Paradox Studio Thread

[millais]

Paradox games frustrate the hell out of me.

I love the historical stuff. I love the ideas and things like Kaiserreich and everything. But everytime I try to boot up Vic 2 or HOI 3, I remember that I hate using Excel during the workday, so why would I waste doing it on my own time? Then the DLC which turns the sprites you used Excel for into purdy sprites comes in packs and slices that make Train Simulator's DLC policy look sane. And the community is just-ew.

I want to enjoy their products, but god is it just the worst. For RTS i'll just stick to Blitzkrieg and Codename Panzers, and for Turn Based, CIV3 made me into the history nut I am today and it's still great. I understand these are more indepth compared to most games, but I want to play something where I can turn it on, and understand it pretty quickly. If i'm an hour or two in and I'm trying to figure out why Galicia isn't producing enough metal for my artillery factories and I can't recruit an artillery piece and needed to look through thirteen spreadsheets while Prussia is about to make the North German Confederation because my influence in Saxony is decreasing and thirty pop up notifications hit me, I'm going to turn it off and refund because fuck that.

As I said, I want to like these games, and they seem really neat to me, but I spend enough time doing inventory and bureaucracy on MS Office at the warehouse, I'm not doing it on my off time.

They dumbed down HOI4 for casuals so it's now arguably their most accessible title.

 

[iRON-mAn]

From the Paradox twitch stream, confirmation that the Muwallad strain of Islam in CK3 is, by default, accepting of gay and lesbian relationships.

 

[Kane Lives]

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From the Paradox twitch stream, confirmation that the Muwallad strain of Islam in CK3 is, by default, accepting of gay and lesbian relationships.

This is sure to delight all five progressive muslim players.

 

[Imperialist #348]

they better hope mechmed down the street doesnt find out their bullshitting his religion, or he'll show them some real acceptance, of allahs light. is anyone actually excited for CK3? what with modern paradox?

 

[millais]

they better hope mechmed down the street doesnt find out their bullshitting his religion, or he'll show them some real acceptance, of allahs light. is anyone actually excited for CK3? what with modern paradox?

I think ISIS is actually down with Paradox games. In their propaganda videos, they have been known to use Europa Universalis map edits in order to show the planned extent of their caliphate.

 

[Stoneheart]

I think ISIS is actually down with Paradox games. In their propaganda videos, they have been known to use Europa Universalis map edits in order to show the planned extent of their caliphate.

you cant remove institutions from a region so how is this supposed to work?

 

[millais]

you cant remove institutions from a region so how is this supposed to work?

They didn't make the Caliphate in the game. They just took screenshots of the in-game map and used photoshop to color in all the territory that they want in their Caliphate.

 

[Stoneheart]

They just took screenshots of the in-game map and used photoshop to color in all the territory that they want in their Caliphate.

Using Photoshop to paint a map in a map painting game ? thats super retarded and sounds alot like them.

 

[Guardian G.I.]

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From the Paradox twitch stream, confirmation that the Muwallad strain of Islam in CK3 is, by default, accepting of gay and lesbian relationships.

Likely a reference to the more lax attitude to gay relationships (in Ancient Greek and Roman sense, most often) among the real life Al-Andalusian elite and in early Islam in general. Certain Muslim rulers of the time did keep male harems, after all.

 

[iRON-mAn]

Likely a reference to the more lax attitude to gay relationships (in Ancient Greek and Roman sense, most often) among the real life Al-Andalusian elite and in early Islam in general. Certain Muslim rulers of the time did keep male harems, after all.

Not really. People like to uphold the Greeks and Romans as progressive, but mostly because they didn't have words to distinguish between homosexuality and heterosexuality. But not having a word for being gay doesn't mean they were accepting. The problem is that, in their cultures, it had much more to do with power than desire. Roman law forbade male to male relations between men of equal status because it would require one to be put in a position of dominance over another. So they could screw all the male slaves and prostitutes they wanted, but when it came to people they thought actually mattered? Nope.

There's also no examples of outright gay Muslim leaders. At best, they either kept both male and female harems, and at worst there's some dispute in Al-Hakim II's case whether it was just a preference for choosing his underage son above his adult brothers and nephews. But none of these men were able to come out and state that they preferred men because to do so would have been in direct violation of the Quran. I'm not saying some of those men weren't gay, I'm sure they were, but to brand their cultures as 'accepting' is excessively rose-tinted.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Not really. People like to uphold the Greeks and Romans as progressive, but mostly because they didn't have words to distinguish between homosexuality and heterosexuality. But not having a word for being gay doesn't mean they were accepting. The problem is that, in their cultures, it had much more to do with power than desire. Roman law forbade male to male relations between men of equal status because it would require one to be put in a position of dominance over another. So they could screw all the male slaves and prostitutes they wanted, but when it came to people they thought actually mattered? Nope.

There's also no examples of outright gay Muslim leaders. At best, they either kept both male and female harems, and at worst there's some dispute in Al-Hakim II's case whether it was just a preference for choosing his underage son above his adult brothers and nephews. But none of these men were able to come out and state that they preferred men because to do so would have been in direct violation of the Quran. I'm not saying some of those men weren't gay, I'm sure they were, but to brand their cultures as 'accepting' is excessively rose-tinted.

No you're wrong, everything was as gay as Modern California throughout history. The problem was capitalism and 1950's America that made homosexuality bad.

Netflix and BBC told me so.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Likely a reference to the more lax attitude to gay relationships (in Ancient Greek and Roman sense, most often) among the real life Al-Andalusian elite and in early Islam in general. Certain Muslim rulers of the time did keep male harems, after all.

Remember the decadence mechanic in CK2? That's what that mechanic represented since "drunk sultan sodomizing boys" was stereotypical decadence that meant said ruler should be overthrown for crimes against Allah. Just because sultans and emirs got to fucking young boys didn't mean anybody considered it okay, anymore than all those sultans were usually drunk off their ass. This got Muslim dynasties overthrown by powerful imams and the tribal rulers who followed them since they were practicing an abomination of Islam and these tribes and imams were practicing true and honest Islam.

 

[iRON-mAn]

Remember the decadence mechanic in CK2?

That's been scrubbed from CK3 too.

 

[Kane Lives]

That's been scrubbed from CK3 too.

As if we needed the great green blob (Fatimids) from early CK2 yet again.

 

[Snekposter]

By Allah, if they call this historical accuracy I will shoot myself right here and now.

 

[iRON-mAn]

By Allah, if they call this historical accuracy I will shoot myself right here and now.

There's a thread about it on the paradox forums. Most of the replies are making the same argument that @Guardian G.I. made, while any time it's brought up that the Quran expressly forbids homosexuality and sodomy, they just claim that 'Islam is not a monolithic religion' and is open to interpretation. Although I haven't seen any of the devs actually weigh in on the issue.

It's funny because there's a thread below it talking about the removal of the 769 start, with one point in favor being: ' Too much unknown history - CK3 devs want more accurate history'.

 

[Jimjamflimflam]

That's been scrubbed from CK3 too.

I bet it will be added back in later in a 20$ dlc

 

[Slimy Time]

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From the Paradox twitch stream, confirmation that the Muwallad strain of Islam in CK3 is, by default, accepting of gay and lesbian relationships.

This is great, I can't wait to play a Muslim faction that makes fucking other guys completely acceptable and encouraged. Turn the Muslims into a bunch of faggots. Great concept.

 

[cuÞbert]

This is great, I can't wait to play a Muslim faction that makes fucking other guys completely acceptable and encouraged. Turn the Muslims into a bunch of faggots. Great concept.

I'm not an expert on the subject, but from the preliminary research I've done, Muwallad is more an ethnic identifier than religious. They were people of mixed Berber and Iberian ancestry that were a little loose on certain Islamic teachings, being fond of heavy alcohol use and even observing Catholic holidays and sacraments. I see nothing about same sex unions; I chalk this up to Paradox being pozzed again, as most modern things coming out of Sweden.

I'm really not interested in CK 3 (no Deus Vult + being very burnt out on Paradox's DLC policy) and the only game by Paradox that would get me excited would be a Victoria III that starts in 1821 so I can ensure the survival of the Bourbon dynasty in France and crush socialist uprisings Rohm style.

On a different note, has anyone played the Imperium Universalis mod? Its a total conversion of EU IV set in ancient times that looks a lot better than Imperator Rome. Unfortunately its incompatible with the newest version of the game and the developer isn't planning on porting it.

 

[wopirish]

If I'm not mistaken there was a photo of one of the devs on CK3 whos twitter read out that capitalism was evil and other dumb shit. Maybe they should release the game for free then.
I've tried finding it again to no avail. The name went along the lines or morgena_ or something like that. Given everything else the swedes have been upto it wouldn't surprise me.