Diseased Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

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This sounds suspiciously like going for low hanging fruit on the left, but there's so little detail its impossible to tell, and generally useless things on the right, without actually fixing problems people care about (never used godot so I only have a vague idea of what was disliked).
bugfixes in the roadmap too?
Only slightly less obvious than increasing the font size to fill more space.
 
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Non-updating is actually often fine. I'm pretty sure most people here don't even sandbox their browsers or other internet facing applications (if they have any). If you don't run a server with dozens/hundreds of strangers on it you don't know, the one (and often only) attack vector is the internet browser. Running code from servers all over the world will *never* be safe. By the time browsers stopped doing more than the most basic of text formatting and maybe displaying of images, they went off the script. Consider their complexity, too. They're basically their own OSes at this point. There's simply no way every single browser in existence doesn't have plenty of exploits at this very moment. I often considered just getting some cheap ARM SBC with Android on it as my "internet/multimedia machine" and do my personal omputing on a more isolated system. The problem is I'm too lazy right now and I have not seen an SBC with a version of Android that would please me.

That said, the kernel and some programs had some gnarly bugs in recent years. That might necessitate an update or two.

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Linus' reaction makes perfect sense and is honestly not surprising at all. The further east europe you go, the more russians are hated with a passion (with notable exceptions). This is something he grew up with and is ingrained in him. These people have good and well-funded reasons to hate russians, too. In some of these countries, russia doesn't manage to buy it's way into the government because no matter where politicians are on the political spectrum, a degree of russia hate is something they all agree on and anything else would not be mainstream compatible. In most recent history people still personally remember, a lot of these countries' populaces were robbed and abused by the soviet russians endlessly and you could make a fair argument that they've not recovered from it to this day. I personally knew a pole who spent a fair amount of time in prison in the old regime before he managed to flee to west germany. His only crime pretty much was to be a non-approved artist. Talk to the nicest, sweetest eastern european grandma about russians; chances are she will fly into a raging, scary tirade. It's a very fundamental fact of eastern european perspective russians love to ignore/downplay at every turn, behaving like that narcissist family member that self-inserts himself into everything nobody likes which he does not realize/understand. Somebody in some other thread said they'd rather trust a russian than a tech troon; It's fine to trust neither. When push comes to shove, they're both not your friends. I'll take my moai now for this utterly offtopic, political part of the post.
 
Somebody in some other thread said they'd rather trust a russian than a tech troon; It's fine to trust neither. When push comes to shove, they're both not your friends. I'll take my moai now for this utterly offtopic, political part of the post.
That was probably me but someone else might have also said it. In any event, I didn't say by much, and the Russian tech nerds are not the guys sending us nastygrams from Roskomnadzor or fining a company more rubles than there are atoms in the universe.
 
That was probably me but someone else might have also said it. In any event, I didn't say by much, and the Russian tech nerds are not the guys sending us nastygrams from Roskomnadzor or fining a company more rubles than there are atoms in the universe.

In general I think we should be against the idea of punishing people because of the actions of their government. That would have been like banning American contributors during the Iraq war because of Bush. Is there any evidence that Russian contributors have attempted to bring in malware or back doors into the kernel? I highly doubt it.
 
In general I think we should be against the idea of punishing people because of the actions of their government. That would have been like banning American contributors during the Iraq war because of Bush. Is there any evidence that Russian contributors have attempted to bring in malware or back doors into the kernel? I highly doubt it.
If you're contributing nonsense from a russky email, yeah, you're retarded. Get a normal email or fuck off.
 
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These guys will start squabbling over colour hex codes and UI and get nothing done in the end LMAO.:smug:
No actual users or developers, just faggots fucking around with the UI as if actual devs or users care about that shit.

It is like Amiga OS4 users. The only thing they can do is re-arrange their icon-sets and swap wallpapers and then they share screenshots of what their custom Workbench looks like.
Because they don;t actually use it for anything else.

Redot is the AmigaOS4 of game engines.
 
Russian tech nerds are not the guys sending us nastygrams from Roskomnadzor or fining a company more rubles than there are atoms in the universe
The problem is that you can't really know that. Even if a Russian contributor living in Russia has the purest of intentions and just wants to write good code, it's easy to imagine him getting either coerced into doing something or just straight up replaced. How would anyone seriously notice? Most people are just familiar with the terminally online lolcow FOSS people who whine 24/7 about trans rights in database software on twitter, but by far not all are like that. Many do little more than purely topic-related discussion on mailing lists. You'd not notice if email accounts switched hands.

The supply chain attack on xz probably came from China. The west has a hard time understanding that these are not friendly countries and that their interests are fundamentally incompatible with ours. They cannot be paid off either, which as westerners, was our usual goto. Globalization and the idea that the universal language of the dollar can bridge everything obviously did not work out; turns out your enemies will just take that dollar and buy a knife from you to immediately stab you with it. Sanctions are also meant to be punishing and isolating to the target, that's the entire point. These bridges to Russia have and are being burned with a purpose and these people aren't just bystanders that got accidentally hit by too coarse definitions - this is pretty much working as designed. The world of academia has seen this happening already for a while by now and it's an absolute massacre of expelling and firing. I know this is an unpopular view especially in counter culture places like kiwifarms and online propaganda from these countries made these stances even less popular, but we are in a covert war against an enemy that means harm and has the means to cause it. This is in full motion wherever anyone likes it, or not. Pretending it isn't happening won't make it go away. In the US, even voting for someone who'd back out of supporting Ukraine would only at best delay the inevitable confrontation with these countries, if even that. In fact, it might accelerate it if they sense weakness and start pushing more aggressively until backing down isn't an option anymore. In the world of global politics, might makes right. Peace cannot be reached by surrendering to your enemies demands, no matter how important these demands to you truly are. That's humans for you.

I don't have anything against russian or chinese people (especially considering my personal connection to Russia) but there's a limited amount of trust you can have for people that are from there in things like this. When push comes to shove, I trust a german, american, british or french contributor intrinsically more. Yes, these might be government plants implementing backdoors too, but at the end of the day, they most likely do it for the benefit of my side. I'm aware that sounds bleak but it is what it is.

Because they don;t actually use it for anything else.
It's because they don't know how anything works and also don't care to learn. I have a very special, passionate, niche hate for these assholes.
 
I don't have anything against russian or chinese people (especially considering my personal connection to Russia) but there's a limited amount of trust you can have for people that are from there in things like this. When push comes to shove, I trust a german, american, british or french contributor intrinsically more. Yes, these might be government plants implementing backdoors too, but at the end of the day, they most likely do it for the benefit of my side. I'm aware that sounds bleak but it is what it is.
You are right that Russia as a country/government is awful, deceitful. I know this because I live in Eastern Europe.
I know also that the current issues that Germany faces are caused by Russian infiltration and relations with politicians.

But my trust in United States having good interests has also become low since they started behaving similarly to an ideological empire since 2000's. Here are my reasons:
  • NSA is shamelessly involved in spying/surveillance/influence through corporations in Western countries. All the woke bullshit that happens there is an export of US Neo-Marxist Culture.
  • US banned Karspersky. First reason it might be the Russian ties. But they were discovering both Russian and US backdoors.
  • NSA introduced Intel Management Engine in CPUs
  • NSA doesnt like when organizations/Antiviruses make public or close NSA backdoors.
  • NSA contacted Linus Torvalds to introduce deliberate backdoors into the kernel. This has been confirmed by his father.
  • Linux Foundation is pressured by US Goverment to follow orders. US isn't a neutral country anymore.
UK is also very bad when it comes to spying/mass surveillance and collaboration with US Intelligence.

You might say I am biased towards Russia. But no, I also am aware Russian government wages cyber-war with Western Institutions, or makes viruses/ransomware. My issue is that many people have a blind spot for US and they don't realise US is also problematic.
Linus' reaction makes perfect sense and is honestly not surprising at all. The further east europe you go, the more russians are hated with a passion (with notable exceptions). This is something he grew up with and is ingrained in him. These people have good and well-funded reasons to hate russians, too. In some of these countries, russia doesn't manage to buy it's way into the government because no matter where politicians are on the political spectrum, a degree of russia hate is something they all agree on and anything else would not be mainstream compatible.
I think Linus Torvalds response is highly unprofessional and highly biased.
It would have been way way better, if he didn't attack Russian people and just said that these are the legal requirements.
I would have understood well and I wouldn't be angry at Linus. i would only be upset at US Government.

Also add the fact they banned a developer for protesting the decision.

 
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  • NSA introduced Intel Management Engine in CPUs
Wut? The management engine is an enterprise feature for, as the name suggests, managing corporate assets. If your computer is not remotely managed, it does nothing. Every OEM offers some form of MDM. I'm sure if you're an unaware consumer it might look suspicious but it's really nothing interesting.
 
But my trust
I actually don't doubt that there are NSA shenanigans. There's even more to it, this isn't a purely west vs. russia/china thing, the western countries also all spy on (and sometimes most likely even sabotage) each other. That's just Realpolitik. On the global stage, none of these countries are "good" and it's never black and white. But at the end of the day, I simply rather prefer them winning. They are my team. I am culturally close to them, live in them. There's also (still) such a thing as due process, seperation of powers or at least the pretense of upholding the rule of law and democratic processes in our countries (and as much as we love to whine online, this is true - I can publicly call my head of government a bumbling incompetent who's wrong re: everything and donate to causes that go directly against his parties' direction and I will not go to prison for 15 years over it) which countries like Russia don't even attempt to pretend anymore. Yes, you could reduce that to me rather having the NSA in the kernel than Putin. If I had to choose, I do. And as I said, yes, that's bleak, but the alternative would be worse. To put it in the words of the kids nowadays: Simping for a russian dictator isn't based, even if he hates trannies. As much as you might hate the system, it simply isn't the way. Ohio. (?)

I think Linus Torvalds response is highly unprofessional and highly biased.
That's Linus for you. I wrote in an earlier post that people say Linus is "cucked" now because he doesn't flame contributors anymore for retarded shit to the degree he used to, but the truth is sometimes the most known of these flamings were very justified but also sometimes they really weren't and he was just a really toxic person (in the true meaning of the word) to people who simply didn't deserve that kind of vitrol so it's actually good he toned down somewhat. He's just not the nicest guy. Some people just love people "that say it how it is" until they're the target, then it's suddenly a lot less cool.

That this will (d)evolve into gay drama, bannings and slapfights is just another tuesday in FOSS. Lots of ego here.
 
Wut? The management engine is an enterprise feature for, as the name suggests, managing corporate assets. If your computer is not remotely managed, it does nothing. Every OEM offers some form of MDM. I'm sure if you're an unaware consumer it might look suspicious but it's really nothing interesting.
I meant that it is highly probable that the implementation of Intel Management Engine is backdoor-ed intentionally.
 
That's Linus for you. I wrote in an earlier post that people say Linus is "cucked" now because he doesn't flame contributors anymore for retarded shit to the degree he used to, but the truth is sometimes the most known of these flamings were very justified but also sometimes they really weren't and he was just a really toxic person (in the true meaning of the word) to people who simply didn't deserve that kind of vitrol so it's actually good he toned down somewhat. He's just not the nicest guy. Some people just love people "that say it how it is" until they're the target, then it's suddenly a lot less cool.
Nerds with power are the worst.
 
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