And however woke and anti-racist Louis is, Daniel Micay is a thousand times worse, for attacking Cloudflare and complaining about how they "hosted" us and blocked some LGBTQ sites or whatever.
Yeah I agree, Daniel Micay is worse than Louis for trying help get this site shut-down during the drop kiwifarms stuff.
Did we watch the same video? This had nothing do with racism or anti-racism. And Louis is not a jew.
Wasn't trying to imply he was a jew, and yes calling him anti-racist just confuses things, was meant to edit that out.
I'd place the bigger blame on Daniel here since, according to Louis, he was the one who messaged him out of the blue and confronted him over a comment he made on a YouTube video years ago
Louis said in the video that he and Dan had already had prior lengthy correspondence and that based these past dealings with Dan, Louis took him to be a bit unhinged. So Louis would of had some idea what he was getting himself into.
Maybe Daniel was technically more at fault, but he was clearly dealing with shit and not coping well, personally I would of maybe looked for ways to cut him some slack.
I wish Louis had of not publicly weighed in on such a non-issue in the first place, especially when he admitted in his video he didn't know anything about the Techlore drama and that he already thought Dan was unhinged based on prior dealings.
Louis didn't have to publicly get involved in some not clear cut, he-said she-said bullshit, especially since he has such a massive following, 2 million subs, obviously this would create more unnecessary drama.
Louis will also profit from the content that came from him stirring up shit with Dan.
Not only that, but he threatened to publish all these accusations of Louis being complicit in attempted murder.
I don't think anyone would of taken seriously the accusation of Louis being complicit in an murder attempt on Dan, to me this seems like a exaggerated comment possibly made off the cuff by a sperg in stress-mode.
So yes, Louis threw his weight around by publishing a video first, but only because Daniel threatened to throw his weight around.
Well Daniel throwing his weight around was him saying he would ban Louis from his chat room, doesn't seem like such a big deal to me.
Also the absurd assertion that Louis is complicit in a murder attempt, which doesn't seem like a serious believable accusation that could of brought Louis undone.
Louis throwing his weight around was declaring Dan a untrustworthy lunatic in a scathing video to his 2 million followers.
Obviously this was going to be devastating for Dan and do a lot of damage to his professional reputation, at a time when he was already down bad.
Louis could of easily dealt with it in a more delicate and understanding way, but he handled it like an uncaring self-righteous faggot.
Louis first posted the video on his smaller channel and then at the behest of his fans re-posted it to his bigger channel, if Louis was just trying to defend against a potential perceived backlash from Dan, why would he need to post it to the much larger channel as well?
Louis comes off as passive aggressive in his video, dismissive of Dan's distress and concerns, and not very compassionate at all, Dan was clearly on the verge of a mental breakdown.
Why do you think Louis wanted to fuck with him? He's made several videos singing the praises of GrapheneOS and refuting misinformation, would someone who wants to fuck with him do that?
I'm saying that Daniel was clearly very vulnerable and not acting completely rational, and probably not in the best frame of mind to defend himself. So it was kinda like shooting a fish in a barrel for Louis to post a video on his channel followed by nearly 2 million calling Dan crazy. And calling someone crazy when they are stressing out and trying to cope in a shit situation is a very low blow.
Yes, he definitely could have not published the video. Do I blame him for doing that? Not at all.
Yeah, he could of easily handled it in a less damaging way though.
Louis's video came across as petty and passive aggressive, and publicly declaring that someone is not mentally sound and cant be trusted while they are obviously going through some serious shit seems like a very low-blow, especially with Louis having a such big influence, I don't think it was necessary, I don't think Louis was really in any danger from serious backlash, after all Dan's accusations of Louis being complicit in attempted murder seem ridiculous, and possibly made off the cuff, unlike byuu's threats, which were carefully thought out and made showing serious intent to carry them out. ie. the pic's of the rope and stuff.
I think the best comparison here is, like many people have brought up, the Byuuicide. When Byuu emailed Null and suicide-baited, Null didn't publish the emails immediately. What did he get in return? Byuu published his sob story first and sparked tons of outrage against the site, to the point that Dreamhost terminated his account. Being a gentleman saved Null nothing and he might as well have published the emails immediately so he could get his side of the story out there first before Byuu did.
Yeah I get what you're saying about Louis posting his side of the story first, but he could of done this in a way that didn't rip Daniel's credibility to shreds and declare him a raving lunatic and shit all over his project, it just seemed like absolute overkill. Louis also could of done it in a way where he wouldn't profit from another man's demise.
I think there is a difference with byuu demanding null remove a 15 page thread discussing byuu's public drama from Kiwifarms; a site dedicated to documenting online drama discussion.
If kiwifarms removed the byuu thread, it would of set a bad precedent for the site, damaging it, if Louis had of removed the comment it wouldn't of really done any damage to Louis's brand or rep, only his pride or ego, seems like a small price to pay, and he could of commented on the situation at a later date if he wanted too aswell.
And it wasnt exactly a ground breaking comment either, basically just saying Dan was an asshole.
According to Louis, this was the straw that broke the camel's back. But I certainly don't blame him for publishing the video since he just had some guy threaten to ban him from a Matrix room unless he deleted the comment he made on a YouTube video.
Dan banning him from his matrix room doesn't really seem like that big of a deal to me.
Louis making a scathing video to his massive loyal fan-base denouncing Dan as a crazy lunatic, who cant be trusted was obviously going to send him over the edge, I think that Louis could of easily swallowed his pride and handled the situation more delicately.
This all started from some he-said she said bullshit that Louis stuck his nose in and admitted he wasn't clear on, he could of just stayed out of it.
So I still think that Louis is a faggot for creating and escalating a bullshit pointless drama over nothing when there was no real need to, he could of easily and without damage to his own reputations de-escalated the situation.
Seems like Louis was more interested in publicly stomping out a talented sperg who was at a low point.
Plus Louis ended up benefiting from all this drama he started by putting it on his channel, profiting from Dan's misfortune.
So yeah fuck Louis.
Also Daniel's concerns of being harmed in a swatting attempt seem pretty valid to me, but Louis just glosses over them like it's all in Dan's head, or no big deal.
In the DM messages Louis dismisses Dan's claims of harassment and swatting as "not reality at all" but how does Louis know if this is true or not? That sounds like gas-lighting to me.
