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There was a post from Ryan Fleury about the Better Software Conference (check it out if you haven't) about how gatekeeping is good actually, the post is here and I can't be bothered archiving it because the contents doesn't really matter too much, what matters is the creator of Zig, Andrew Kelley, posting sour grapes on lobste.rs because he wasn't included.

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Maybe filling your community with faggot tranny leftists isn't very fulfilling! This also includes a swipe at Jonathan Blow who wasn't even involved in the conference and as of a few months ago expressed his opinions on people trying to win the "Language Wars".



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This is relevant because the creator of Zig has labelled his "comptime" functionality as a "fresh approach" to compile time execution on the front page of his site all while it being a poor imitation of what Jonathan Blow demoed in 2014.

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DavidS877 said:
This is the Open Source thread.
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I encourage you to read the title again and maybe check what board you're in!
 
General Zoider said:
then use a shell account on another host with a vpn and you should be good.
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This. Not only it prevents your home IP from leaking, it lets you have a client connected 24/7 (IRC is ephemeral and only some servers offer a backlog on join, so if you are offline, you dont get messages), and you can set up some funny reverse DNS for your server's IP.
 
DavidS877 said:
This is the Open Source thread. Just use IRC, geez.
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another dumbass supporting centralization...
The Real Slim Shady said:
This. Not only it prevents your home IP from leaking, it lets you have a client connected 24/7 (IRC is ephemeral and only some servers offer a backlog on join, so if you are offline, you dont get messages), and you can set up some funny reverse DNS for your server's IP.
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Fantastic. so to exercise the most basic in security, I need to use another server or a vpn or something besides my own fucking network and a client just so I don't leak something that isn't a problem on xmpp or matrix? you're really making solid points here
 
I feel there's a growing number of users who are just not grasping what this thread is for. Shame the plagued tag can't be applied any more.
 
Fraygorryt The Wise said:
another dumbass supporting centralization...
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Markass the Worst said:
How is IRC centralized?
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It's one of the earliest semi-decentralized networks. There are lots of different IRC networks, and any given large IRC network depends on dozens of linked servers to load balance (remember net-splits back in the day?)

I don't think any IRC networks allow FServs anymore, so the era of DCC sharing are pretty much gone. Most of that stuff has moved to torrents.
 
Markass the Worst said:
How is IRC centralized?
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I connect to a server, then I join a channel on that server. There is no joining channels on other servers, or using nicks from other servers. It's as decentralized as a game server.
Just because it's not one server doesn't make it any less "centralized". You'll run into the same problems when that server shuts down as you would any other.
teriyakiburns said:
I feel there's a growing number of users who are just not grasping what this thread is for. Shame the plagued tag can't be applied any more.
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Nobody really cares because it's kind of retarded. This thread gets "plagued" because we're not constantly talking about lolcows when they only show up every now and then. This thread shouldn't be in lolcows. The open source community isn't really lolcow worthy in itself, it's just a bunch of people and groups that are, some of which have their own threads. I wouldn't call an entire neighborhood druggies if there was only one crack addict walking around.
 
Markass the Worst said:
If I don't pay taxes, men with guns will show up at my place and put me in a cage.
If I don't use Discord, nothing happens to me.
Why make this comparison?
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If I cant ask my support quetsion I cant use my computer. I cant use my computer I cant use the internet. I cant use the internet I cant use kiwifarms. Do you just want me to STARVE TO DEATH. you want me to be like ANNE FRANK. you want me to go HUNGRY AND DIE??
 
teriyakiburns said:
I feel there's a growing number of users who are just not grasping what this thread is for. Shame the plagued tag can't be applied any more.
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It's been a boring news week for open source lolcows overall. The most talked about thing was Linus Torvalds used ai to code a toy python project he needed for his hobby, and people sperging out it.

Although i was thinking yesterday. I should work on the next part of the nix tranny takeover thing I wanted to do when I made the write up on the beginning of the nix comminist revolution. I should find some free time to get the info on it.
 
Enne said:
There was a post from Ryan Fleury about the Better Software Conference (check it out if you haven't) about how gatekeeping is good actually, the post is here and I can't be bothered archiving it because the contents doesn't really matter too much, what matters is the creator of Zig, Andrew Kelley, posting sour grapes on lobste.rs because he wasn't included.
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That was a damn good read and everyone should check it out. This is someone recognizing the danger at the gates of OSS, ignoring that danger is what generates a lot of the drama mentioned in this thread.

Favorite bit, regarding the comments whining that the conference wasn't diverse enough:

Of course, the conference was invite-only, and thus “exclusive”, but it wasn’t selecting for particular demographics, it was selecting for—and exclusively for—people who care about better software. It’s in the title. It’s why the conference wasn’t—despite the characterization—demographically homogeneous. Unsurprisingly, those more concerned with demographics than the topic of the conference wouldn’t typically make the cut.

Such rants about “sameyness”, or the conference looking like a “frat party”, or “dudes duding it up dudely”, are resentful, deranged tantrums that the demographics of a conference—a computer programming conference—attended by primarily Swedes, other Europeans, and Americans—do not match those that they’d prefer, which suggests a rather nefarious undertone.
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"those more concerned with demographics than the topic of the conference wouldn’t typically make the cut" - underrated sick burn to an entire ideology
 
Fraygorryt The Wise said:
Nobody really cares because it's kind of retarded. This thread gets "plagued" because we're not constantly talking about lolcows when they only show up every now and then. This thread shouldn't be in lolcows. The open source community isn't really lolcow worthy in itself, it's just a bunch of people and groups that are, some of which have their own threads. I wouldn't call an entire neighborhood druggies if there was only one crack addict walking around.
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This thread should be in lolcows because it's about lolcows, there's nothing stopping you or anyone else from going to the tech board and pressing the new thread button and typing "Open Source Software Thread" in the title and creating the thread but for very valid reasons we can't just create publicly viewable threads for lolcows as easily. Please respect your fellow forum users and do not take over threads because you have arbitrarily deemed it as better suited for your purpose.

I also don't think threads need to be active to justify their existence, if there's no news then there can be no posts but someone can come along and read posts if they're interested in the topic and it will also give them an idea on what to post/not post.
 
seri0us said:
What did he have to say?
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He basically said ai is the future. That was what he had to say about it. I got it confuses because he said gentoo, went straight to talking about how good ai is now. And told a story about helping with Crunklords game using ai to solve a problem crunklord was stuck on. Then in the end it came back around to gentoo leaving github.

Most of the segment wasn't really talking about them leaving. He mentioned their name in the beginning, had the story, then a short comment at the end.

I will say one of the only cases of using github is a good choice, is the USIPS github. Just because it's one of the few places where null is actually able to monetize. I think when you are in the position hes in you really don't have the choices other people take for granted. Not that anyone is clamoring to know my opinion on the matter.


The thing I really take issue with, isn't that github has copilot integrated into github, it's that I don't like the fact that you are knowingly or unknowingly helping Microsoft specifically with their ai.

Maybe if it was another company I would think of it differently. But it's a company that very clearly has a group of people that they want to please, and it's not the normal customer, it's not the person hosting a repo, it's investors and others that they actually care about. Microsoft is a symbol to me of the direction we have let things go as a country.

I'm very pro capitalism, but when a company doesn't care about the utility they are providing to the people using their product, but instead cares about how they are perceived in the market. It shows me their is a failure in the system that needs to be fixed. It's gone on for a long time, and Microsoft isn't the only one. They are just a very obvious case of it, that touches a lot of people's lives because most people use windows computers.

The problem is, even though the status quo is killing this country. Blackrock is buying up homes to rent to people instead, game companies moved to the same model. Everything has been moving to this model. Jobs, are doing as close as they can to the same thing. They don't want long term employees they want contractors instead. Or if they do want a long term employee they get an h1b to give slave wages, and have complete control over them. For consumable physical products that can't do some kind of subscription or rent, instead theyve moved to only producing low quality products that fail, and if possible make repairing almost as costly as buying a new one so you are incentivized to buy a new one instead of fixing it (or it not breaking in the first place).

I'm beating a dead horse at this point. But i really wanted to drive home what I'm saying. Microsoft I see as a symbol of the world we live in now, and a part of what got us here. It's why I hate anything that supports that company, and I wish people would concetrate of fixing the actual issue here. But it's very financially beneficial to get people to ignore what's causing these problems. And I unfortunately don't think anyone will ever try to reform it through law. Most people just ignore it anyway. A lot of people get distracted by the symptoms (like the h1b workers, and the illegals. It is important to fix these to be clear), but they don't look at the actual cause. And unless that's fixed it's like putting a bandaid on a chopped off leg.

And fixing it wouldn't be simple, but it's necessary. And some of the most powerful people in the country/world definitely wouldn't want it to happen. Things like creating laws that change how trading is done, how lobbying is done, how emplyment is done. All of this is part of what bothers me so much about communists. They see that their are some issues, but they decided the way to fix it is a broken system that some degenerate jew came up with. And stopped thinking critically about it after that.

To put into perspective where I'm coming from, the closest thing to describe what I am is something close to a libertarian. But I just don't know of a way to fix this without a complete change in some of our laws. I do think deregulation could help in some areas, but it won't solve everything.

There are some other things i wanted to say about this. But idk the best way to fit them into this so I'll just stop the blog post here.
 
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