Diseased Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

[Nozo-miko]

Fandom Pulse made a coverage on this predator recently.

Jeremy Bicha - A Child Sexual Predator Built Your Desktop

The more media that report these facts, the better.

 

[Softdrinks]

User Jbicha suspended until jan 1 2050 5:00 am Reason :no longer an employee

You know for a fact they're gonna let this pedophile contribute under a different name or as a "contractor" or whatever they wanna call it and try to avoid responsibility since he isnt a employee of Canonical. They already had him do this talk as the individual and not as a employee of Canonical. This whole act like there's no problem thing only works for so long and its absolutely a blemish on Canonical for not background checking an employee. This shit is usually the FIRST thing that comes up when you do one and probably in big fucking lettering too. I'd keep checking on any other usernames bicha has and see if they start contributing to anything linux related soon

 

[Overly Serious]

I hope Lunduke or somebody had those IRC rooms open for the duration and just lurked and recorded. I'd be interested to know just how many people got kicked for saying something.

 

[verymuchawful]

Won't someone please think of the pedophile's feelings?

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

Conferences are just gatekeeping information that you could have posted online in a better wa

It's also a way to keep the current social clique for the project.

 

[ChudJack009]

first Ubuntu, now Debian... what the hell am i meant to run on my servers now? NetBSD???

 

[Markass the Worst]

It won't?
Admitting that a brave warrior who defaced XLibre's wiki is a fucking evil monster would be "letting chuds win" and this can NEVER happen. No meaningful news outlet will pick up on this story.

They can push a narrative that doesn't involve XLibre, Kiwi Farms or Lunduke at all. Passive voice like "We have been informed of his actions" or even better "A proud trans enby member of the LGBTQIA+ community brought this to our attention."

Nobody in the mainstream reads KF/Lunduke/XLibre and they already make sure anybody who even looks at those three is branded as an evil Nazi chud. This should be an easy win for them.

This whole act like there's no problem thing only works for so long and its absolutely a blemish on Canonical for not background checking an employee.

It's even worse. They did do a background check, he told them he was a convicted child predator and they hired him anyway.
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/open-source-software-community.38130/post-21946509

 

[FinallyRealEmail]

Some of chat preserved.

Spoiler

[11:25] <@DCschedule> Pre-dinner break in Elsewhere will start in 5 minutes https://debconf25.debconf.org/schedule/pre-dinner-break/
[11:25] <@DCschedule> Video Training in Méridienne will start in 5 minutes https://debconf25.debconf.org/schedule/video-training/
[11:25] <taffit_> PSA: An outside portable fridge has been set up outside so you can {safely,selfly} keep your beverages cold for tonight.
[11:26] <@tumbleweed> \o/
[11:26] <@tumbleweed> thank you fridge team
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[11:26] <@highvoltage> taffit_: send a pic for loopy
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[11:27] <taffit_> Please do remember, only non alcohlic beverages are allowed.
[11:27] <urbec> that fridege is not or cheese&wine?
[11:28] <@highvoltage> illogical.
[11:28] <taffit_> urbec: it will be recolded and reused mañana.
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[11:29] <urbec> arg that fridge is not for 18:17 -!- bootc [~bootc@parker.boo.tc] has joined #debconf-team
[11:29] <urbec> damn
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[11:29] <@bremner> heh
[11:29] <@bremner> no fridge for bootc
[11:29] <@olasd> poor bootc
[11:30] <@DCschedule> Video Training in Méridienne has just begun https://debconf25.debconf.org/schedule/video-training/
[11:30] <@DCschedule> Pre-dinner break in Elsewhere has just begun https://debconf25.debconf.org/schedule/pre-dinner-break/
[11:30] <@DCschedule> Dinner in somewhere will start in 30 minutes
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[11:33] <Joe_Go> I can't see the stream for the Debian 13 Gnome talk. Was it cancelled?
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[11:34] <andrewsh> petn-randall: so *are* you coming or not?
[11:35] <olly[mds]> Joe_Go: Apparently it wasn't streamed but will be posted later
[11:35] <olly[mds]> The talk did happen
[11:35] <olly[mds]> Oh kicked out
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[11:36] <debacle> wookey[mds], valhalla, coming back to Emacs vs vi, no, Jabber vs Matrix, there is an interesting article about resource usage, also mentioning Mastodon and Friendica: https://blog.windfluechter.net/2021/05/01/the-fediverse-what-about-ressources/
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[11:36] <peb> olly[mds]: you maybe missed the spam we got earlier
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[11:38] <olly[mds]> Ah
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[11:41] <seeS> debacle: seems like a fair comparison. I run both prosody and matrix and matrix is way hungrier. Mastodon was also huge so switched to hosted.
[11:43] <bremner> I _think_ there are some privacy implications to the matrix "blockchain" design, but I'd be happy to be informed otherwise.

 

[Nozo-miko]

<Joe_Go> Or should I just give up?
<DLange> The talk is over already Joe_Go and you got your answer from bremner
<Joe_Go> That came across too harsh. I meant as in come back later.
<Joe_Go> Oh. Thanks. I thought it was still ongoing.
<Joe_Go> Do I have the times wrong or did it end early?
<DLange> how long to you expect a 20min talk to be?
<Joe_Go> Well, 20mins. But I thought from the schedule it was going on longer. It's blocked in green for an hour.
<Joe_Go> Did you decide not to stream it in case anybody asked about Jeremy Bischa's convictions for child molestation or cut it short because of that or something? Really want to know about upcoming Gnome changes.
<DLange> I think you can /part here again, talks for the day are over
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* ansgar banea a *!*Joe_Go@43.225.189.*
* ansgar ha expulsado a Joe_Go de #debconf-grandamphi (Joe_Go)
<DLange> aww, ansgar, you spoilt my kick line
* atlief (~alex@89.234.160.186) se ha unido
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Instantly banned and kicked, they're doubling down in protecting his beloved rapist.

 

[Overly Serious]

You know for a fact they're gonna let this pedophile contribute under a different name or as a "contractor" or whatever they wanna call it and try to avoid responsibility since he isnt a employee of Canonical. They already had him do this talk as the individual and not as a employee of Canonical. This whole act like there's no problem thing only works for so long and its absolutely a blemish on Canonical for not background checking an employee. This shit is usually the FIRST thing that comes up when you do one and probably in fucking lettering too. I'd keep checking on any other usernames bicha has and see if they start contributing to anything linux related soon

According to an earlier Lunduke video they did do a background check and were aware, but the conviction wasn't for fraud or anything else they thought would affect their security / business, so it wasn't a blocker.

Charitably if I saw a line item for a sexual offence from someone when they were 14 I might assume it wasn't anywhere near as bad as his actually is. Largely because for a while now you've been able to get on the register for simply saying the wrong thing online or someone changing their mind the next week. Plus teenagers are dumb. I'm not saying I'd think nothing of it but I wouldn't immediately think sustained and repeated sexual violence to a six year old girl. It depends what it actually showed on the check. He was a minor when he got those convictions so maybe it's vague.

Now though? I'd have him out of my company before he could draw breath.

 

[break these cuffs]

This whole act like there's no problem thing only works for so long and its absolutely a blemish on Canonical for not background checking an employee.

I would bet $1,000 they background checked him, they just didn't think anyone else would.

 

[Markass the Worst]

Charitably if I saw a line item for a sexual offence from someone when they were 14 I might assume it wasn't anywhere near as bad as his actually is.

I don't know about you but if I saw that I would dig further and look at the court documents for myself. There's no reason to assume it's just "horny teens being dumb" or whatever.

 

[CrunkLord420]

You know for a fact they're gonna let this pedophile contribute under a different name

There's no reason Jeremy Bichas can't submit PR like the rest of us unwashed plebs. Well unless they ban him from the issue tracker, but that's fine, he can always send a PR via email.

Jeremy should absolutely not be professionally employed by any customer facing FOSS corporation, namely Canonical and Red Hat. He absolutely should not be allowed to physically attend any conferences or gathering. His ability to work inside an office is limited and a liability issue. For many jobs in the professional FOSS world, the inability to attend conferences means you cannot fulfill the requirements of the role. This is what it means to be a registered sex offender (esp. violent sexual acts like in Jeremy's case), people need to stop acting confused.

 

[AnOminous]

This whole act like there's no problem thing only works for so long and its absolutely a blemish on Canonical for not background checking an employee.

They did background check him, found out he was a sexually sadistic serial child rapist, and hired him anyway.

I don't know about you but if I saw that I would dig further and look at the court documents for myself. There's no reason to assume it's just "horny teens being dumb" or whatever.

It being anywhere on his record is a giant red flag considering he was 14 because almost any minor juvenile offense is going to go away and get expunged.

 

[Overly Serious]

https://xcancel.com/LundukeJournal/status/1944753045146902721#m

https://archive.ph/wip/mzpq2

I don't know about you but if I saw that I would dig further and look at the court documents for myself. There's no reason to assume it's just "horny teens being dumb" or whatever.

Granted. I would too. I was just being somewhat charitable in saying that my first instinct wouldn't be something as horrifically awful as what he did. Not to suggest that anything less wouldn't be also bad or worth investigating to check.

 

[Markass the Worst]

View attachment 7643139

https://xcancel.com/LundukeJournal/status/1944753045146902721#m

https://archive.ph/wip/mzpq2

Xcancel links can't be archived.
https://ghostarchive.org/archive/ny0K4

 

[Lard Shart]

They did background check him, found out he was a sexually sadistic serial child rapist, and hired him anyway.

That sounds strictly meritocratic, I thought those companies disavowed that years ago and began giving more opportunities to marginalized groups. Or, well, they count sex predators as marginalized...

 

[Overly Serious]

Xcancel links can't be archived.
https://ghostarchive.org/archive/ny0K4

Thank you. Will know for next time.

 

[Softdrinks]

According to an earlier Lunduke video they did do a background check and were aware, but the conviction wasn't for fraud or anything else they thought would affect their security / business, so it wasn't a blocker.

While it is true teenagers absolutely do dumb shit, if any employer saw that on any potential employees background check they should absolutely still look into what happened. Look at the court documents that are public and see what happened. The "what exactly happened" is what matters. some vague sexual offense absolutely should get employers to look up what the hell happened regardless if they did it when they were 14 or when they were 21.

They did background check him, found out he was a sexually sadistic serial child rapist, and hired him anyway.

Absolutely disgusting work, at least if Canonical wont do something about it, their sponsors and the court of public opinion will.

 

[Pluciferous]

And when the inevitable accusations of hypocrisy from the Progressives come in: "Oooooh, now you believe in cancel culture do you?" the reply is pretty easy: "Yes, because now it's about people who molest six year old girls not who have a different political view".

There’s no hypocrisy at all. The folks arguing against cancel culture have been consistently saying you shouldn’t punish people for mere accusations, but wait for a court of law to make a determination.

Bicha is a convicted sexual predator. Cancel him, and cancel him good.