Diseased Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

[Ed Special]

Why not name and shame here so other people don't buy the same NAS?

Sure. It's a Buffalo LS410D0401. Pretty old model, but buying used was the cheapest way I could get a 4tb drive at the time.

If I'd known how much of a pain in the cunt this fucker would've been before I started putting data on it, I definitely would've just gutted it for the drive and figured out a way to get it running as a NAS on the aforementioned decapitated laptop. Probably would transfer a lot faster, with said laptop having 16gb of RAM and some sort of 7th-gen Core i7/

 

[CEO of Gay]

and yet the Gentoo install process is just as complicated and none of the Gentoo users seem as insufferable. Then again, I guess there are just a lot fewer of us out there in comparison. Maybe Arch hits that minimum threshold that leads to easy elitism?

A lot of current Arch users migrated from Gentoo. Gentoo also had a smug sense of elitism, and got clowned on for it:
Funroll Loops Mirror (Archive)

A lot of the same people who got quoted saying stupid shit are probably the same mid-wit smug elitists now running Arch. Think about it. They still use a distribution that's more of a Linux Lego kit than operating system, but don't have to sit there and wait 17 hours for Chrome to compile before they can start gooning to anime and smugposting about how they use the best Linux.

 

[Rancid Xylitol]

As much as he tries, he can't ever be as cringe as the gnome people

Things GNOME has gotten done:

• Created a fairly usable Linux desktop environment
• Developed "GTK+", a not-totally-awful widget toolkit
• Provided the foundation for desktop environments like MATE and Cinnamon, which remove a lot of the GNOME brain damage
• First major DE to support Wayland
• Released some great applications - Nautilus, Evince, Gedit
• Contributed to Flatpak/Flathub
• Supports translation efforts to localize Open Source software

Things Brian Lunduke has gotten done:

• Lots of soyface
• Boring, overly long YouTube videos covering any slap-fights in OSS projects
• A blog where he complains about the same

It's a shame that the 85%+ of totally normal GNOME developers don't make the Lunduke "Journal". I guess "Man releases software quietly without offending anyone" wouldn't get any clicks for him though.

 

[Rancid Xylitol]

Probably would transfer a lot faster, with said laptop having 16gb of RAM and some sort of 7th-gen Core i7/

Yeah, totally. The requirements for a NAS that needs to run Samba/NFS are PATHETIC. You can get some ancient core and a tiny bit of RAM and quite easily keep a multi-disk RAID volume hoppin' and boppin'. Most of the commercial NAS out there end up being a sad little ARM/MIPS Linux box with a badly written PHP web app to help people who would be too annoyed to make a single line edit in smb.conf.

There's also some slight satisfaction in being able to roll your own. The last few "NAS" I used were pretty much just a Debian box with Samba + NFS installed and set up with ZFS so I can get checksumming/compression/snapshots. Little to no maintenance and nothing proprietary at all. When I lose a disk, I just drop in another one of similar size and off and running. Easy stuff.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

A lot of the same people who got quoted saying stupid shit are probably the same mid-wit smug elitists now running Arch. Think about it. They still use a distribution that's more of a Linux Lego kit than operating system, but don't have to sit there and wait 17 hours for Chrome to compile before they can start gooning to anime and smugposting about how they use the best Linux .

Linux Would be more widely adopted if every single person who used it wasn't this self important midwit rethinks they are the gods gift to the world also I know this is a hard thing to figure out but if you have to have a manual to just use the software it's not particularly good software.

And that's its issue as much as it's better than windows I don't use it simply due to the fact that I don't feel like pulling teeth every time I want to download something

 

[CEO of Gay]

Yeah, totally. The requirements for a NAS that needs to run Samba/NFS are PATHETIC. You can get some ancient core and a tiny bit of RAM and quite easily keep a multi-disk RAID volume hoppin' and boppin'. Most of the commercial NAS out there end up being a sad little ARM/MIPS Linux box with a badly written PHP web app to help people who would be too annoyed to make a single line edit in smb.conf.

There's also some slight satisfaction in being able to roll your own. The last few "NAS" I used were pretty much just a Debian box with Samba + NFS installed and set up with ZFS so I can get checksumming/compression/snapshots. Little to no maintenance and nothing proprietary at all. When I lose a disk, I just drop in another one of similar size and off and running. Easy stuff.

While I appreciate your enthusiasm, please stop multi-posting. It is bad form here to make multiple, successive posts, with no replies from others between. Those successive posts could and should have been a single post.

 

[Ed Special]

if you have to have a manual to just use the software it's not particularly good software.

It depends - for 3D modelling or rendering, no, that shit's just that complex. For connecting and configuring a NAS share... Windows has had a utility built into explorer to do that for over 20 years, so why Linux can't have one that Just Works when you point it at the right network address and figures out the best settings like with Windows evades me, because 99% of the time if your NAS is using SMB it's GOING to use the same damned settings, so what's even the point of forcing everyone to spend more time to set it up than through Windows when there's really no need or call for individualized configuration?

Oh, right, it's for Linuxfags to filter "posers" and keep their exclusive club exclusive - which, I'm all for gatekeeping normally, but this is for functional software, damn you. Manual car guys (myself included) might be a bit full of themselves about being better drivers, yeah, but at least manuals TRY to help you drive in what small ways they reasonably can. If they were designed by Linuxfags, though, I somehow suspect they'd all be missing not only synchros, but the damn clutch and shift lever, with the general advice for anyone who complains about having to match revs to within 3rpm every shift to "Go back to automatic slushboxes or git gud, bro".

Basically, either stop bitching about normies using "spyware" for "niggercattle", or actually make an effort to make your software useable by people who don't have a Doctorate's on CompSci and the autistic drive to spend more time reading documentation than actually using the damn computer.

 

[YoRHa No. 2 Type B]

• Released some great applications - Nautilus, Evince, Gedit

Yet compared to KDE and Qt, GTK and the Gnome apps are just toys for speds.
Funny how it took GTK guys 20 years to make a functional file picker because they were too busy shilling Wayland, yet the KDE guys got it done in the early 2000's.

 

[snotang]

also I know this is a hard thing to figure out but if you have to have a manual to just use the software it's not particularly good software.

The most charitable interpretation of this statement I can offer is that you have simply forgotten to qualify your statement with "for software that only does one very simple thing". This might apply, for example, to the 'cat' utility - but even that has behavior that can be surprising if you specify - as an argument multiple times.

The less charitable interpretation is that you have not taken a moment to reflect on why you think any nontrivial software doesn't require some amount of documentation. While I don't know what software you had in mind while writing this, most people that I see say this kind of thing are actually (perhaps without realizing it) complaining that the software doesn't work the same as some other software that they have already consumed documentation for. Icons, labels, menus, tooltips - all of these are also documentation.

How do you know that Ctrl+V means "paste"? Does it strike you as naturally intuitive in some way? Or that Ctrl+Z means "undo"? No, you learned them by reading or being taught at some point in your life. Yet people will angrily rant about emacs not using these, because it's "unintuitive", despite emacs's keybindings having been around for longer.

The reasonable response to being forced to learn Spanish as a 2nd grader isn't "Spanish is stupid, why don't they just say hi instead of hola" - it's "I don't want to learn Spanish and it's stupid that you're making me". If you don't want to learn, that's fine, but pretending that only the software you haven't been using for a long time "requires a manual to use" is absolutely 2nd-grade "world revolves around me" tier thinking.

 

[Rat Runner]

It depends - for 3D modelling or rendering, no, that shit's just that complex. For connecting and configuring a NAS share... Windows has had a utility built into explorer to do that for over 20 years, so why Linux can't have one that Just Works when you point it at the right network address and figures out the best settings like with Windows evades me, because 99% of the time if your NAS is using SMB it's GOING to use the same damned settings, so what's even the point of forcing everyone to spend more time to set it up than through Windows when there's really no need or call for individualized configuration?

Oh, right, it's for Linuxfags to filter "posers" and keep their exclusive club exclusive - which, I'm all for gatekeeping normally, but this is for functional software, damn you. Manual car guys (myself included) might be a bit full of themselves about being better drivers, yeah, but at least manuals TRY to help you drive in what small ways they reasonably can. If they were designed by Linuxfags, though, I somehow suspect they'd all be missing not only synchros, but the damn clutch and shift lever, with the general advice for anyone who complains about having to match revs to within 3rpm every shift to "Go back to automatic slushboxes or git gud, bro".

Basically, either stop bitching about normies using "spyware" for "niggercattle", or actually make an effort to make your software useable by people who don't have a Doctorate's on CompSci and the autistic drive to spend more time reading documentation than actually using the damn computer.

Just kinda works for me.

 

[Cognitive Decline]

When you think of Lunduke, remember that the being occupying the right half of the image is the reason that his last name is "Lunduke" instead of "Lund", and that he's "religiously Jewish".

The guy isn't poor, or particularly ugly or socially inept. He's hardly the only tech nerd to punch so far below his weight on the dating market, a phenomenon that warrants further study.

 

[Nekoi.Inukuma.00]

I regret to inform all the Linux hipsters, Linux is now mainstream enough to be endorsed by pewdiepie.

Linux distro fights are, in general, dumb. Use whatever has the packages you want to use. To necro a few older posts:

Hellooo, I would like to inroduce my new distro! It's Arch but without SOYSTEMD!!!

The original reason I installed Arch was because a minimal installation was >100mb. Gimme that w/o systemd and I'd be there in a heartbeat.

Artix is a chud distro

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"Artix Linux is a rolling-release distribution, based on Arch Linux. It uses real init systems, because PID1 must be simple, secure and stable." --Artix Linux homepage.

Well shit, I see what I'm upgrading my ancient laptop to this weekend.

A lot of current Arch users migrated from Gentoo. Gentoo also had a smug sense of elitism, and got clowned on for it:
Funroll Loops Mirror (Archive)

ngl, I used to use Gentoo growing up because I only had access to craptastic hardware and that 6% extra optimization made a difference. Back when not everything was an .deb or .rpm an automated system that compiled your libraries from source made sense.

These days hardware is powerful enough that there is no point and just about everything I'd want to use has an install package... or better yet can be containerized or virtualized.

But goddamn does that site nail the mid-era Gentoo forum's voice.

 

[skunt]

I regret to inform all the Linux hipsters, Linux is now mainstream enough to be endorsed by pewdiepie.

Wrong thread, linux thread is over here. Also you're like 2 days late

 

[CrunkLord420]

PewDiePie managed to install Arch because he downloaded the ISO off the website and followed the instructions on the wiki. What's your excuse, nerds?

Spoiler

I genuinely admire what PewDiePie has done post-retirement. Reading books, getting fit, learning to draw, moving to Linux, starting a family. He has a lifestyle to aspire to and a good role model for da kidz (and man-children).

 

[DavidS877]

What's your excuse, nerds?

Have you seen the price of floppies these days? You know how many of them you need to install this so-called "Linux".

 

[Itchy Hemorrhoids]

Things GNOME has gotten done:

Total footfag death

 

[Cuckoman]

gpedit and regedit are not even remotely hard to use, you just suck at understanding Windows' legacy utilities (or powershell/command prompt, if you're of that persuasion). Grew up with my parents' hand-me-down MS-DOS based systems, so fortunately I'm not stuck with that handicap.

I literally just explained I can't without deleting a terabyte and change of data that I don't have the storage space to exfiltrate just to have a shell on the hardware that WILL let me change the finer details of configuration. One of these days, when I've got the expendable income to do so, I'll probably get around to throwing a few terabytes of SSDs onto an old decapitated HP laptop I've got on hand and use that as a NAS, but this is what works with what I've actually got on hand at the moment.

Can't you just read the data back from the backup to the new system?
Or you are saying that you have 1T of important data, with no backup, and solely stored on a cheap drive connected to a noname network router?

It doesn't sound like your data is all that important to me. If it is to much effort to copy the data off the drive, just wipe it and pretend you had a drive failure.

 

[Ed Special]

Or you are saying that you have 1T of important data, with no backup, and solely stored on a cheap drive connected to a noname network router?

Critical data is backed up elsewhere, incl. a few encrypted flash drives cached a few counties over. Big problem are my movies, art, and music, which can't all be easily tracked back down and which, in all honesty, I have lost track of what and how much I've got.

 

[Rancid Xylitol]

With all the hand-wringing about Linux + PewDiePie and Nazis, I take solace in a few things:

• All the loons worried about "Nazis coming to Linux" are usually the same ones who don't contribute much, besides writing "Codes of Conduct" and other useless sideline activities. They are rarely kernel devs and the like.
• Linux is decentralized enough to avoid a total takeover. When you look at something like "Magic: The Gathering", all it takes is for a few loonies to infiltrate a company, and suddenly the whole thing is pozzed. Any OSS project that becomes plagued can just fork.

Do these people have so few things to worry about that they start seeing Nazis everywhere? It reminds me of the polar opposite of 4chan /pol/, where every slight rustling of leaves in the wind is because of (((them))).

All the typical "social justice warrior takeovers" will manage to corrupt a few projects, but the rest of the world will keep steaming on. Even the much bemoaned GNOME already has a few forks going, and most of them seem to have far saner devs.

OSS software routes around brain damage like the internet routes around censorship. The more they try to gatekeep and exert control, the more sand slips through their fingers.
To some, seeing PewDiePie spread Linux around is awesome, bringing more users into the fold. It's only the truly insane that view this through the lens of a Nazi takeover.

Hopefully all those involved get bored and eject out to corrupt a gender studies class or something equally useless. Leave software to the nerds, who tend to care about working software and little else.

All this hubbub reminds me of "Coraline Ada Ehmke" who rampaged around Github, shaming projects that weren't seen as progressive enough. Now, a few years later, it seems like the only change is some branches renamed from "master" to "main". Ehmke is now confined safely to a few podcasts no one watches and all the projects just keep on ticking.

Since these whiners and complainers rarely ever code or contribute themselves they have a really short expiration date before they get bored and wander off.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

They may not contribute anything, but they DO run off the ones who do contribute, so you should be concerned about the future once they have any sliver of influence in anything you care about.