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What exactly are they marketing?
Their operating system to both new users to use it, potential volunteers to contribute to it, and existing users to keep them in the loop of what is happening. They also market developer conferences such as DebConf.
If they can't be known through merit, then they are not valuable IMO.
And how will consumers learn the merits of the product? Figuring out how to get consumers to learn the merits of a product is marketing.
 
And how will consumers learn the merits of the product?
Word of mouth... or a keyboard. Never have I ever looked at social media of a distro when deciding whether I should use it or not. I talk to friends, look at forums, read the distros wiki (if it has one, if not - big downside), maybe ask in an irc channel if I'm unsure about something. Until this "drama" I didn't even know that debian had a twitter account, and I can't really imagine any of the distros I use or recommend to anyone have one - now I'll have to check lol.
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Damn, the only one without a twitter account is arch. I'd have expected better from at least OpenBSD (:_(
 
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Word of mouth... or a keyboard. Never have I ever looked at social media of a distro when deciding whether I should use it or not. I talk to friends, look at forums, read the distros wiki (if it has one, if not - big downside), maybe ask in an irc channel if I'm unsure about something. Until this "drama" I didn't even know that debian had a twitter account, and I can't really imagine any of the distros I use or recommend to anyone have one - now I'll have to check lol.
5/6
Damn, the only one without a twitter account is arch. I'd have expected better from at least OpenBSD (:_(
By maintaining a presence you're staying aware that it exists and keeps being developed. The more you hear about it the more it builds a perception of it being a "major" distro. Surely you don't think that Coca-Cola ads are there to make you buy a bottle right there and then when you see them? Word of mouth is inefficient, unreliable, and unpredictable, and simply not an option to be your main marketing effort.
 
By maintaining a presence you're staying aware that it exists and keeps being developed. The more you hear about it the more it builds a perception of it being a "major" distro. Surely you don't think that Coca-Cola ads are there to make you buy a bottle right there and then when you see them? Word of mouth is inefficient, unreliable, and unpredictable, and simply not an option to be your main marketing effort.
Twitter talk is cheap, I'd rather see them spend the effort improving the project in a more meaningful way. If anything, Twitter presence pulls in lower quality people to the community.
 
Arch, BTW, said to Debian, "Hold my beer." 🍺
I saw this comment on this video:
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Can anyone confirm or disconfirm? If this is true, then this is almost a non-story.
 
This might be of interest to the thread. There's a chuddy indie Irish journal called MEON ( Worldly Disposition/ Noble Mind in Irish ) about how aspiring Techbro Paddy Cosgrave tried to create a home-grown tech scene in Dublin City taking advantage of the MNCs coming there for cheap corpo taxes with the "Web Summit" in 2009 and FUCKING IT ALL UP and getting forced out his own organisation by paid shills of said Multi-national corps because he was a leftie retard from Trinity lol. Now the Web Summit is just another paid mouthpiece platform for rootless corporations to conspire about how many trannies they can plant to stifle their wagies.
The Tragedy of Paddy Cosgrave: What the Web Summit Saga Tells Us About Irish Capitalism / https://ghostarchive.org/archive/odVTw
From the failure of millennial leftism in the 2010s to the ideological stuntedness of tech bros today, what does the Web Summit debacle tell us about Irish capitalism?
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Article text for those lazy:
“The worst about the Irish is that they become corruptible as soon as they stop being peasants and turn bourgeois.” — Frederick Engels
More than the common man will ever realise, writing about contemporaneous matters in Ireland is a gnarly business, not least when dealing with the personal minefield of the Web Summit story.
History is a leading genre in Ireland over political commentary for a reason, where a stray sentence or a piece of legally dubious prose can be enough to land an author in a world of judicial hurt.
Running this gauntlet and capturing, not so much the story of one man and his company, but the very zeitgeist of post-Crash Irish capitalism, Catherine Sanz's (of the Business Post) 313-page study ‘Drama Drives Interest: The Web Summit Story’ made it onto bookshelves shortly before Christmas.
Born from downturn-era TCD student politics, before catching lightening in a bottle as Ireland Inc. sought to rebuild itself from the ashes of the banking crash, “The Web Summit Story” gathers accounts within the Paddy Cosgrave axis pertaining to what went right and wrong in the Silicon Valley fellowship that sought to remake Ireland.
From its germination in the Georgian Houses around the Irish tech scene as a spirited spinoff of the digital democracy initiatives of the early 2010s, the story chronicles the transformation of the Summit into becoming the leading interface between Dublin and Big Tech
Very much a middle-class product of the comprador class he now rails against, Cosgrave built his initial social network during his TCD years, ironically earning a reputation for stances against PC culture through his involvement with the irreverent Piranha magazine.
Set at a time when the two-tier contrast between foreign multinationals and a charred-out national economy was cemented, an era wherein our brand of capitalism transitioned from mohair-wearing kingpins to Silicon Valley apparatchiks, the Web Summit perfectly embodied this changing of the guard.
Indeed, I first encountered Cosgrave at a speaking engagement at Trinity, when the tech founder decried the preferential treatment of U.S. firms by Irish developmental authorities, decrying the imbalanced economy which an FDI-reliant economic approach was pre-disposed to engender.
In many respects, the book documents Cosgrave’s failed ideological development from his irreverent libertarian days at Trinity to his gradual embrace of a self-obsessed brand of millennial leftism, culminating in his resignation from the Web Summit for his imprudent tweets during the October 7th attacks.
Until his endorsement of Mary Lou circa 2020, Cosgrave was something of an ideologically opaque figure, earning fire for a backtracked decision to invite Marine Le Pen to the conference in 2018.
Absent the cultural hegemony of the 2010s, one wonders whether his political odyssey would have differed. Would a more ideologically coherent Cosgrave, or one that was formally associated with the political right, have dropped the ball so greatly?
The book delves into (so far as it can be legally documented) the breakdown of Cosgrave’s working relationship with Summit co-founders Daire Hickey and David Kelly, as well as the abject failure of the man himself to manage a pivot to Qatar following the controversial relocation to Lisbon.
This spiral culminates with threats from Cosgrave to expose “Kompromat” on one of his rivals, with the book hammering home the fundamental immaturity and borderline narcissism of the tech bro in managing his corporate house.
At a time when tech bros are posing certain challenges to the populist and nationalist right, the Cosgrave biography hits home the lack of moral formation many in that scene have undergone relative to the fortunes and influences they possess.
Mock George Soros all you want, but the Hungarian financier was able to frame the post-Soviet era in his image through his subterranean civil society networks and will continue to do so long after his heart stops beating.
Can the same be said of Elon Musk's Edglelord conservatism or Cosgrave's puerile online leftism that lasted a total of ten hours when confronted with a coherent lobby following his commentary on October 7th?
Would Andrew Carnegie or Ford have wasted their days on Twitter if alive today instead of forming the foundations that have directed the Western World below the surface?
Indeed, the replacement of Cosgrave by the American Katherine Maher, who was parachuted in to run the conferencing company, shows the limited extent to which Irish tech bros can ever truly manage projects at scale.
Web Summit grew too feisty and lucrative for Ireland’s white-collar class, eventually ending up on the radar of the American ruling elite, which was more than able to cast Cosgrave aside in the space of a few hours when required.
At the time of commencing this review, I happened upon a Fintan O'Toole mini-documentary on the life and times of the late media mogul and philanthropist Joe O'Reilly — it is illuminating to contrasts his life with Cosgrave’s foray.
A creature of the semi-state era and its gradual liberalisation, O'Reilly, for all his faults, had all the benefits of earning his money slowly through meticulous graft and wooing of domestic political elites via his hold over the Irish media ecosystem.
Cosgrave, by comparison, comes across as a more transient pump-and-dump figure, unable to play politics at home or abroad, and one terminally prone to be a slave of his Twitter narcissism.
Akin to Chuck Feeney and Michael Smurfit, O’Reilly sought a fundamental change in Ireland through philanthropic work. Cosgrave’s social impact has been so limited to his funding of the muckraking ‘On The Ditch’.
One gets the strong impression that the full story of Catherine Sanz's 313-page study about the rise and fall of former Silicon Valley golden boy, Paddy Cosgrave, will forever remain legally embargoed courtesy of Irish defamation law — we are all the poorer for it.
However, one thing is for certain: Ireland in the 21st century is going to need a better class of upstart activist entrepreneurs to manage our relationship with Silicon Valley and one that spends a lot less time checking their notifications.
 
Does Bryan Lunduke even do any research? He's almost as bad as regular journoscum with getting basic facts wrong.
I don't think he's that retarded, so this is either a case of malicious omission or not giving a fuck and trying to push out a story as quickly as possible. Never trust a news summary Youtube channel, Lundukenpresse does its usual thing.
 
Does Bryan Lunduke even do any research? He's almost as bad as regular journoscum with getting basic facts wrong.
He's turned into The Quartering of tech videos. Under-researched talking head videos, posting 5 times a day.

I've been using Debian continuously since like '07. It's like 4chan's /b/: it's always been gay and retarded, it's just that occasionally you find diamonds in the sewage.
Debian autism around GPG keys is an amazing gatekeep, not only learn ingand understand GPG keys but then also meet another keyholder in-person to get it signed, and then use that key for voting and such. It's self-filtered for a certain kind of old school tech nerd that makes Debian so reliable.

Unfortunately that standard doesn't apply to their social media critters but whatever.
 
He's turned into The Quartering of tech videos. Under-researched talking head videos, posting 5 times a day.
It's almost like anyone who makes their public persona/griftsphere totally about being woke or anti-woke is a total retard. Or ends up one. I'm not sure I'd say he's as bad as the Hamburglar yet, though.
 
Does Bryan Lunduke even do any research? He's almost as bad as regular journoscum with getting basic facts wrong.
He is a nocoder tech journalist, a fact of which he is proud of and boasts of whenever he can in his bio. He has a patreon and a whole extended Lunduke cinematic universe (journal, youtube, podcast) for doing journo (derogatory) work that's doing pretty well. It's in his best interest to misrepresent things, to generate rage-bait content, and to act like a reactionary since that's what his audience wants and consistently brings him money.

Anyway, around the time when he released his video, he pinned this comment as well
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Anyway, around the time when he released his video, he pinned this comment as well
If he's going to make that argument then he should have led with it upfront rather than having to correct it in the comments. That demonstrates having done proper research BEFORE releasing a video.
 
Does Bryan Lunduke even do any research? He's almost as bad as regular journoscum with getting basic facts wrong.
I've said it before, he's the Tim Pool of tech journalism. It's sad because he had covered some stuff I hadn't heard of before, but lately he's shown he has no real due diligence.

Anyway, around the time when he released his video, he pinned this comment as well
I tried to see if there had been a response from any of the Arch teams/maintainers. All I could fine was a forum post, which has since been deleted. I put it in the Linux thread but will quote it here:
I tried to find any official Arch team responses. There was a post in the forums, but it's already been deleted:

https://archive.is/ROdYT
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