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Here's a bunch of weird screenshots I thought I'd share:
This is from my Norse India game and... well, I'll let the title of my screenshots speak for themselves.
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Yeah, yeah, I know, steppe hordes invading Bulgaria or the Byzantines isn't that odd and them being (((steppe hordes))) doesn't make that any different. What's amazing is that he didn't get removed in favour of the many Orthodox claimants to Bulgaria, or that he actually managed to convert his vassals to Judaism, or that the Byzantines didn't holy war him.
Now some of you might be wondering what the grey blob in Epirus is.
Here we have a Norse adventurer who was born into the ruling family of Åland and who decided to conquer Venice. This isn't too odd for an 867 start and I've definitely seen things like the Petty Kingdom of Benevento or whatever appear as the Karlings balkanise. What is odd is that he won an invasion of the Byzantine Empir- sorry, Miklágarð.
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Of course, because Gorn's co-religionists were halfway across the world, the Crusaders won and told the Byzantines "lolno" when asked if they'd like to give Greece back.View attachment 2172288
Don't ask me why he became Greek - I've seen worse, including a Welsh King of Jerusalem deciding to start speaking Arabic and calling his country Filastin - but he seems desperate to form Jerusalem (sorry, Philisteia) a few hundred years early. I left those silly Latins to do whatever it is Franks larping as Greeks do and went on trying to bring Norse culture and Nestorianism to India. Until one day the Pope decided to call another Crusade. Expecting it to be for the Holy Land or for England which had just BTFO by a Norse prepared invasion, I was surprised to see a crusade for... Greece?
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This, kids, is why if you happen to be in charge of a crusader kingdom and your nice Court Chaplain tells you all about what a good idea becoming a heretic is, you throw him in the dungeon.
On the theme of Greek weirdness, the Byzantine Empress has managed to occupy the capital of her enemies which is, er... Constantinople!
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I'm assuming that the Ecumenical Patriarch sided against her in a faction revolt, although that doesn't explain why she hasn't been excommunicated.
What I always find odd is how Byzantium manages to get destroyed by Muslims and revolts if the AI holds it but the second I take it over, it stays incredibly stable and all I have to do is park my spymaster in a province every now and again and, at worst, revoke a few vassal duchies.
Today we can learn that Indian aristocrats name their children in the same way I name random files on my computer:
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It's right up there with what happens if the Welsh take over Scotland (from a different game of mine)
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The Welsh seem insistent on naming their towns in the same way Virgin Media creates wifi passwords.
Don't even ask me what happened here.
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The way he has a strong claim on Scotland plus the way he's in the title history of Scotland would suggest he held the Kingdom of Scotland, but he doesn't hold any strong claims on counties which usually happens when someone loses a title. He's also a Child of Destiny, which probably means he invaded Scotland, but he can't have had a host as he doesn't have any troops.
I also tried to do an achievement run by going for Defender of the Holy Sepulchre (hold the Kingdom of Jerusalem after a successful First Crusade starting as Eustache de Boulogne), Crusader King (hold the Kingdom of Jerusalem starting in 1066), Protector of the Holy Places (have Rome, Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem in your realm) and finish off with Deus Vult (form the Empire of the Outremer).
The game decided to change my plans by throwing all sorts of weird shit at me.
First off, as anyone who plays 1066 knows, what normally ends up happening is that William lands in London and BTFO's Godwinson while Hardrada just sieges down the North. William takes the crown and founds his bloodline, then because Hardrada controls a lot of the North loses one battle, surrenders, and Hardrada unites the English and Norwegian crowns before they split on his death. Whoever gets England traditionally gets chucked out by the English lords, and for some reason it's usually in favour of Edgar Atheling although I've seen the Knytlings or the Duke of Mercia get the throne. However, this time that didn't go to plan:
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He still has his event troops, but lost his invasion. I'm guessing he was imprisoned while leading his troops? Either way, as you can see from the cultural names, England is still under Anglo-Saxon rule - and by a Godwinson, too:
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Hardrada white peaced out, then died peacefully, and his son still has a claim on England, but has no intention of pressing it:
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However, the French weren't going to be persuaded that easily to leave the idea of conquering England alone, and so this happened:
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Now, how often do you see these two things?
First off, the Fatimids.
Normally the Fatimids do badly (because they're a weak, decadent Shi'a dynasty surrounded by Sunnis) and fall to a decadence invasion which gets cleaned up by Bedouins, Copts and Crusaders. Not this time, however:
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So, they actually held on to Egypt and Jerusalem (which is pretty impressive given Egypt is still Coptic and Jerusalem is Sunni) and so far they've managed to reclaim Tripolitania and Sicily and are just about to take Tunis, as well as bringing their decadence down to the point where they don't have to risk revolts. It'll be interesting to see how the First Crusade does against them or whether they manage to beat Genoa, which seems pretty determined to take North Africa for itself.

Oh, and the Doukas family didn't just stay on the Byzantine throne:
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but managed to beat the Seljuks in the first war for Armenia, and is currently beating their attempt to invade Anatolia off:
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Finally, have some funny things I saw:
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I have no idea why he, of all people, is invading the HRE, but if it stops them blobbing then I'm all for it.
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This is funnier if you know that "akka" means "old hag" or "bitch" in modern Finnish.
Khazar Horde according to some sources did convert to Judaism .
 
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Khazar Horde according to some sources did convert to Judaism .
They did, and the Khazars are Jews in the 867 start, which makes them one of the most popular candidates for founding Israel because you can just invade Jerusalem instead of dicking around with holy wars. (forming Israel is something I'm tempted to do, incidentally, but I'm not sure if I'll do the Khazars, the Falashas or something else.)

Incidentally, there's a prize for anyone who can spot what's wrong with this image:
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If you're that curious about why I'm posting this image here I'll put an explanation in my spoiler:
I got fed up with tard wrangling crusaders and geting my arse kicked by Fatimid doomstacks, so I decided to play a nice, relaxing game with a mod that adds African Romance and Pannonian cultures. I thought I'd start as an African ruler and reconquer Mauretania from the Muslim petty kingdoms. The result is this:
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This is a 769 start, so this all happened in less than 50 years. Religiously, Mauretania looks like this:
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The Catholic faith is no longer the religion of a few Berber coastal towns and Latin villages it was fifty years ago and now covers almost all the coast, as well as Mauretania's overseas possessions with the exception of the recently conquered Sardinia.
Crowned by the Pope himself, Rei Serbastianu d'Africa is a sight to behold, having personally orchestrated the reconquest of Sardinia from the iconoclast Byzantines by the clever strategem of "waiting for the Bolghars to try and attack Constantinople and then declaring war" - incidentally the same tactic his grandfather used to conquer the Balearics. He also managed to conquer Valencia from the Ummayads and pushed the Ibadis back into the interior after a rebellion in Algiers.
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His grandfather, who started a resurgence of African culture:
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and his father, who converted to Christianity along with half his vassals, later becoming a zealous Christian:
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(don't ask me why he's a court physician)

Of course, every Christian state surrounded by Muslims needs a good enemy, and Mauretania is no exception:
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Yes, the Abbablob ate the Kingdom of Africa due to inheritance between cousins. No, it hasn't been interested in me and prefers to ass-rape the Hindus and Zunists. Yes, I'd rather it stay that way.
The Ummayads haven't really been that threatening and I actually managed to grab Marrakesh (back when I was Ibadi) and Valencia (as a Catholic) off them. They've preferred to expand to the north - as you can see they grabbed Galicia off Asturias, managed to get Navarre back after losing a holy war for it, and will probably pick on Italy which got Barcelona a few years ago next. Sardinia fell into my hands after I decided that an ambitious, wrathful king with a zealous father would surely want to do something about his Sardinian brothers being under the yoke of heretics and granted myself claims to its counties with the console. Before you insult me for cheating, remember that I had about half as many troops as Byzantium on a good day and that I only won because the Byzantine AI tried (and failed) to stop Muslim Wallachia invading Thrace.

And now, just like in every CK2 game I play, here are the obligatory bloopers:

Have you ever felt seasick? Just read the Koran and you, too, will learn that drinking ginger is apparently a Muslim cure-all!
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On the topic of Islam, this king seems to be very religiously confused:
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This guy (who's weird enough since he's an independent nomad with a king-level title) magically turned up with 500 Manichaean horsemen and started raiding an inland province in the Maghreb.
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For reference, this is what came up when I clicked on his coat of arms:
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My favourite book to read is the The Bible.
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At least it isn't on the level of Paradox's classic religious errors such as "Are you a Jewish?", "The difference between a Catholic and a Catholic is that...", "Tengri will strike down their 'Tengri'!", or my personal favourite:
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Looks like the announcement for Victoria 3 got leaked...

Paradox is so far gone by now that I'm really only interested in Vicky 3 via the myriad of ways Paradox will fuck this up rather than a genuine interest in the game. The hype and expectations versus reality will be amazing to watch. Like a more autistic tankie Cyberpunk meltdown.
IMO it's fake
 
Royal Court looks promising. Considering how enjoyable Northern Lords is, I’m certain it’ll be great fun for all of 20 hours before I figure out the cheese. I hope it makes peace time actually interesting. Honestly, playing small is where the game is most fun, but it’s too easy to break.
 
With the recent Paradox announcements, it did make me think of this "What If" situation. They said that the only reason that Cities Skylines was greenlit, was because of how badly SimCity 2013 failed on launch. But what if SC2013 was (even though it won't happen because EA LOL) actually a good and successful game? Would Paradox not have gotten more spotlight, since C:S wouldn't have been made? Does the Cities Skylines player base even crosses over with other Paradox games?
 
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Looks like the announcement for Victoria 3 got leaked...

Paradox is so far gone by now that I'm really only interested in Vicky 3 via the myriad of ways Paradox will fuck this up rather than a genuine interest in the game. The hype and expectations versus reality will be amazing to watch. Like a more autistic tankie Cyberpunk meltdown.

The duality of Paradox

The duality of Paradox in one picture.

Is Paradox's fanbase primarily tankies and tradcaths because of autism, or because playing a historical strategy game with a command economy conditions you to believe that the kind of shit you do in-game might work in real life?

I don't know if Vic3 will be a total trainwreck though. They did a decent job fixing up Imperator, and that game is basically VickyII in ancient Rome with better graphics and a simpler economy.
 
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Is Paradox's fanbase primarily tankies and tradcaths because of autism
Speaking as a tradcath who enjoys Paradox games, much of it is down to the fact that you can essentially play out an alternate history where ”your side” wins and lots of us feel that history could have been changed for the better.

This isn't exclusive to tradcaths - I know a Muslim who plays CK2 and found that his favourite campaign was reuniting the ta'ifas and killing the newborn Reconquista, and I'm sure there are some pagans who enjoy sacrificing the Pope to Odin or whatever - and I don't exclusively play as Catholic rulers (in fact, one of my favourite campaigns was one where I cut Ælla's balls off, blinded him and sacrificed half the Catholic nobles in England at a blot) but it sure is nice to wonder what could have happened if the Kingdom of Jerusalem never fell or if the African Romance peoples in the Maghreb survived, and ahistorically blobbing in CK2 is one of the most fun ways to do that.
 
Is Paradox's fanbase primarily tankies and tradcaths because of autism, or because playing a historical strategy game with a command economy conditions you to believe that the kind of shit you do in-game might work in real life?
I call this condition "grand strategy psychosis," it's where you think decisions made in the video game somehow have an outcome in reality.

Paradox will therefore prune their games so choosing acceptable ideologies will reward the player, therefore washing their hands in culpability when their games indirectly indoctrinate the mentally weak

no, faggot, making UBER DUETSCHLAND will not make Veronica love you and your BIG CHONKER USSR still means you have to get a job.
 
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Speaking as a tradcath who enjoys Paradox games, much of it is down to the fact that you can essentially play out an alternate history where ”your side” wins and lots of us feel that history could have been changed for the better.

This isn't exclusive to tradcaths - I know a Muslim who plays CK2 and found that his favourite campaign was reuniting the ta'ifas and killing the newborn Reconquista, and I'm sure there are some pagans who enjoy sacrificing the Pope to Odin or whatever - and I don't exclusively play as Catholic rulers (in fact, one of my favourite campaigns was one where I cut Ælla's balls off, blinded him and sacrificed half the Catholic nobles in England at a blot) but it sure is nice to wonder what could have happened if the Kingdom of Jerusalem never fell or if the African Romance peoples in the Maghreb survived, and ahistorically blobbing in CK2 is one of the most fun ways to do that.
So basically everyone who isn't a neolib is drawn to Paradox games so they can do alt history wanks? Must be fun for corporate, judging by Stellaris they believe the UN will guide humanity to the stars.
 
Paradox will therefore prune their games so choosing acceptable ideologies will reward the player
Paradox doing SJW shit or blatantly just getting history wrong is part of why I refuse to buy CK3.

Just to list a few things wrong with CK3 off the top of my head:
Elagabalus was not an empress, ”Deus vult” and ”Allahu akbar” are both historically appropriate phrases (although the actual Latin would be ”Deus lo vult”), the Byzantine Empire did not use primogeniture, a pagan controlling Italy does not mean the Pope stops existing, and Harald Fairhair was not a fag.
 
Harald Fairhair was not a fag.
This. Like, oh my god, do they not realize a man who swore to conquer all of Norway to rule as its sole king because a princess insisted she'd only marry the king of all Norway and not some random one-longhouse jarl is about as far away from gay as you can get?
 
I call this condition "grand strategy psychosis," it's where you think decisions made in the video game somehow have an outcome in reality.

Paradox will therefore prune their games so choosing acceptable ideologies will reward the player, therefore washing their hands in culpability when their games indirectly indoctrinate the mentally weak

no, faggot, making UBER DUETSCHLAND while not make Veronica love you and your BIG CHONKER USSR still means you have to get a job.
And then they make slavery the optimal strategy in both Imperator and Stellaris, and ruthlessly exploiting one's vassals and colonies the best move in EU4 (even though it turned Spain into a basket case IRL). VickyII is the only paradox game that rewards you for being leftist (though reactionary state capitalism does the job too), and that's mainly because the capitalist AI is moronic & the plurality mechanic boosting research. Unless turning everyone into robots like synth ascension in Stellaris is the ultimate end of globohomo, which is at least metaphorically true.

I think the indoctrination works differently . Doing evil shit is how you win in Paradox games, so gullible players will think that's how the countries that are on top now did it, which is the basis for the leftist worldview.
 
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The duality of Paradox in one picture.

Is Paradox's fanbase primarily tankies and tradcaths because of autism, or because playing a historical strategy game with a command economy conditions you to believe that the kind of shit you do in-game might work in real life?

I don't know if Vic3 will be a total trainwreck though. They did a decent job fixing up Imperator, and that game is basically VickyII in ancient Rome with better graphics and a simpler economy.
Literally nobody plays Paradox games, aside from Cities and Stellaris, except massive history spergs. Those are people who already have strong (retarded) opinions. Feedback from the game accentuates it but doesn't cause it.
 
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