fruit.

It's almost certainly a reference to Ratatoskr (may even be a Model Ratatoskr). Ratatoskr is a squirrel said to climb up and down the World Tree, relaying messages between the eagles at the top... and nidhogg at the bottom.

Which has basically convinced me that Loki's fruit is the Snake-Snake Model Nidhogg. It'd fit with his location, his claims of destroying the world, just about everything.
 
Yeah, for anyone paying attention, Mosa is obviously Shirahoshi. There have been a ton of subtle and not-so-subtle clues throughout this flashback, and even wierd focuses on Fishman Island in particular of all places.
 
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