Organ donation in 2022 - Is it still the right thing to do?

[Escaped Abortion]

There is a 100% chance that your organs will go to waste if you do not donate them.

That chance is lower if you donate them. How much? Even 50% is a good deal compared to 100%.

Again, don't want anyone benefiting my death. The 100% chance of my organs rotting in the ground or being burned to ash with the rest of me is a perk.

My last wish will be to send a note to the next person on the heart list to tell them I'll be holding a seat in Hell for them.

Did your dumbass seriously not know vaccinations were required before this covid shit?

They also deny people for associating with the unvaxxed, which no... was never a thing before. As I said, I have known organ transplant recipients and I was not forced to disclose my medical information before I was allowed in his presence. That's a new level of control they've wielded against people.

Also, it's wrong to take from someone you would not be willing to give to. Especially in the circumstance of living donors where it's too consenting adults and you should stay the fuck out of their business. They will know the risks they are getting into. They will be on immunosuppressants, and if they are willing to avoid certain shots, that's there choice. If I was okay with giving a person I know my kidney with that circumstance, that was my choice. Maybe they will die of the flu or maybe they won't. I obviously considered that possibility and if they are in such a desperate situation they have to go through with it, they are also fine with that risk.

 

[CrunkLord420]

Uhhhh, you need vaccinations to even be put on the list in the first place.

Do you have a source on that?
Source?
A source. I need a source.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.

 

[Suburban Bastard]

Do you have a source on that?
Source?
A source. I need a source.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.

Now I want to see you guess how long the process takes lmfao

 

[CrunkLord420]

Now I want to see you guess how long the process takes lmfao

It really shouldn't be hard to show me the procedure where flu vaccinations are required. I didn't even specify a country. You're actively refusing to substantiate your baseless claim while calling people a dumbass for being correct. If you're going to say something like that, you'd think you'd at least check if you're correct before being so aggressive about it.

 

[Suburban Bastard]

It really shouldn't be hard to show me the procedure where flu vaccinations are required. I didn't even specify a country. You're actively refusing to substantiate your baseless claim while calling people a dumbass for being correct. If you're going to say something like that, you'd think you'd at least check if you're correct before being so aggressive about it.

Because it's not some form or checklist they give you. In order to qualify for an organ transplant you need an evaluation. This process goes on for weeks, sometimes months. During which, they test whether your body will be able to take such an invasive surgery as well as anesthesia. They also check out your behavior, because if you do any addictive behaviors such as smoking or drinking, ESPECIALLY if they resulted in your need for the transplant in the first place, then they'll tell you to fuck off and give it to someone else who can control themselves. Past that, you are given a set of guidelines to follow while you await the transplant, which itself is also a lengthy fucking process. These guidelines include taking care of your health, refraining from drugs, and getting immunized from just about every major disease since you're going to be on immunosuppressants for the rest of your life. And should you refuse any of that, you simply won't be allowed to get the transplant and it will instead be sent to someone who can actually take care of themselves and therefore has a fighting chance.

 

[CrunkLord420]

Because it's not some form or checklist they give you. In order to qualify for an organ transplant you need an evaluation.

>doctors don't use checklists
LMAO, I can go to my local health authorities website and look up all sorts of "point systems" they give to doctors determine who gets what and when. You're just making stuff up, you cannot find a single reference a flu vaccination requirement, regardless of country. You cannot find it written anywhere, why is that? It's because you're wrong. You're appealing to the concept of individualized medicine while arguing for hard-line requirements without evidence-based medical justifications, how hilariously hypocritical of not just you but these health authorities who flip flop between germ theory denial circa March 2020 and whatever you want to call this insanity.

 

[Suburban Bastard]

>doctors don't use checklists
LMAO, I can go to my local health authorities website and look up all sorts of "point systems" they give to doctors determine who gets what and when. You're just making stuff up, you cannot find a single reference a flu vaccination requirement, regardless of country. You cannot find it written anywhere, why is that? It's because you're wrong. You're appealing to the concept of individualized medicine while arguing for hard-line requirements without evidence-based medical justifications, how hilariously hypocritical of not just you but these health authorities who flip flop between germ theory denial circa March 2020 and whatever you want to call this insanity.

Do you actually think getting an organ donation is an in and out process? Genuine question.

 

[GenericEdgelordSupreme]

Having an organ donor card is basically the same as having a DNR. Doctors always have patients that need organs, and I don't trust them not to let me die to harvest my organs to save their other patient they think deserves to live more than me. This reaffirms my decision; no way in hell I'm letting my skin become some faggot Frankenstein's new stinkditch.

 

[murph]

I am an organ donor because I read stories of the history of medicine where they'd have to dig up corpses from graveyards to have human bodies to examine. That's hardcore. And I don't care if someone else uses part of my body or if medical students shoot hoops with my head after I'm dead if it desensitizes them to the horror of death and how to deal with life.

I don't care if trannies can use any part of my body because it will eventually lead to sepsis and necrosis like all tranny surgeries.

Not worth it to take that "organ donor" thing off my license. I'm so old most of my parts won't be useful for transplanting, but maybe a medical student can make an all net basket with my skull. Don't care.

 

[Escaped Abortion]

I am an organ donor because I read stories of the history of medicine where they'd have to dig up corpses from graveyards to have human bodies to examine. That's hardcore. And I don't care if someone else uses part of my body or if medical students shoot hoops with my head after I'm dead if it desensitizes them to the horror of death and how to deal with life.

I don't care if trannies can use any part of my body because it will eventually lead to sepsis and necrosis like all tranny surgeries.

Not worth it to take that "organ donor" thing off my license. I'm so old most of my parts won't be useful for transplanting, but maybe a medical student can make an all net basket with my skull. Don't care.

Donating your body to science is a separate issue, as letting you fully die doesn't impede that.

You can actually have a normal, stopped heart death and then just be left to rot out in the decomposition field and be just as useful to science. Your body can be fully dead and be a practice autopsy for medical students, in fact, it's rather expected to be.

Some people do find it distasteful, due to religious beliefs, hence why they had to dig up graves in the past, but with so many beliefs and lack their off, there's a reasonable amount of bodies to go around now. Wouldn't be surprised if that's what they do with all the unclaimed homeless corpses. I guess I will not care too much what becomes of my body after I am 100% actually clinically dead and unable to be revived, I just don't want them to see a better pay day by tearing me apart while I'm still alive and just unable to fight them off.

I always thought it would be kind of interesting to have ones corpse preserved as a Mutter Museum exhibit, but again, that can happen after your body is nice and room temperature.

 

[std::string]

How do you know?

Because I'm very personally familiar with the protocol? The vast majority of organs come from young trauma patients where brain death has been confirmed. They're kept alive via mechanical ventilation or ECMO if necessary until the transplant team arrives and then they go to the OR and life support is discontinued.

Show me where flu vaccines are required for organ donation. Show me people who were denied organ donations due to refusal. Every single piece of literature I can find uses the term "recommended". The COVID vaccine is uniquely experimental (dangerous) and uniquely ineffective, despite that it is being used a stick against people with critical thinking skills.

Organ donation priority goes to who is most likely to survive and benefit from the donated organ, since they're in short supply. Just like we don't give hearts to 85 year olds or livers to cirrhosis patients who won't stop drinking, we don't give organs to morons who didn't get the vaccine. I'm sorry your basement-dwelling conspiracy theories don't line up with real-world practice, but that shouldn't be shocking to you by this point.

 

[Toolbox]

I already have issues that probably would make my internal organs not very useful by the time of my death, but for the remaining ones that would have some function no I will not opt in. For the covid shit, but also for the general negligence in what bodies donated to science can be used for otherwise.

There is no standard for what a cadaver will be used for once the life is gone. It's a complete shitshow and I won't support it.

 

[Trump's Chosen]

Because I'm very personally familiar with the protocol? The vast majority of organs come from young trauma patients where brain death has been confirmed. They're kept alive via mechanical ventilation or ECMO if necessary until the transplant team arrives and then they go to the OR and life support is discontinued.

Is protocol always followed 100% accurately and is this true for every hospital?

 

[std::string]

Is protocol always followed 100% accurately and is this true for every hospital?

It'd be a gigantic wrongful death lawsuit if hospital personnel actively killed a patient to harvest their organs.

You tell me.

 

[Trump's Chosen]

It'd be a gigantic wrongful death lawsuit if hospital personnel actively killed a patient to harvest their organs.

You tell me.

Well yes, but only if people find out. And even if they find out, can they prove it beyond reasonable doubt?

 

[glass_houses]

I have a close relative who received a donor organ after many years of health problems caused by an autoimmune disorder. This relative is my best friend and rock. My relationship with her is the most important relationship in my life. I am so grateful to the family of her donor. I honestly don't know if I'd even be alive without her.

So yes, I am an organ donor and I encourage others to sign up. Yes, there is a chance that my skin could end up lining a tranny's neovagina, but it's not like I'm going to be around to know about it.

 

[Vecr]

And even if they find out, can they prove it beyond reasonable doubt?

You don't have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt in most civil lawsuits, it could be preponderance of the evidence or something similar.

 

[std::string]

You don't have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt in most civil lawsuits, it could be preponderance of the evidence or something similar.

Yeah it's preponderance of the evidence.

It'd be easy for a lawyer to subpoena all the charts involved in a case, and well, how many wrongful death lawsuits for organ harvesting were successful?

It's a completely retarded point of view to hold.

 

[Trump's Chosen]

You don't have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt in most civil lawsuits, it could be preponderance of the evidence or something similar.

Yeah it's preponderance of the evidence.

It'd be easy for a lawyer to subpoena all the charts involved in a case, and well, how many wrongful death lawsuits for organ harvesting were successful?

It's a completely retarded point of view to hold.

I don't know much about this subject. Or law. But I am inherently skeptical when anyone says x can not happen, where all that's needed is motive and deceit for any x to happen.

Particularly skeptical of health professionals, because so few have spoken up during a recent health scandal (pfizer now admitted under oath they had no evidence for their vaccine reducing transmission).

Just a quick google:
China:

Researchers Discover Chinese Harvesting of Organs Before Brain Death

An analysis of published papers in Chinese language journals provides evidence of decades of widespread organ harvesting from individuals who are still alive.

www.webmd.com

Harvested Alive 10 Years Investigation of Force Organ Harvesting （New 5 28 2017）

As a doctor, Zhiyuan Wang spent 30 years studying how to save lives. He never imagined that he would spend another 10 years investigating how Chinese doctors...

youtu.be

US:

Organs Harvested Prematurely?

Colo. Coroner: Two Hospitals Jumped Gun In Allowing Organ Removal

www.cbsnews.com

The Disputed Death of an 8-Year-Old Whose Organs Were Donated

The hospital used a once-controversial but increasingly common donation procedure.

www.theatlantic.com

No Brain Death? No Problem. New Organ Transplant Protocol Stirs Debate.

Is it ethical to pull the plug in patients who aren't brain dead, then restart their hearts?

www.medpagetoday.com

Repeat again for me how this could not happen? How it's retarded to think that somewhere this might indeed happen?

 

[Toolbox]

I don't know much about this subject. Or law. But I am inherently skeptical when anyone says x can not happen, where all that's needed is motive and deceit for any x to happen.

Particularly skeptical of health professionals, because so few have spoken up during a recent health scandal (pfizer now admitted under oath they had no evidence for their vaccine reducing transmission).

Just a quick google:
China:

Researchers Discover Chinese Harvesting of Organs Before Brain Death

An analysis of published papers in Chinese language journals provides evidence of decades of widespread organ harvesting from individuals who are still alive.

www.webmd.com

Harvested Alive 10 Years Investigation of Force Organ Harvesting （New 5 28 2017）

As a doctor, Zhiyuan Wang spent 30 years studying how to save lives. He never imagined that he would spend another 10 years investigating how Chinese doctors...

youtu.be

US:

Organs Harvested Prematurely?

Colo. Coroner: Two Hospitals Jumped Gun In Allowing Organ Removal

www.cbsnews.com

The Disputed Death of an 8-Year-Old Whose Organs Were Donated

The hospital used a once-controversial but increasingly common donation procedure.

www.theatlantic.com

No Brain Death? No Problem. New Organ Transplant Protocol Stirs Debate.

Is it ethical to pull the plug in patients who aren't brain dead, then restart their hearts?

www.medpagetoday.com

Repeat again for me how this could not happen? How it's retarded to think that somewhere this might indeed happen?

It's pathetic to see that even after all the covid bullshit in every nation, that even before that will years of pharma getting away with horrors or only being punished lightly, that people will try to convince us that no, the moral, law, ethics standards are still the same. While in the same breath saying those who didn't take the fauxccine should not be allowed medical treatment.