Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

[Subtle Foreshadowing]

JavaScript also does this. It's a clever trick; in a double, all integers can be represented up to about 52 bits. If you consider all integers in Lua or Javascript as 32 bit integers, you will be fine. Most integers in a real world program are small anyways.

Yeah. You usually won't be hitting that precision cap and modern FPUs aren't really taxing on the performance either.

The issue is that you can have rounding errors that you'll never even catch and one day you'll randomly get raped by it. Also you have INF and NAN that you have to deal with

 

[WielkiWapiesz2137]

JavaScript also does this.

JavaScript is also niggerware.

Floating point arithmetic is performance-wise close to integer arithmetic on modern hardware. I believe JITs will use actual integers under the hood too if they can verify it won't turn into a float. But you shouldn't write expensive code in Scheme or Lua, instead use C or assembly for that.

Bitwise arithmetic does have more uses than performance optimizations and any civilized language should allow you to write algorithms reliant on it without referring to something superior

What about it? They just work.

52 mantissa means that instead of being able to represent 256 bit value as 4 64 bit integers you will need 5 floats theoretically that is. As if you want to be able to handle multiplication in sensible manner you need 26bit buffer so in the end you will end up representing 256 value using 10 floats stored in hash table which is utterly niggerlicious. Try implementing MD5 or any hashing algorithm in LUA and you ill be quickly convinced of it's inadequacy.

 

[Least Concern]

Man, Lua is such a nice language. I shall sacrifice 20000 poojeets to Perun if means warding off the rusty trannies' touch.

Duck typing everywhere! The only non-scalar type is a "table" which is basically like a PHP "associative array" (where the keys can be strings as well as ints and which modern PHP devs generally avoid using in place of proper objects) but you're expected to use it for normal arrays too! Normal arrays with keys that start at 1 instead of 0 by the way! Blocks don't use curly braces so you end them with "end!" What the fuck is a "metatable?" Better figure it out if you want to do anything kind of OOP-adjacent because of course there's no actual inheritance, even though every time you use it it feels like you're hacking the language itself to make it do things it never wanted to do!

Gripes aside, I respect how Lua has made such a fast and small runtime, and I can give it the benefit fo the doubt that it's old enough that some of its design decisions are just a matter of it not yet being widely understood that certain things were just generally dumb and undesirable yet, like using anything other than curly braces for blocks. But if I were building something which needed to have an embedding scripting language, I'd try for something like Wren first. Still reasonably small and fast, but with a more familiar syntax and something approaching proper classes.

 

[The Noise]

On top of all the problems with Lua that people have mentioned, it has no unicode support. It's the only modern programming language I can think of where you have to treat strings like binary data. It only got a utf8 library around like 2015. Also yes 1-based arrays suck ass and are easily the worst part of the language. It has so many pain points for no reason.

I'd try for something like Wren first. Still reasonably small and fast, but with a more familiar syntax and something approaching proper classes.

Or Squirrel, or AngelScript. I hate how 95% of scripting langauges act like they have to have their own wacky quirk chungus syntax styles. C-like has and always will be the code style king.

 

[Lard Shart]

Bitwise arithmetic does have more uses than performance optimizations and any civilized language should allow you to write algorithms reliant on it without referring to something superior

You can write algorithms reliant on bitwise arithmetic in Lua and JavaScript, because.... they have bitwise operators. And they work just like regular integers.

52 mantissa means that instead of being able to represent 256 bit value as 4 64 bit integers you will need 5 floats theoretically that is. As if you want to be able to handle multiplication in sensible manner you need 26bit buffer so in the end you will end up representing 256 value using 10 floats stored in hash table which is utterly niggerlicious. Try implementing MD5 or any hashing algorithm in LUA and you ill be quickly convinced of it's inadequacy.

The only adequate languages to implement MD5 in are those that compile to native code, either AOT or JIT. One should defer to a "superior" and "adequate" language for those sorts of problems. Imagine a modern OS fully built in JavaScript, Lua, or Scheme. It would be damn slow!

 

[General Zoider]

You can write algorithms reliant on bitwise arithmetic in Lua and JavaScript, because.... they have bitwise operators. And they work just like regular integers.

The only adequate languages to implement MD5 in are those that compile to native code, either AOT or JIT. One should defer to a "superior" and "adequate" language for those sorts of problems. Imagine a modern OS fully built in JavaScript, Lua, or Scheme. It would be damn slow!

thats when you use something like luarocks to install a native library that can provide an md5 function.

 

[SFINAE]

All Things Linux, an Arch Linux Community spinoff Discord server for trannies too spergy for ALC, just had a tranny meltdown where staff members create a secret clique discord, fantasize about killing Kaizen (the tranny owner of the server), try to bring down the server's reputation, claim Kaizen misappropriated funds, and generally conspire to perform a troon-d'état. All of the people pictured in the document have been removed from staff and a statement was published. It's worth noting that this entire thing went down over the course of 4 days, starting on October 4 and staff being removed on October 8.

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ACHTUNG The following is a Google Docs link. Open it in a private window or use the archive (you can scroll the window right to see all the pictures). Trannies can see your Google account if you view it while logged in.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRDKdcxnk4TvXW9k7q-eWxWXYKWdmV6W-fALB-HFA6pST_2y7tIQE61MFZwSBEkOlunwM_jd4VG3Az_/pub

https://archive.is/66oZW

TL;DR:
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Update 7 months later: The entire Discord server is gone because of, you guessed it, allegations of grooming and pedophilia:




ACHTUNG Again, this is a Google Docs link so don't open it on a browser window with your Google log-in. Alternatively use the archive.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HOxNV_BNDCn3KzUrf_GuYrLXcXLTcTsn_d-8mU-TML0
https://archive.ph/CEZwW (Archive isn't fully working I hate that trannies keep using GDocs)

Additionally, all associated services such as ATL.wiki have been taken down. There are talks of Kaizen (the owner) running away with thousands in donations that was supposed to be used for infrastructure that is now completely gone.

 

[Least Concern]

On top of all the problems with Lua that people have mentioned, it has no unicode support. It's the only modern programming language I can think of where you have to treat strings like binary data. It only got a utf8 library around like 2015.

PHP strings are just bytearrays too. There are functions which let you easily manipulate them while respecting Unicode glyphs like mb_substr() (mb standing for "multi-byte") but you have to be aware that they exist and when they should be used instead of the standard substr(), so it's kind of a trap for newbies. PHP 6 was supposed to fix this, but it turned out to be such a massive project that they gave up and released PHP 7 with the same string handling instead. As much as I appreciate PHP for putting food on the table it is rather Windows-like in how it's forced to drag around a bunch of legacy cruft just so the whole web doesn't have to rewrite their projects.

Or Squirrel, or AngelScript. I hate how 95% of scripting langauges act like they have to have their own wacky quirk chungus syntax styles. C-like has and always will be the code style king.

I wasn't aware of those so I had a quick look. I think I like AngelScript best for its static explicit typing and const support. Too bad its web site is straight out of 2002.

The only adequate languages to implement MD5 in are those that compile to native code, either AOT or JIT. One should defer to a "superior" and "adequate" language for those sorts of problems. Imagine a modern OS fully built in JavaScript, Lua, or Scheme. It would be damn slow!

Remember back in the late '90s when Sun almost convinced the world that everything, including operating systems, should be written in Java? Granted it would have been faster than purely interpreted languages like the above but we still dodged a bullet there.

 

[General Zoider]

also in terms of embedding a scripting language I'd say go exotic and do something like python as seen here https://github.com/H-uru/Plasma

 

[Hannibalistique]

E2: Luckily we're spared this 6.81mb exe suddenly becoming a multi-GB behemoth because if developers can't embed it on consoles he gets in dead meat.

Fuck this gay timeline, last full-featured .exe I released was counted in kilobytes (without crinkler or anything funny like that).

Do people just cat random crap into their executables to pad them or wtf is going on?

Remember back in the late '90s when Sun almost convinced the world that everything, including operating systems, should be written in Java? Granted it would have been faster than purely interpreted languages like the above but we still dodged a bullet there.

Rust is the new Java, only slower, uglier and less secure (with built-in supply chain and trusting-trust attacks, and less memory safety, see cve-rs).

 

[306h4Ge5eJUJ]

Mom, the Programming Thread spergs are shitting up the Open Source thread again

 

[Coolio55]

What the fuck is a "metatable?" Better figure it out if you want to do anything kind of OOP-adjacent because of course there's no actual inheritance, even though every time you use it it feels like you're hacking the language itself to make it do things it never wanted to do!

Metatables shouldn't be hard to understand, they're simply a way for you to intercept default table operations with your own functions (Eg. accessors, mathmatical operators, weak references...)
It's a core feature and absolutely key to getting the most out of the language. For each table that needs it, you'll usually only touch like 20% of its metatable though.
Also, the lack of an object system is intentional - because OOP-adjacent is usually good enough and if you really want one, the language gives you the tools to set one up without much friction.

Do people just cat random crap into their executables to pad them or wtf is going on?

My uneducated guess is that it's template abuse but that's still only half the story. A debug Clang build somehow takes up around 90GB of disk space.
I have no idea what feats they pull off to make this happen; that's the size of about 2 high quality TV torrents.

 

[analrapist]

Mom, the Programming Thread spergs are shitting up the Open Source thread again

Inshallah, we shall revert them from their haraamlangs!

 

[skunt]

Additionally, all associated services such as ATL.wiki have been taken down. There are talks of Kaizen (the owner) running away with thousands in donations that was supposed to be used for infrastructure that is now completely gone.

i love reading stuff like this because it puts everything in perspective. a week ago the arch wiki removed xlibre from the wiki because of offensive terminology (bugmen in big tech!). today arch splinter discords are being taken down due to grooming allegations or possibly worse
just shows you what is and what isn't important in these circles. everyone is safer now that xlibre is gone, unless of course you happen to be a minor.
thanks arch!

 

[Ferryman]

I have no idea if this is the typical cadence with which conversations in the FSF IRC carry on, but peep this absolute grimstone log. I don't even know where to begin. I've tried to abridge it to the best of my abilities but I strongly encourage anyone willing to read through it for gems I might have missed. I am inclined to start camping their IRC because holy moly is it wack.

TLDR GEMMIES:

2026-04-26 01:37:23 gnubootuser so it's ok to use and promote a software that is free, even when you know the author is a pedophile or nazi or something
2026-04-26 01:43:37 gnubootuser are we now changing the subject then rather than discuss that the fsf intentionally lists a software program written by a known pedo??????
...
2026-04-26 01:46:15 Kolev jxself, in fact, didn't Hitler pave some roads in Germany?
2026-04-26 01:49:12 Kolev What would a pedophile program even do? Refuse to work for people over the age of 12?
...
2026-04-26 01:53:26 gnubootuser ok fsf then can use pedo software and i will eat all of the meat
...
2026-04-26 01:56:32 gnubootuser yes jxself we will accept pedos if they write free software
,,,
2026-04-26 01:58:15 gnubootuser you are telling me that you will ignore when a man fucks children sexually if he writes free software
...
2026-04-26 02:08:48 britney do you want to send users to a project that has a discord channel where they might get abused by the owner
2026-04-26 02:11:26 britney that discord has a pedo there grooming kids
2026-04-26 02:11:35 jxself They shouldn't use Discord because it's proprietary.
....
2026-04-26 02:19:55 gnubootuser meat eaters don't fuck kids
2026-04-26 02:20:59 britney i wont use xlibre because the author thinks winston churchill should be charged with war crimes for defending england from hitler
2026-04-26 02:24:08 gnubootuser you can find neo nazis on xlibre github issues and they say regularly the antisemetic dogma
2026-04-26 02:25:21 Kolev I'm Jewish and I use IBM software, and IBM provided infra to the Nazis during the Shoa.
.....
2026-04-26 02:26:24 gnubootuser i consider myself an ally to lgbt and jews though i am an old man myself
2026-04-26 02:27:08 Kolev But Wayland is pioneered by Red Hat, an IBM subsidiary. IBM participated in the Shoa.
2026-04-26 02:27:44 Kolev IBM supported the Nazis. IBM owns Red Hat. Red Hat pioneers Wayland. If you click on Wayland, you click with Nazis.
....
2026-04-26 02:29:53 Kolev gnubootuser, wow, so gay people are writing Nazi protocols into software, by your logic.
2026-04-26 02:30:04 gnubootuser yes they are gay nazis
....
2026-04-26 02:30:48 britney i just wouldn't send someone to a website with a known pedo
2026-04-26 02:30:49 Kolev I'm about to retire for bed. I hope everyone has a good night.
2026-04-26 02:31:04 gnubootuser sleep well comrade
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2026-04-26 02:34:31 cat9 If there are racist sexist nazi pedo xenophobes here, at least they arent causing a ruckus
2026-04-26 02:34:37 gnubootuser i should be klined for criticising the intentional defense, normalization and enablement of a known pedo?
2026-04-26 02:34:39 cat9 Same cannot be said for you
2026-04-26 02:35:13 cat9 No, you should be klined for babbling on about offtopic nonsense in the fsf channel
2026-04-26 02:35:27 cat9 Go elsewhere for your crusades, it doesnt belong here
2026-04-26 02:35:37 cat9 Clearly all you want to do is witchhunt
2026-04-26 02:36:14 Kolev I'm a gay furry vegan Jew, and I agree with cat9.
....
2026-04-26 02:36:40 gnubootuser i am criticizing that a leading member of gnu (Jason Self, GNU Advisory Committee) is directly acknowledging that a project the FSF promotes is maintained by a known pedophile, and defending said pedophile, yes.
...
2026-04-26 02:43:14 gnubootuser in america you have "free speech" for this reason, and then thugs will march the streets shouting "jews will not replace us", and the presidentt will directly address them in a debate for his reelection
2026-04-26 02:43:23 gnubootuser "proud boys, stand back and stand by" -- Donald Trump
2026-04-26 02:43:49 gnubootuser the leader of proud boys (a neo-nazi group) responded to this posting a photo of his guns, with the caption "standing by, sir"
2026-04-26 02:44:03 cat9 "I question gnus moral authority after todays discussion"
2026-04-26 02:44:07 cat9 Then leave, please leave
2026-04-26 02:44:09 gnubootuser then jan6 shit happens. krystalnacht america edition
2026-04-26 02:44:16 gnubootuser literally krystalnacht
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2026-04-26 03:15:10 cat9 You love to fill your mind with the image of nazis and holocaust and genocide
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2026-04-26 03:23:28 someoldguy Ariadne: pedo sympthasing in #fsf is what this is all about
2026-04-26 03:38:52 someoldguy drawing parallels to american politics normalizing fascism and comparing that to hitler, stating that the psychology enabling such evils is the same psychology jxself used to defend pcbox yes
....

And it goes on and on and on, but those are the best bits I could find, with some more context below.

Spoiler: TLD(id)R

Starts off fine, weird little debate about whether or not Rust is free because it has a Firefox-esque branding requirement when put to use, all's well in FSF-land. This goes on for a good long while until they happen upon something odd:

2026-04-26 01:31:50gnubootuseri read about a pc emulator being written by a pedo last year but i dont remember who
2026-04-26 01:31:52KolevSomeone else told me, however, that it's where the Alt key is nowadays.
2026-04-26 01:31:58gnubootuser86box sounds familiar however. can someone please confirm?
2026-04-26 01:32:22gnubootuserfsf should be careful what it has on the website

Odd. What ever could he mean? Last I checked, the FSF were not directly affiliated with DrewDeVault. Well, lets keep going:

2026-04-26 01:32:45 jxself If you don't like someone you can't use their free software?
2026-04-26 01:32:48 Kolev Lots of evil entities write good software that we use every day. Google, for example.
2026-04-26 01:33:07 jxself Yes, exactly.
2026-04-26 01:33:49 jxself There's no connection from using someone's software and liking or supporting or agreeing with the person behind it.
2026-04-26 01:34:04 jxself We could probably all find something to object to about every person.
2026-04-26 01:34:23 jxself And so now, we can't use anything...
2026-04-26 01:35:20 britney gnubootuser: PCBox had the pedo, thats why I said 86box
2026-04-26 01:35:49 gnubootuser it was leah from libreboot who exposed them and they even said they reported that person to the police
2026-04-26 01:36:03 gnubootuser but fuck leah, i hate what she did to gnu years ago
2026-04-26 01:36:19 gnubootuser still however maybe the fsf should NOT link such a project onn its wiki??
2026-04-26 01:36:32 jxself Miran Grča isn't vegan. Don't use 86Box.
2026-04-26 01:36:49 gnubootuser who?
2026-04-26 01:36:57 jxself The person that made 86Box.

Interesting! The alleged pedophile in question is Miran Grča / Obattler, the developer of the IBM PC emulation software 86box (git, site). A familiar face pops up as well, that of my good friend Leah Rowe (power word: Francis) to shed light on the matter. Looking up the guy currently maintaining the project returns nothing since the guy that @gnubootuser is referring to is almost certainly one Mellissa "Mooch" Goad (power word: Darius), a tranny pedophile who caught some friendly fire from my boy Francis on Mastodon (L. A.). Mooch is no stranger to the Farms either, he has his own thread, albeit a small and dead one since he may or may not have been fedfucked after Francis' police report. That's all the lore, the rest is them all being retarded. Wonder how many more green glistening gemeralds are hidden throughout IRC logs like this, seems the FSF is brimming with them.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

It looks like Brodie Robertson learned what anyone slightly right of center has known for years at this point. Because of the Odin being removed from wikipedia situation.

He goes over the arbitrary way the wikipedia fags arbitrarily apply their rules in order to get things removed when they want to. The fact that he thinks this is something they would ever change kind of shows that he has no idea how much of a problem it is. He doesn't know why they will never do anything to change it, because it's that way on purpose. If they aren't able to randomly decide X source isn't "reputable", or Y thing isn't notable, they couldn't completely silence certain facts that are inconvenient to them, that they are able to suppress currently because of the way they can selectively enforce certain rules.

 

[I AM UNDOUBTEDLY FIZZED8%]

It looks like Brodie Robertson learned what anyone slightly right of center has known for years at this point. Because of the Odin being removed from wikipedia situation.

He goes over the arbitrary way the wikipedia fags arbitrarily apply their rules in order to get things removed when they want to. The fact that he thinks this is something they would ever change kind of shows that he has no idea how much of a problem it is. He doesn't know why they will never do anything to change it, because it's that way on purpose. If they aren't able to randomly decide X source isn't "reputable", or Y thing isn't notable, they couldn't completely silence certain facts that are inconvenient to them, that they are able to suppress currently because of the way they can selectively enforce certain rules.

He's a whipped cuck of Drew Default on BlueSky/Mastodon so he's either in denial and pretends to not know what people like you are talking about, or he doesn't want to look into it more.

Like c'mon, this faggot is able to go deep enough to understand and give others a straight answer as to what goes on in FreeDesktop and other troonbased projects but whenever he discusses anything close to rightwing that the troons go after, most of the time, feels like CRICKETS in comparison.

 

[0gh]

Unless it becomes the rust of genz I doubt it will get anywhere.

You say that but I was surprised to hear that actual game studios are embedding it in their engines. They're even putting it in fucking SECOND LIFE.
I - for one - can't wait to play my part in constructing Skibidinet.

E: Just saw the post above, it's like a fucking checklist. Too bad Arseny Kapoulkine bounced but I don't blame him.
E2: Luckily we're spared this 6.81mb exe suddenly becoming a multi-GB behemoth because if developers can't embed it on consoles he gets in dead meat.

I thought you were joking, but it seems to actually be real as seen here https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Lua_Alpha as if secondlife couldn't get more complicated.

Are you all retarded?

Lua is the Rust of our generations already. MTA San Andreas server code was written in lua and this was what 2006?

whenever he discusses anything close to rightwing that the troons go after, most of the time, feels like CRICKETS in comparison.

Would you want to talk about trannies at your more or less job? Hide your powerlevel and focus on whataver it is you're doing. It's a tech/software/programming channel. I actually enjoy him because he doesn't go into the culture war bullshit.

Imo most of his takes are pretty reasonable, and he hasn't spoken against right wingers or randomly hated on people for the smallest reason. Even if he is a left winger and is "against our side" why would it matter as long as his videos have mostly nothing to do with politics? People can have differing opinions without being retarded.

When the hyprland situation happened he had Vaxry on his podcast instead of denouncing him, that makes him a good one in my books.

Some discord tidbits

He used hyprland

Kiwi mention(which one of you is the bee???)

He does seem to defend trannies at one point in 2023

The bee is still on the discord, so he's fine with a nazi chud right winger extremist being there. The deleted people might have still been on too. So he doesn't seem to be the retarded type of leftist.

 

[Hakase Shinonome]

>LEST THEY INCUR MY WRATH

LEST THEY INCUR MY SIDES, MORE LIKE. FUCKING HILARIOUS.

 

[Metamorpho]

>LEST THEY INCUR MY WRATH

LEST THEY INCUR MY SIDES, MORE LIKE. FUCKING HILARIOUS.

How xe felt after posting that: