Overwatch

[Thiletonomics]

To be fair to all other companies, it's not as if they manage that by selling the world's greatest games. Having a monopoly on the PC gaming market leaves them free to make business decisions other companies couldn't dream of. It's a weird thing for a fanbase to be proud of.

And a lot of people put Valve in high regards, just because of that. Those people even go so far as to refusing to play games that are on any other gaming marketplace platform, i.e. Epic, Microsoft Store, EA's Origin, Ubisoft's store (whatever it's called), Blizzard's Battle.Net, all because "It's Not Steam".

 

[BlazikenLover]

And a lot of people put Valve in high regards, just because of that. Those people even go so far as to refusing to play games that are on any other gaming marketplace platform, i.e. Epic, Microsoft Store, EA's Origin, Ubisoft's store (whatever it's called), Blizzard's Battle.Net, all because "It's Not Steam".

Many have good reasons and the main one is that many of the storefronts that appeared through the early 2010s weren't good, like origin (and later ea put their games back on steam anyways), others like gog or humble bundle found niches and remain till today, while some like desura (they sold indie games and had their own steam like client at one point) went under.
Like it or not, Steam has been going since 2003, it is reliable and has many useful features which many of the new clients launch without (to which people cry STEAM DIDNT LAUNCH WITH THOSE EITHEE, to which I say yes but if you are gonna compete with it your product needs to match some of those newer features). People trust valve, if they buy a game from steam then 5 years from now steam and its servers will keep existing, meanwhile you don't know if whatever new storefront which sells only games from that company and is only a thing due to shareholder or the ceo whims will still exist 5 years down the line. And even if your game is still playable, the servers which relied on the storefront's framework might now (remember GFWL?)
Or maybe they don't want to install another launcher for the tenth time.

Personally I got a bad first impression from battlenet because of the overwatch open beta, there was some crap happening (I think permissions) that wouldn't let me launch the game, many people were having that same issue and if this is on your open beta, which is many people's first experience with the game and a deciding factor if they buy it or not then it is not gonna be a positive one.
I may have had technical issues with OW one more time after that, but not with any of the other blizzard games I owned/tried.
I'll give actiblizz props for adding other games to their launcher (CoD, sekiro) so it is not just one exclusively for blizzard games.

I also think people love to shit on valve and its fans too much simply because valve are beloved. Believe me, I have/had my issues with valve and some questionable choices they made, but I feel a lot of the hate is misdirected.

 

[Mega Man II Intro - GB]

As you can tell by the image she's one of the sexy "Femme Fatales" of the game and has some of the most fan service oriented skins and emotes in the game. ( Seriously Evil Mojo knows which type of skins sell and they deliver, this is the cosmetic they made for her last Halloween:

I respect people who know how to make money in their chosen business. That's a pretty good skin. Obviously the game isn't at OW levels of detail but who needs it? I'm just running and gunning and cooming. Sounds good I'll main Skye after I get some practice in.

And a lot of people put Valve in high regards, just because of that. Those people even go so far as to refusing to play games that are on any other gaming marketplace platform, i.e. Epic, Microsoft Store, EA's Origin, Ubisoft's store (whatever it's called), Blizzard's Battle.Net, all because "It's Not Steam".

They don't think about how Valve is actually run by rich White men who sit around doing jack shit while all the people grateful to be hired (because, again, the psychology of even the workers in the industry is fucked up) are working their asses off to keep things running.

Gabe Newell should spread a false rumor that he grabs pussy just to laugh at how they can't leave.
"I despise the man who runs Steam... but all my games are there. Is it morally acceptable to stay on Steam?"

 

[Spatula]

This is just a glorified patch they are trying to sell for 60 dollars.
Game dead on arrival.

 

[Power Glove]

This is just a glorified patch they are trying to sell for 60 dollars.
Game dead on arrival.

I think a lot of it will depend on how expanded this PvE part of the game will be. Which is the whole justification for making this a sequel to begin with. All the rest could have been a rework patch of the original, I'll agree with you on that one. I don't really see how they are gonna entice new players to give the game a chance. The majority of the OW 2 playerbase are gonna be OW 1 veterans, and I can't think of a more miserable experience constantly going up against those people, regardless of how they claim the matchmaking is gonna be balanced. It wasn't balanced in OW 1 and it will certainly not be in this one.

If the PvE aspect is something that is actually pretty fun to jump into from time to time, I might consider it, but I somehow doubt it'll be anything substantial. It'll probably be a repackaging of the older PvE events or some iteration thereon, like Junkenstein's Revenge.

 

[Takodachi]

Goddamn the game is bad.
Supports had little to no changes, while Tanks and DPS got all the fun reworks, not to mention the near removal of CC on DPS/Supports.
Hey, remember how everyone hated the Dive meta like a year ago and nerfed characters that abused it? Blizzard certainly doesn't because this change is gonna bring the dreaded meta with force.

Also fuck you Blizard, stop messing with D.va Armor/HP pool, she is already a shit main tank, reducing her armor is gonna make her unviable.

 

[Pissmaster]

And a lot of people put Valve in high regards, just because of that. Those people even go so far as to refusing to play games that are on any other gaming marketplace platform, i.e. Epic, Microsoft Store, EA's Origin, Ubisoft's store (whatever it's called), Blizzard's Battle.Net, all because "It's Not Steam".

I'm one of those, lol.

Steam's controller support is better than anyone's by a country mile, and offers painless remote play, which I use a lot. I haven't touched Overwatch in years because I just don't want to go through the rigmarole of installing Battle.net and dealing with their stupid-ass 2FA, which I had to use, because I don't want to be on hold with Blizzard customer support for another hour over some chink hacking my copy of WoW I haven't touched since the Bush administration. It's a shitty hassle just to give one game another shot that's been going downhill since the last time I played.

Also, Ubisoft games on Steam require you to install and use Ubisoft Connect anyway. It's not great, either.

 

[Kane Lives]

Many have good reasons and the main one is that many of the storefronts that appeared through the early 2010s weren't good, like origin (and later ea put their games back on steam anyways), others like gog or humble bundle found niches and remain till today, while some like desura (they sold indie games and had their own steam like client at one point) went under.
Like it or not, Steam has been going since 2003, it is reliable and has many useful features which many of the new clients launch without (to which people cry STEAM DIDNT LAUNCH WITH THOSE EITHEE, to which I say yes but if you are gonna compete with it your product needs to match some of those newer features). People trust valve, if they buy a game from steam then 5 years from now steam and its servers will keep existing, meanwhile you don't know if whatever new storefront which sells only games from that company and is only a thing due to shareholder or the ceo whims will still exist 5 years down the line. And even if your game is still playable, the servers which relied on the storefront's framework might now (remember GFWL?)
Or maybe they don't want to install another launcher for the tenth time.

Personally I got a bad first impression from battlenet because of the overwatch open beta, there was some crap happening (I think permissions) that wouldn't let me launch the game, many people were having that same issue and if this is on your open beta, which is many people's first experience with the game and a deciding factor if they buy it or not then it is not gonna be a positive one.
I may have had technical issues with OW one more time after that, but not with any of the other blizzard games I owned/tried.
I'll give actiblizz props for adding other games to their launcher (CoD, sekiro) so it is not just one exclusively for blizzard games.

I also think people love to shit on valve and its fans too much simply because valve are beloved. Believe me, I have/had my issues with valve and some questionable choices they made, but I feel a lot of the hate is misdirected.

Valve support for countries outside the EU and Americas is unparalleled, and the main selling point for it in the third world. Till this day, EGS has not managed to implement regional pricing, nor did any of the big competitors to Steam (not even GOG has it, and its considered to be pretty established at this point). I know, in this day of Paypal and almost seamless foreign exchange its probably a moot feature. But it is extremely convenient to be able to see things priced in my local currency and be able to use local payment methods for Steam. Its the little things that count and why people continue to trust Valve over any other storefront.

On topic, however, I been following OW2 out of morbid curiosity. Safe to say, however, there's nearly zero hype for it in this part of the world.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Valve support for countries outside the EU and Americas is unparalleled, and the main selling point for it in the third world. Till this day, EGS has not managed to implement regional pricing, nor did any of the big competitors to Steam (not even GOG has it, and its considered to be pretty established at this point). I know, in this day of Paypal and almost seamless foreign exchange its probably a moot feature. But it is extremely convenient to be able to see things priced in my local currency and be able to use local payment methods for Steam. Its the little things that count and why people continue to trust Valve over any other storefront.

On topic, however, I been following OW2 out of morbid curiosity. Safe to say, however, there's nearly zero hype for it in this part of the world.

Regarding the Steam situation with Russia, I am still in awe that some people want Valve to flat out ban Russians from using Steam at all, even though Steam is already in a limited state there, because Russians can't buy games from there due to the sanctions. Compare that to say, how Sony and Polyphony Digital decided to completely block Russian players from playing Gran Turismo 7.

I do wonder if OW2 actually coming out, and flopping, will draw attention to competing hero shooter games, i.e. TF2, Paladins, Rainbow6 Siege (somewhat), VALORANT (somewhat), etc.

 

[Kane Lives]

Regarding the Steam situation with Russia, I am still in awe that some people want Valve to flat out ban Russians from using Steam at all, even though Steam is already in a limited state there, because Russians can't buy games from there due to the sanctions. Compare that to say, how Sony and Polyphony Digital decided to completely block Russian players from playing Gran Turismo 7.

I do wonder if OW2 actually coming out, and flopping, will draw attention to competing hero shooter games, i.e. TF2, Paladins, Rainbow6 Siege (somewhat), VALORANT (somewhat), etc.

Unlikely, imo. Hero shooters have been on a plateau/mild downward trend for quite some time. Doubtful we'll see any major movements in player count.

 

[Power Glove]

Goddamn the game is bad.
Supports had little to no changes, while Tanks and DPS got all the fun reworks, not to mention the near removal of CC on DPS/Supports.
Hey, remember how everyone hated the Dive meta like a year ago and nerfed characters that abused it? Blizzard certainly doesn't because this change is gonna bring the dreaded meta with force.

Also fuck you Blizard, stop messing with D.va Armor/HP pool, she is already a shit main tank, reducing her armor is gonna make her unviable.

They messing with D.VA again? That was one of the few heroes I actually enjoyed playing.
Maybe I haven't been watching the right streamers but I see nothing I like anymore. The combat is just a chaotic mess and maybe I'm just getting too old for that sort of thing. Then again Doom Eternal is fast and chaotic too and I actually whole-heartedly enjoy the combat in that game.

 

[I don't swear]

Watching streamers, Soldier is dummy OP. Sojourn is just a worse soldier, Surefour (ex-pro turned streamer) noticed that the railgun has a bad hitbox meaning that it's hard to get the headshots that, I think, will one-shot people. Her primary is also just straight up trash compared to S76.

Supports got Mercy passive and that's it. Ana and Zen will do their job but also die.

Doom hounds supports like there's no tomorrow and he doesn't die easily, so still an unfun experience as the other team.

The no CC thing is whatever to me. Roadhog hook looks worse than it ever has. Reading ResetEra (I know), they're aiming for 4 new heroes, amongst other things and probably another new game mode. All in all, being a support main that plays Ana, Bap, Zen, Mercy may be worse, but with no shields and 5v5, it's a chaotic change that splits both ways for us. Also, people kinda not die when I watched ex-pros do in-houses and Ult charge takes forever now.

Edit: Cassidy will always be a dumb name. Nowhere near as catchy as McCree.

 

[Anachronistic]

Compare that to say, how Sony and Polyphony Digital decided to completely block Russian players from playing Gran Turismo 7.

Honestly it sounds like Sony did them a favor doing that.

 

[Yuri_]

This is just a glorified patch they are trying to sell for 60 dollars.
Game dead on arrival.

I was expecting swish new graphics and a bunch of other nice stuff. This shit was unbelievably low effort.

Guess I shouldn't be surprised given the state of the industry

 

[I don't swear]

This is just a glorified patch they are trying to sell for 60 dollars.
Game dead on arrival.

You're only paying full price if you never owned OW1 and/or you want the PvE. Since I have OW1, I'll get the updates to OW2. Same with the beta drop; people are unable to play the beta if they don't own OW1. Unless I'm critically erring.

 

[YourFriendlyLurker]

The question everyone must put to that patch they call OW2 is monetisation. PVE sales would be shitty, so what's the plan then? I highly dount they will continiue relying on lootboxes, so what is left is a battle pass.

 

[Sho'nuff]

I've been playing OW (on and off) since alpha and well, OW2 isn't great. They lost sight of what made OW unique and fun and have further diluted it into OW2.
Getting close to being just another shooter.

 

[BlazikenLover]

I am expecting blizzard to market the shit out of OW2 just like they did with the original and thus getting players solely because "it's what everyone is playing!". Yet at the same time I have a feeling it won't work so well this time and they won't last if the game is mediocre, it doesn't help their content output is terrible (they had slowed way down even before the whole sexual harassment drama lawsuits), I get there are bound to be content droughts if the team is working on the sequel but all they have to show after 3 years is a single new hero and some reworks?
In a world where you got games like fortnite shitting out new content (both cosmetics and not) weekly, an update with fuckall content every few months will no longer cut it when it comes to holding people's attention, even small studios/teams manage to put up sizeable updates in the time it takes blizzard to release one new hero. Of course they won't need to put out new skins/heroes as often if they do make an enjoyable game but chances are the gameplay will be shallow and dull.

I do wonder if OW2 actually coming out, and flopping, will draw attention to competing hero shooter games, i.e. TF2, Paladins, Rainbow6 Siege (somewhat), VALORANT (somewhat), etc.

I am wondering the same but for co-op shooters like deep rock galactic.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

i wonder why they still dont have a 8vs8 or 12vs12 mode you can play or a free for all where you can be 6 soldiers or 6 roadhogs. you know, fun stuff.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

i wonder why they still dont have a 8vs8 or 12vs12 mode you can play or a free for all where you can be 6 soldiers or 6 roadhogs. you know, fun stuff.

12 reinhardts on the payload