Operation Breaking Dawn - The cycle of violence continues

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Wormy said:
Still evil. They attacked a US Naval vessel and lied through their teeth about it. That should have been a straight up act of war. Japan did that, and we dropped two nukes on them, but Israel got a pass? Fuck that.
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I will never understand how the USS Liberty incident is somehow so shocking and shit. The US has routinely had friendly fire incidents throughout it's military history. The Israeli pilots misidentified a US ship and fired on it. It's tragic that people died, but acting as if this is somehow wholly unique is ridiculous.


Let's use more recent examples from Iraq and Afghanistan where Americans:
  1. Shot down a British Tornado in Iraq
  2. A-10s attacked British recon vehicles also in Iraq
  3. The Tarnak Farm incident, where a US pilot killed 4 Canadians
  4. Operation Medusa, where an A-10 strafed NATO forces, killing 1 Canadian and injuring 30 more
  5. A F-15 bombed the British troops it was sent in to help support, killing one.

But hey, that's just with the benefit of modern technology and shit. The Americans were fighting in Vietnam at the time and would never accidentally misidentify their own ships....




Oh shit, look at all these acts of war by the Americans against the British, Australians, Canadians and themselves. Or, you know, war is a messy business and friendly fire incidents happen.
 
May G-d bless the true sons and daughters of Abraham, the ones who hunger and thirst for righteousness, who continue to seek His face even in the midst of all that has and is yet to come, amen.

Fuck the rest.
 
Jews and durkas shooting each other, and maybe even more aid out of Biden's coffers.

A win-win. Why get mad when untermensch go mental at each other?

Get popcorn instead.
 
Just_Somebody said:
I will never understand how the USS Liberty incident is somehow so shocking and shit. The US has routinely had friendly fire incidents throughout it's military history. The Israeli pilots misidentified a US ship and fired on it. It's tragic that people died, but acting as if this is somehow wholly unique is ridiculous.


Let's use more recent examples from Iraq and Afghanistan where Americans:
  1. Shot down a British Tornado in Iraq
  2. A-10s attacked British recon vehicles also in Iraq
  3. The Tarnak Farm incident, where a US pilot killed 4 Canadians
  4. Operation Medusa, where an A-10 strafed NATO forces, killing 1 Canadian and injuring 30 more
  5. A F-15 bombed the British troops it was sent in to help support, killing one.

But hey, that's just with the benefit of modern technology and shit. The Americans were fighting in Vietnam at the time and would never accidentally misidentify their own ships....




Oh shit, look at all these acts of war by the Americans against the British, Australians, Canadians and themselves. Or, you know, war is a messy business and friendly fire incidents happen.
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Did these friendly fire incidents involve ignored radio contact and subsequent engagement of lifeboats?
 
Just_Somebody said:
I will never understand how the USS Liberty incident is somehow so shocking and shit. The US has routinely had friendly fire incidents throughout it's military history. The Israeli pilots misidentified a US ship and fired on it. It's tragic that people died, but acting as if this is somehow wholly unique is ridiculous.


Let's use more recent examples from Iraq and Afghanistan where Americans:
  1. Shot down a British Tornado in Iraq
  2. A-10s attacked British recon vehicles also in Iraq
  3. The Tarnak Farm incident, where a US pilot killed 4 Canadians
  4. Operation Medusa, where an A-10 strafed NATO forces, killing 1 Canadian and injuring 30 more
  5. A F-15 bombed the British troops it was sent in to help support, killing one.

But hey, that's just with the benefit of modern technology and shit. The Americans were fighting in Vietnam at the time and would never accidentally misidentify their own ships....




Oh shit, look at all these acts of war by the Americans against the British, Australians, Canadians and themselves. Or, you know, war is a messy business and friendly fire incidents happen.
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To compare the USS liberty incident with those is very ingenuine. USS Liberty is a highly disputed event and even if it was an accident, it could be argued that the negligence shown in the incident was the reasoning for the friendly fire. The US flag was flying and the weather wouldn't have obstructed the view for the pilots. To say it's comparable to a friendly fire event isn't fair to actual friendly fire events that were genuinely mistakes. The Israeli pilots were given all the opportunities to identify the USS Liberty. Shooting at what you think is the enemy, and shooting with your eyes closed on purpose are two different things.

ALSO, Israel is only able to exist as a country because of the United States, and the negligence shown in this event was a spit in the face to the Americans. It rubs Americans the wrong way when they see 11 billion dollars a year go to an "Ally." Europe is way more of an ally than Israel, Israel has done nothing for the United States other than be a reason for the U.S. to fight in the Middle East.
If Israel didn't have such a huge influence on the U.S. government, there'd be absolutely no reason we'd need to die for them. We care more about their borders than our own. That says a lot. If you don't think there's anything wrong with the fact U.S. spends way more effort protecting the borders of Israel than they do with America, then you're a shill.
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U.S. will let their own soldiers die for Israel, aswell as send Israel $3 billion. What does the U.S. get in return? I have yet to find any good reasoning behind why Israel is our greatest ally. Not to mention, our "greatest ally" helps supply arms to our enemies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Nagorno-Karabakh_war Azerbaijan, ya know the Muslims that are the greatest threat to the west that Israel saves the west from?? They supplied them with weaponry to fight against Christians. Also, don't forget about the fact Israel will help Migrants get to Europe
Officially Israel neither recognizes nor denies the Armenian genocide.
 
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byuu said:
So where are the gay werewolves?
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Go to the beach in Tel Aviv and you'll see some.
Nazrin said:
To compare the USS liberty incident with those is very ingenuine. USS Liberty is a highly disputed event and even if it was an accident, it could be argued that the negligence shown in the incident was the reasoning for the friendly fire. The US flag was flying and the weather wouldn't have obstructed the view for the pilots. To say it's comparable to a friendly fire event isn't fair to actual friendly fire events that were genuinely mistakes. The Israeli pilots were given all the opportunities to identify the USS Liberty. Shooting at what you think is the enemy, and shooting with your eyes closed on purpose are two different things.

ALSO, Israel is only able to exist as a country because of the United States, and the negligence shown in this event was a spit in the face to the Americans. It rubs Americans the wrong way when they see 11 billion dollars a year go to an "Ally." Europe is way more of an ally than Israel, Israel has done nothing for the United States other than be a reason for the U.S. to fight in the Middle East.
If Israel didn't have such a huge influence on the U.S. government, there'd be absolutely no reason we'd need to die for them. We care more about their borders than our own. That says a lot. If you don't think there's anything wrong with the fact U.S. spends way more effort protecting the borders of Israel than they do with America, then you're a shill.
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U.S. will let their own soldiers die for Israel, aswell as send Israel $3 billion. What does the U.S. get in return? I have yet to find any good reasoning behind why Israel is our greatest ally. Not to mention, our "greatest ally" helps supply arms to our enemies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Nagorno-Karabakh_war Azerbaijan, ya know the Muslims that are the greatest threat to the west that Israel saves the west from?? They supplied them with weaponry to fight against Christians. Also, don't forget about the fact Israel will help Migrants get to Europe
Officially Israel neither recognizes nor denies the Armenian genocide.
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Pretty sure the pilots were following orders and the people on the war room were trhe ones that fucked up massively. Still if you want to argue how Israel is an enemy to the USA, needing to go back half a century to dredge up an event proves the opposite.
Also the "fighting wars for Israel" is complete bullshit since it ignores multiple reasons for USA engagement in the Middle East.
Finally the mutual relations give the USA a solid foothold in the region, as well as helping producing new army technology for both countries.
 
Nazrin said:
To compare the USS liberty incident with those is very ingenuine. USS Liberty is a highly disputed event and even if it was an accident, it could be argued that the negligence shown in the incident was the reasoning for the friendly fire. The US flag was flying and the weather wouldn't have obstructed the view for the pilots. To say it's comparable to a friendly fire event isn't fair to actual friendly fire events that were genuinely mistakes. The Israeli pilots were given all the opportunities to identify the USS Liberty. Shooting at what you think is the enemy, and shooting with your eyes closed on purpose are two different things.

ALSO, Israel is only able to exist as a country because of the United States, and the negligence shown in this event was a spit in the face to the Americans. It rubs Americans the wrong way when they see 11 billion dollars a year go to an "Ally." Europe is way more of an ally than Israel, Israel has done nothing for the United States other than be a reason for the U.S. to fight in the Middle East.
If Israel didn't have such a huge influence on the U.S. government, there'd be absolutely no reason we'd need to die for them. We care more about their borders than our own. That says a lot. If you don't think there's anything wrong with the fact U.S. spends way more effort protecting the borders of Israel than they do with America, then you're a shill.
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U.S. will let their own soldiers die for Israel, aswell as send Israel $3 billion. What does the U.S. get in return? I have yet to find any good reasoning behind why Israel is our greatest ally. Not to mention, our "greatest ally" helps supply arms to our enemies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Nagorno-Karabakh_war Azerbaijan, ya know the Muslims that are the greatest threat to the west that Israel saves the west from?? They supplied them with weaponry to fight against Christians. Also, don't forget about the fact Israel will help Migrants get to Europe
Officially Israel neither recognizes nor denies the Armenian genocide.
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US has a lot of things to thank Israel for.

Miscegenation, BLM, wokeism, whoreism, their amazing education system, catch and release, and all you need to do for it is send a few shekels their way.

Best option to own Hitler, Putler, and Trumpler!
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Pretty sure the pilots were following orders and the people on the war room were trhe ones that fucked up massively.
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I'm not sure how this does anything but support the idea that the USS Liberty was anything but a "legitimate" friendly-fire mistake.
Also: the lower links in his post demonstrate more "modern" reasons that Israel is not much of an ally to the west. Feel free to send your own shekels to Israel, but I don't want any of mine going there.
 
Nazrin said:
To compare the USS liberty incident with those is very ingenuine. USS Liberty is a highly disputed event and even if it was an accident, it could be argued that the negligence shown in the incident was the reasoning for the friendly fire. The US flag was flying and the weather wouldn't have obstructed the view for the pilots. To say it's comparable to a friendly fire event isn't fair to actual friendly fire events that were genuinely mistakes. The Israeli pilots were given all the opportunities to identify the USS Liberty. Shooting at what you think is the enemy, and shooting with your eyes closed on purpose are two different things.

ALSO, Israel is only able to exist as a country because of the United States, and the negligence shown in this event was a spit in the face to the Americans. It rubs Americans the wrong way when they see 11 billion dollars a year go to an "Ally." Europe is way more of an ally than Israel, Israel has done nothing for the United States other than be a reason for the U.S. to fight in the Middle East.
If Israel didn't have such a huge influence on the U.S. government, there'd be absolutely no reason we'd need to die for them. We care more about their borders than our own. That says a lot. If you don't think there's anything wrong with the fact U.S. spends way more effort protecting the borders of Israel than they do with America, then you're a shill.
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U.S. will let their own soldiers die for Israel, aswell as send Israel $3 billion. What does the U.S. get in return? I have yet to find any good reasoning behind why Israel is our greatest ally. Not to mention, our "greatest ally" helps supply arms to our enemies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Nagorno-Karabakh_war Azerbaijan, ya know the Muslims that are the greatest threat to the west that Israel saves the west from?? They supplied them with weaponry to fight against Christians. Also, don't forget about the fact Israel will help Migrants get to Europe
Officially Israel neither recognizes nor denies the Armenian genocide.
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>israel is only able to exist as a country because of the united states
USA wasn't even involved in israel until the 60s beyond some economic aid and the only real intervention they had that would be considered "saving" israel was when they agreed to resupply Israel during the Yom Kippur war and that's because the Israelis told them that if they didn't the Israelis would have to go nuclear.

>American soldiers die for Israel
point to me a single example of an american soldier dying directly because of a US operation to help israel, doesn't exist.

>11 billion dollars a year
>3 billion dollars a year
Which one is it, keep your numbers straight. Also those are all raytheon vouchers, its gibs for the american MIC. Israel arguably doesnt need it and doesn't want it.

St.Davis said:
I'm not sure how this does anything but support the idea that the USS Liberty was anything but a "legitimate" friendly-fire mistake.
Also: the lower links in his post demonstrate more "modern" reasons that Israel is not much of an ally to the west. Feel free to send your own shekels to Israel, but I don't want any of mine going there.
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looking at your links:


Jewish German group that's not affiliated with Israel and is likely full of "reform" cucks


Israel sent african refugees back to Africa, specifically Rwanda and Uganda, and then the African refugees go to Europe. Did you bother reading this?


how dare israel protect its borders and care about who they let in? Just because europe is suffering the israelis have to suffer too?

Also the whole Christian vs Muslim thing with azerbajin is fucking hilarious, Azeris are the most secular Muslim nation and they literally don't give a fuck about Islam:

https://eurasianet.org/azerbaijan-islam-comes-with-a-secular-face

That attitude stems largely from Azerbaijan’s own history. Traditionally a predominantly Shi’a Muslim country, Azerbaijan spent 71 years as an officially atheist Soviet republic. When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, Azerbaijanis, like citizens of other formerly Soviet republics, began looking for an alternative ideology and turned to religion, said Elchin Askerov, a former deputy chairperson of the State Committee for Work with Religions Organizations. But in Azerbaijan’s case, the popular embrace of Islam did not diminish secular traditions.

“Most religious Azerbaijanis never attend a mosque; they do not change their lifestyle according to what Islam describes,” Askerov explained. “Islam is not a lifestyle for them. They do not care if the country’s social and political life contradicts the rules dictated by Islam.”

Speculation about the potential radicalization of Islam in Azerbaijan has been connected to a recent rise of tension between Baku and neighboring Iran. Some Iranian leaders have indulged in provocative rhetoric, and pro-Tehran radicals were suspected of assassinating a prominent secular-minded journalist in 2012. Even so, signs are plentiful, at least in Baku, that the country’s secular orientation remains firm. For example, no campaign exists against Azerbaijanis drinking alcohol, and pork products can be found – though not always -- in supermarkets. Meanwhile, a series of protests to encourage the government to allow females to wear hijab, the traditional Muslim head covering for women, in public educational institutions failed to gain traction.
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Seriously comparing a Muslim nation that openly drinks alcohol and eats pork to actual threats to the west is laughable and the war between Armenia/Azerbajin is due to land bs.

Barely any countries recognize the Armenian genocide, it's a great way to get turkey to throw a shitfit.

re: USS Liberty, the pilots were also tired AF from 4 days of constant sorties and went with what they could ID.

as an aside that's the first time ive ever seen mazel tov written as masel tov, that takes a special kind of stupid
 
Male Idiot said:
I neither can quote nor rate the above, but let me do it here.
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why cant I quote it aswell?

Israel sent african refugees back to Africa, specifically Rwanda and Uganda, and then the African refugees go to Europe. Did you bother reading this?
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Retard, it's to show that they don't want refugees in their country.

>11 billion dollars a year
>3 billion dollars a year
Which one is it, keep your numbers straight. Also those are all raytheon vouchers, its gibs for the american MIC. Israel arguably doesnt need it and doesn't want it.
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Why do we give them 3 billion a year then? The United States provided Israel with $3.8 billion in military aid. Israel also benefits from around $8 billion in American loan guarantees.
The bill provides $235 million for Israel to procure the Iron Dome system. The Israeli government has also agreed to spend more than half the funds the United States provides for the Iron Dome system in the United States.

"On 17 January 2014, President Barack Obama signed the fiscal year 2014 Consolidated Appropriations Act. The bill provides $235 million for Israel toprocure the Iron Dome system.[44] The Israeli government has also agreed to spend more than half the funds the United States provides for the Iron Dome system in the United States. Funds going to U.S. contractors will increase to 30 percent in 2014 and 55 percent in 2015 from 3 percent previously, according to a U.S. Missile Defense Agency report to Congress.[45]"

Also the whole Christian vs Muslim thing with azerbajin is fucking hilarious, Azeris are the most secular Muslim nation and they literally don't give a fuck about Islam:
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What a load of bullshit. 96% of the country is Muslim.
“Most religious Azerbaijanis never attend a mosque; they do not change their lifestyle according to what Islam describes,” Askerov explained. “Islam is not a lifestyle for them. They do not care if the country’s social and political life contradicts the rules dictated by Islam.”​
So what you're telling me is there's 2000+ Mosques in Azerbaijan that never have anyone who attends them?
>American soldiers die for Israel
point to me a single example of an american soldier dying directly because of a US operation to help israel, doesn't exist.
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The United States' job is to destabilize neighboring countries to Israel. It's to make sure there's no prominent force to attack Israel.

>israel is only able to exist as a country because of the united states
USA wasn't even involved in israel until the 60s beyond some economic aid and the only real intervention they had that would be considered "saving" israel was when they agreed to resupply Israel during the Yom Kippur war and that's because the Israelis told them that if they didn't the Israelis would have to go nuclear.
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Oh yeah, I'm aware of that. They were threatening to conduct the Samson Option. Also isnt 1960, only 12 years after the state of Israel was created?

re: USS Liberty, the pilots were also tired AF from 4 days of constant sorties and went with what they could ID.
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So that gives them the right to just not give a shit about killing allies?
 
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No it is the post length. Too long posts can't be quoted. Not sure if by design or software limitations.

Anyway, let them fight! Even Israel's weapons are not good enough to accidentally land in Europe if they aim at the durka, so all's good! Mazel Poz and Allahu Ackbar. Its a trap!
 
Nazrin said:
Why do we give them 3 billion a year then? The United States provided Israel with $3.8 billion in military aid. Israel also benefits from around $8 billion in American loan guarantees.
The bill provides $235 million for Israel to procure the Iron Dome system. The Israeli government has also agreed to spend more than half the funds the United States provides for the Iron Dome system in the United States.

"On 17 January 2014, President Barack Obama signed the fiscal year 2014 Consolidated Appropriations Act. The bill provides $235 million for Israel toprocure the Iron Dome system.[44] The Israeli government has also agreed to spend more than half the funds the United States provides for the Iron Dome system in the United States. Funds going to U.S. contractors will increase to 30 percent in 2014 and 55 percent in 2015 from 3 percent previously, according to a U.S. Missile Defense Agency report to Congress.[45]"
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Why? Because the US MIC is hungry?

Initially it was a bribe to both Egypt and Israel to keep the Suez open and both countries from shooting each other. It's now become an indirect subsidy of Boeing/Lockheed Martin/General Electric.

It's a nice chunk of their budget, but the Israeli military budget is 24.3 billion in 2021. The Israelis won't be defenseless without the funds, but US Congressmen will have whiny MIC lobbyists wanting more.

Nazrin said:
The United States' job is to destabilize neighboring countries to Israel. It's to make sure there's no prominent force to attack Israel.
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The US' job is to destabilize countries that can threaten the Gulf states that supplies oil to Europe. If they wanted to destabilize countries that can pose a threat to Israel, it would be Jordan, Syria and Egypt. The United States gives the third largest amount of military aid to Egypt (after Israel and Afghanistan, although this is 2020 numbers).

Jordan only gets 500 mil in US military aid, but 2 billion of economic aid in 2020, the highest amount of economic aid to a country.

Syria was a shitshow but I'm going to make a guess that Israel preferred a stable Syria over fucking ISIS on their border. Generally if you destabilize countries, you'd want it to stay internal.

Instead, the US is focused on Iraq, and Iran, two countries who have rivalries with the Saudis.

Nazrin said:
Oh yeah, I'm aware of that. They were threatening to conduct the Samson Option. Also isnt 1960, only 12 years after the state of Israel was created?


So that gives them the right to just not give a shit about killing allies?
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"Hey if we're gonna fall we'll maybe nuke those involved in our fall if we have nukes" AKA MAD. If Canada was involved in the invasion of the US, Canada's gonna get nuked.

The US started being more active in Israel after the 1967 Six Day War as a counterbalance of Soviet influence in the Middle East. After the USS Liberty incident, which occurred during the Six Day War.

Alright, so let's get down to brass tacks. What exactly do you think should have happened between the US and Israel over the USS Liberty incident? The US goes to war over it with Israel? What, exactly?
 
Nazrin said:
The U.S. stops allying with Israel.
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And...goes into isolation? Changes allies to a nearby country? Leaves the Middle East altogether? What?

I'd much rather the Middle East be a European problem as they need Saudi oil FAR more than the US, yet it's the US who basically defends Kuwait/Saudi Arabia from their neighbors. Will Europe take up the mantle? Fuck no they've been undercutting their military for decades.
 
Just_Somebody said:
And...goes into isolation? Changes allies to a nearby country? Leaves the Middle East altogether? What?

I'd much rather the Middle East be a European problem as they need Saudi oil FAR more than the US, yet it's the US who basically defends Kuwait/Saudi Arabia from their neighbors. Will Europe take up the mantle? Fuck no they've been undercutting their military for decades.
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I'd much rather the Middle East be a Middle East issue.
 
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