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I prefer to laugh at all retards, esr and rms included. They're all special little snowflakes who deserve to be laughed at each for their own particularly retarded reasons.
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I don’t think you truly appreciate the level of retardation emanating from ESR. (If you’re 30 or younger, I forgive you.)
ESR wrote the following in August 2011, when Apple couldn’t make products fast enough for people to buy them and had a license to print money. Remember that the iPad was introduced in April 2010.
Steve Jobs resigned as CEO of Apple yesterday, handing the reins to designated successor Tim Cook. It could hardly happen at a more difficult juncture – for though Apple’s cash reserves and quarterly profits are eye-popping, the company faces serious challenges in the near future. Its strategic position rests on premises that are now in serious doubt, and it is on the wrong end of a serious example of what Clayton Christensen has called “disruption from below”.
Foremost among Apple’s problems is Android. 68% of the company’s profits come from its smartphone business, and another 21% from the iPad, leaving only 11% from other sources. But Android now has #1 market share both in the U.S. and worldwide, and is growing share and customers at twice the rate Apple is.
Until very recently, the best guess was that Apple and Android have been competing less against each other than for a gusher of dumbphone conversions so vast that both Apple and the Android army were production-limited. But I have been predicting since early 2011 that this would change in mid-3Q2011 – and the first signs of that change may be upon us now. WebOS is no more, Microsoft has arrested its slide, and after a tiny post-February bump Apple’s market share is flat again. There are several possible explanations for this, but one very likely one is that Android is now putting actual downward pressure on Apple’s market share.
Apple, and its fans, had promised the world that the moment in February that Apple went multicarrier would be when it began to regain ground against the upstart Android. As I also predicted for reasons very fundamental to the one-vs.-many competition of Apple against the Android army, this has completely failed to occur; Android’s sales are still growing faster than the overall smartphone market, and Apple’s are not. Tim Cook and Apple’s board cannot possibly be stupid enough to find this un-worrying.
For all Apple’s bravado and marketing flair, it now finds itself in a position where it is running second in sales and market share and playing technological catch-up with Android handsets that have 4G capability, faster processors, and more features. Not until October at the earliest will Apple have a product that can reply to where comparably-priced Android phones are positioned now – and in that approximately two-month time Androids won’t be standing still. The launch of the Nexus Prime could easily leave Apple as far behind on the technology curve as it is now, and with no realistic prospect of recovering for many months more.
Apple’s position in tablets is also weakening. One recent study finds Android-tablet shipments have climbed to 20% of market volume. This is a huge change from three months ago when they were statistical noise. Because Apple reports units sold rather than shipped, that 20% has to be discounted by the return rate on Android tablets – but the return rate would have to be ridiculously high (enough to make front-page technology-press news) in order to drive actual Android share down to a figure that shouldn’t worry Apple.
Indeed, the tablet market looks right now quite a bit like the smartphone market did in early 2010, with the upcoming release of Android Ice Cream (4.0) ready to supercharge Android tablet sales in much the same way 2.x did for Android smartphones then. Any Apple executive who isn’t nervous about this possibility is asleep and not earning his salary.
The feeding frenzy surrounding the HP TouchPad is another cause for worry. Nobody wanted them at HP’s SRP (which was, basically, pegged to Apple’s). But when the product was canned and dropped to $150 the stores couldn’t find enough to meet demand even given the unsupported software stack. This tells us something important: it tells us that the first Android tablet with hardware comparable to the TouchPad and a supported software stack that goes below $150 is going to meet even more frenzied demand. If Apple doesn’t get to that price-performance point sooner than Android, it’s going to bleed tablet market share like someone slashed an artery.
The second of Apple’s major problems is that by opening patent warfare on Android handset makers it may have started a legal battle it can’t win. It is, in effect, claiming to own the critical design elements of modern smartphones. But Google, after having acquired Motorola’s patent portfolio, may well be in a position to reply that it owns critical design elements of all cellphones, including Apple’s.
In retrospect, Apple may have sown dragon’s teeth when it sued to have sales of Samsung tablets in Germany blocked. Apple is now going to have much more trouble attacking Google for overreach if Google files for TROs on Apple’s entire smartphone and tablet line based on a Motorola blocking patent. This is no longer an implausible scenario – and even if it does not actually happen, the threat must constrain Apple’s behavior. At this point, the best outcome Apple can plausibly hope for is a patent truce with Google that takes IP threats off the table.
The third problem Apple now has is Jobs’s successor. Tim Cook is, by all accounts, a superb operations guy and has been a perfect complement to Steve Jobs’s vision-centered style of leadership. But there is no sign in Cook’s prior performance of his predecessor’s flair. He lacks Jobs’s hyperkinetic charisma, his ability to will an entire product category into existence and instantly persuade everyone it’s the next big thing.
Tim Cook’s style is very different; where Jobs obsessed about design and coolness, Cook’s history is of obsession with efficiency and execution – one cannot escape the sense that he is more interested in supply-chain management than in how the product looks and feels. And while Cook’s focus could be a valuable trait in a stable business environment, what Apple now faces is anything but that.
I’ve said before that I think Apple looks just like sustaining incumbents often do just before they undergo catastrophic disruption from below and their market share falls off a cliff. Google’s entire game plan has been aimed squarely at producing disruption from below, and with market share at 40% or above and Android’s brand looking extremely strong it is undeniable that they have executed on that plan extremely well. The near-term threat of an Apple market-share collapse to the 10% range or even lower is, in my judgment, quite significant – and comScore’s latest figures whisper that we may have reached a tipping point this month.
For Apple, the history of technology disruptions from below tells us that there is only one recovery path from this situation. Before the Android army cannibalizes Apple’s business, Apple must cannibalize its own business with a low-cost iPhone that can get down in the muck and compete with cheap Android phones on price. Likewise in tablets, though Apple might have six months’ more grace there.
Of course, this choice would mean that Apple has to take a massive hit to its margins. Which is the perennial problem in heading off a disruption from below before it happens; it is brutally difficult to convince your investors and your own executives that the record quarterlies won’t just keep coming, especially when your own marketing has been so persuasive about the specialness of the company and its leading position in the industry. This is a failure mode that, as Clayton Christensen has documented, routinely crashes large and well-run companies at the apparent peak of their success.
Does Tim Cook have the vision and the will to make this difficult transition happen? Nobody knows. But the odds are against it.
UPDATE: I originally set the threshold for making a killing on an Ice Cream tablet at $99, but it has been pointed out to me that the $150 TouchPads with more flash sold out just as fast. And also that the single most important discriminator in “good enough” is probably a decent capacitative (as opposed to resistive) touchscreen. The difference is significant because there is nearly enough room in $150 to cover the bill of materials on such a device now; by 4.0’s release date, it should be possible to make a profit at that price point.
Foremost among Apple’s problems is Android. 68% of the company’s profits come from its smartphone business, and another 21% from the iPad, leaving only 11% from other sources. But Android now has #1 market share both in the U.S. and worldwide, and is growing share and customers at twice the rate Apple is.
Until very recently, the best guess was that Apple and Android have been competing less against each other than for a gusher of dumbphone conversions so vast that both Apple and the Android army were production-limited. But I have been predicting since early 2011 that this would change in mid-3Q2011 – and the first signs of that change may be upon us now. WebOS is no more, Microsoft has arrested its slide, and after a tiny post-February bump Apple’s market share is flat again. There are several possible explanations for this, but one very likely one is that Android is now putting actual downward pressure on Apple’s market share.
Apple, and its fans, had promised the world that the moment in February that Apple went multicarrier would be when it began to regain ground against the upstart Android. As I also predicted for reasons very fundamental to the one-vs.-many competition of Apple against the Android army, this has completely failed to occur; Android’s sales are still growing faster than the overall smartphone market, and Apple’s are not. Tim Cook and Apple’s board cannot possibly be stupid enough to find this un-worrying.
For all Apple’s bravado and marketing flair, it now finds itself in a position where it is running second in sales and market share and playing technological catch-up with Android handsets that have 4G capability, faster processors, and more features. Not until October at the earliest will Apple have a product that can reply to where comparably-priced Android phones are positioned now – and in that approximately two-month time Androids won’t be standing still. The launch of the Nexus Prime could easily leave Apple as far behind on the technology curve as it is now, and with no realistic prospect of recovering for many months more.
Apple’s position in tablets is also weakening. One recent study finds Android-tablet shipments have climbed to 20% of market volume. This is a huge change from three months ago when they were statistical noise. Because Apple reports units sold rather than shipped, that 20% has to be discounted by the return rate on Android tablets – but the return rate would have to be ridiculously high (enough to make front-page technology-press news) in order to drive actual Android share down to a figure that shouldn’t worry Apple.
Indeed, the tablet market looks right now quite a bit like the smartphone market did in early 2010, with the upcoming release of Android Ice Cream (4.0) ready to supercharge Android tablet sales in much the same way 2.x did for Android smartphones then. Any Apple executive who isn’t nervous about this possibility is asleep and not earning his salary.
The feeding frenzy surrounding the HP TouchPad is another cause for worry. Nobody wanted them at HP’s SRP (which was, basically, pegged to Apple’s). But when the product was canned and dropped to $150 the stores couldn’t find enough to meet demand even given the unsupported software stack. This tells us something important: it tells us that the first Android tablet with hardware comparable to the TouchPad and a supported software stack that goes below $150 is going to meet even more frenzied demand. If Apple doesn’t get to that price-performance point sooner than Android, it’s going to bleed tablet market share like someone slashed an artery.
The second of Apple’s major problems is that by opening patent warfare on Android handset makers it may have started a legal battle it can’t win. It is, in effect, claiming to own the critical design elements of modern smartphones. But Google, after having acquired Motorola’s patent portfolio, may well be in a position to reply that it owns critical design elements of all cellphones, including Apple’s.
In retrospect, Apple may have sown dragon’s teeth when it sued to have sales of Samsung tablets in Germany blocked. Apple is now going to have much more trouble attacking Google for overreach if Google files for TROs on Apple’s entire smartphone and tablet line based on a Motorola blocking patent. This is no longer an implausible scenario – and even if it does not actually happen, the threat must constrain Apple’s behavior. At this point, the best outcome Apple can plausibly hope for is a patent truce with Google that takes IP threats off the table.
The third problem Apple now has is Jobs’s successor. Tim Cook is, by all accounts, a superb operations guy and has been a perfect complement to Steve Jobs’s vision-centered style of leadership. But there is no sign in Cook’s prior performance of his predecessor’s flair. He lacks Jobs’s hyperkinetic charisma, his ability to will an entire product category into existence and instantly persuade everyone it’s the next big thing.
Tim Cook’s style is very different; where Jobs obsessed about design and coolness, Cook’s history is of obsession with efficiency and execution – one cannot escape the sense that he is more interested in supply-chain management than in how the product looks and feels. And while Cook’s focus could be a valuable trait in a stable business environment, what Apple now faces is anything but that.
I’ve said before that I think Apple looks just like sustaining incumbents often do just before they undergo catastrophic disruption from below and their market share falls off a cliff. Google’s entire game plan has been aimed squarely at producing disruption from below, and with market share at 40% or above and Android’s brand looking extremely strong it is undeniable that they have executed on that plan extremely well. The near-term threat of an Apple market-share collapse to the 10% range or even lower is, in my judgment, quite significant – and comScore’s latest figures whisper that we may have reached a tipping point this month.
For Apple, the history of technology disruptions from below tells us that there is only one recovery path from this situation. Before the Android army cannibalizes Apple’s business, Apple must cannibalize its own business with a low-cost iPhone that can get down in the muck and compete with cheap Android phones on price. Likewise in tablets, though Apple might have six months’ more grace there.
Of course, this choice would mean that Apple has to take a massive hit to its margins. Which is the perennial problem in heading off a disruption from below before it happens; it is brutally difficult to convince your investors and your own executives that the record quarterlies won’t just keep coming, especially when your own marketing has been so persuasive about the specialness of the company and its leading position in the industry. This is a failure mode that, as Clayton Christensen has documented, routinely crashes large and well-run companies at the apparent peak of their success.
Does Tim Cook have the vision and the will to make this difficult transition happen? Nobody knows. But the odds are against it.
UPDATE: I originally set the threshold for making a killing on an Ice Cream tablet at $99, but it has been pointed out to me that the $150 TouchPads with more flash sold out just as fast. And also that the single most important discriminator in “good enough” is probably a decent capacitative (as opposed to resistive) touchscreen. The difference is significant because there is nearly enough room in $150 to cover the bill of materials on such a device now; by 4.0’s release date, it should be possible to make a profit at that price point.
ESR seriously thought that if Apple didn’t cannibalize its own products with a cheap-ass iPhone in 2011, that they’d suffer “catastrophic disruption from below” and suffer a “routine crash”. In reality, Apple achieved the biggest success in the history of capitalism, and no one remembers the names of any Android phones or tablets released in 2011.
The only thing ESR has achieved is sounding dumber than the folks in 2006 claiming there’s no housing bubble.
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Newcomers should just use Mint, which is Ubuntu unfucked. If you really want something Arch based that comes preconfigured like any sane distro and is well maintained, use EndeavourOS.
Yep. The situation on Windows looks like this. You have:
-Win32 GUI's (the now exceedingly rare GOAT's)
-One of the many varieties of Microsoft's wheel reinventions, be it .NET or WinUI3 or the newest React cancer
-Electron ass cancer
-From-scratch UI frameworks
-Any Linux framework that's cross platform (GTK, Qt, KDE)
As for the latter, all KDE software on Windows uses the KDE framework, and if you want GTK examples, there's BleachBit and GTK. So basically, you have the Linux ass cancer, Jeetsoft ass cancer, and Win32, a remnant of the better times when Windows was written by white people that's still the best UI framework that exists.
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Or the Britbongs.
For some reason, Brits often compare how powerful retro computers were with Amigas. Like bro, the Sharp X68000 or the FM Towns is nowhere near an Amiga.
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"When we win, do not forget that these people want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it's funny."
Never forget.
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It's because they were similar custom pre-ibm-clone designs. I don't think that anyone's saying that the Amiga is more powerful than Sharp's offerings, it's just that Sharp cost about as much as a new car.
Probably because they're just generic incremental versions of a current product line - as is the current trend.
"Samsung Galaxy S2" doesn't really roll off the tongue.
Anyway, his comments about Tim Cook are interesting. He's simply a holding pattern CEO and his legacy is the Vision Pro.
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Well yeah, it was a 386/486 based computer.
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Tim Cook is a man who will be remembered for giving the market what it needed with the iPhone 6, the courage of the iPhone 7, the long standing design defects of several iPhones and macbooks, ruining smartphones forever with the iPhone X, the period of incremental upgrades that started with the iPhone X (although the innovation of prior iPhones is greatly exaggerated and the innovations of later iPhones is understated, the periods are not really that different), the disappointment of the iPhone 16 and the total failure of Apple Intelligence, but also the success of the new Macs.
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There's even a primitive WebServer written in ARexx on AMINet- or there was. I used it a couple of times to transfer files back and forth on my LAN.
People are misremembering, though, everything was a LIBRARY, not a port.
I seem to recall opening L:network.interface and binding to a TCP port, but shit, it's been 20+ years.
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It is surprising what Apple’s been doing with the next one. 17 seems to be feature packed for a standard model. I think iPhone Air is unnecessary.
Do dig that cosmic orange color.
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Apple's own advisors believed similarly to ESR, though. They released the 5C in 2013, which was a budget repackaging of the 2012 model 5, as a deliberate response to the hugely expanding Android market. It worked to draw people into the Apple ecosystem who might otherwise have opted for a mid-range Android phone. It was a program they continued, in various guises, up to the release of the XR in 2018, after which they resorted to simply dropping the price on the previous model with each new model released.
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yeah esr absolutely wasn't wrong about cheap-ass android phones being a huge market that would deprive apple of zillions of dollars if they didn't tap into it
he was wrong about average amerifats not continuously falling for apple products since one of apple's best strategies is to make their shitty computers be big brand-name luxury items
iirc iphones are most popular in anglophone first-world countries where people have tons of disposable income and a need to be popular by consooming luxury product, and they don't do quite as well in other places where the lower-price androids managed to saturate the markets and set everybody's habits and cultural expectations first. i could be completely wrong though
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Surely schmoogle is going to leave a way to sideload apps on basically every non-apple phone, right?
It'll be a developer option, right?
There's no way they would remove their only software advantage over Apple, right?
It'll be a developer option, right?
There's no way they would remove their only software advantage over Apple, right?
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i think they will but you will have to have a google account good saar and make sure to verify your entire large intestine with the pixel assprobe 3 xl by inserting it as deep as it can go (it's normal if there's a little blood, just keep going)
apple lets you sideload apps through xcode iirc so they could end up eventually being slightly better than google for mobile software freedom (i simultaneously feel intense disgust and apathetic "lmao figures" from typing this)
nobody can tell exactly how dumb and fascistic google is so it's not out of the question that they would fuck everybody like this
The only
idea I can spin out of this is that it might lead to more OS variants either out of the AOSP or from somewhere else (linux phone soon™). But onboarding manufacturers and creating broad device support is such a massive hurdle that we might never actually reach that point.I'm really just hoping that some EU judge tardwrangles the fuck out of Google and makes them reconsider somehow, but the monopoly lawsuit was my real last hope of them getting fucked over and the retarded judge ruined that. They're way too successful to actually get raped by apple, sideloading isn't a make or break deal for most normies outside of some fringe cases where the broke ones get freemusicspotify.apk from a youtube video and it works for 5 weeks before breaking.
The prospect of a dumb phone is looking better every day
I'm aware some older phones run pretty old versions of android too, so there might still be app functionality if you mess around a bit.
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What Google intends to do is not to remove "sideloading" (or to force you to use Google Play), but to force you to buy an Android developer account to sign applications so that they will work on phones. This requires a phone that is hardware locked (if you are using an alternative Android rom you will not be directly affected). Even if your phone is locked, just like on Macos, you will be able to locally sign applications so that they will work (although you might need a developer account, and perhaps a PC). If you are willing to do a little bit of work, it is very unlikely that your ability to install whatever software you want will be limited. To be clear, Google is using the excuse of "security" to copy Apple in forcing devs to buy accounts (increased revenue), but not in actually vetting any software (no increased security).
I'm pretty sure that, if you want to "sideload" on an iPhone in America, you must either jailbreak your phone, or sign up for a developer account (you are entitled to a "free" and very limited developer account if you own an Apple ID, which makes using the Altstore not worthwhile) and have a Mac so that you can install XCode (and I think the Altstore requires Altserver) on your Mac, so that you can sign iPhone apps with your developer account. With a free account, you can have up to 3 apps sideloaded at any one time, one of which must be the Altstore, and you must sign each of them at least once every 7 days, and you can have at most 10 formulas (or whatever they're called idr) at any one time. I think there's also a limit to how many apps you can signed to quickly install after uninstalling one of your apps, but idr. Iirc, signing apps requires your phone and Mac to be on the same wi-fi connection, or to use a wire to connect your phone and Mac.
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Just take the Hackberry CM5 + 20 year old nokia brick(s) pill and forget about the yiddish phone makers' tyranny.
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Ive always been skeptical of all of the "buy old stuff" pushes, because those are fundamentally in limited supply and out of production.
We gotta find ways to make good things out of modern stuff or to make this old stuff ourselves. It's a lot harder but much better longevity.
IE the old "Buy an old IBM thinkpad" is tenuous even today, imagine 20 years from now.
We gotta find ways to make good things out of modern stuff or to make this old stuff ourselves. It's a lot harder but much better longevity.
IE the old "Buy an old IBM thinkpad" is tenuous even today, imagine 20 years from now.
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How advanced are FPGAs? Could someone make an open source Pentium III level cpu somehow?