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I always like to kill her outright by allowing her to be killed by the crusaders or later on if in an evil playthrough
It's kind of fun to drive her into insanity although it's a little bit of a time commit.
I hate Ember far more than Seelah, for being an annoying Reddit atheist and being literally wrong about the Gods not intervening in mortal life.
Ember is too nice and innocent for me to really hate. She's basically just a little kid, you could chalk up most of what she says as her just not fully understanding what's going on.
 
IMO Seelah shouldnt even be a paladin
she is definitely not lawfull character, she acts like a chaotic one most of the time
oh and if we are on that topic why the fuck Lann is a monk? Was there master splinter in those severs to fucking teach him? He is also acts more like Neutral good instead of lawfull.
 
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Haven't got to Ember yet, we'll see how well I find a fedora-tipper fits into a setting where the gods are undeniably real.

The best written paladin character I remember in a CRPG was Keldorn in BG2. A sufficiently hard-nosed, zealous, by-the-book white dude who (especially after being cucked by his wife) wasn't afraid of doing a little purging of sinners. Proper fantasy pally right there.
 
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IMO Seelah shouldnt even be a paladin
she is definitely not lawfull character, she acts like a chaotic one most of the time
oh and if we are on that topic why the fuck Lann is a monk? Was there master splinter in those severs to fucking teach him? He is also acts more like Neutral good instead of lawfull.
seelah is a nigger
that how niggers be
honestly, i only ever chose lann once on an abandoned playthrough
 
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Ember is too nice and innocent for me to really hate. She's basically just a little kid, you could chalk up most of what she says as her just not fully understanding what's going on.
From the Owlcat AMA from a few weeks ago:
I've long believed that the best way to interpret Ember is as a philosophical pessimist. Someone who rejects hope, expects the worst to happen and finds great joy in being alive. Did her author set out to portray a philosophical pessimist and if so which philosopher was she based upon?
Thainen, the writer for Ember, answers:
She is indeed a pessimist, but one who has gone all the way through despair to find kindness at the other side. You can call her an "anti-nihilist", believing that in absence of hope we have nothing left but to take care of each other. Compared to real-world philosophies, she falls somewhere close to Existentialism. Of course I didn't write her starting with the thought "let's make her a little magic Jean-Paul Sartre", but "Existentialism Is a Humanism" has affected me as a person, which might have translated into the way I wrote her."
If anything, she's more self-determinist than atheist. "Why look for help from the gods when you can do it yourself" type of person. And she's okay, she has some nice interactions with Arue.

Haven't got to Ember yet, we'll see how well I find a fedora-tipper fits into a setting where the gods are undeniably real.

The best written paladin character I remember in a CRPG was Keldorn in BG2. A sufficiently hard-nosed, zealous, by-the-book white dude who (especially after being cucked by his wife) wasn't afraid of doing a little purging of sinners. Proper fantasy pally right there.
You'll like Regill then.
The best thing about WOTR is if you don't like a character like Seelah or Anevia, you can just kill them later by choosing an evil aligned mythic path like Devil, Demon or Lich. Or use Wokeless Wrath.

seelah is a nigger
that how niggers be
Her voice lines for battle are a sound level higher than other people like Cami for instance. There's no way to silence her either so I just benched her once I got Regill.

honestly, i only ever chose lann once on an abandoned playthrough
His Bow Monk class is wonderful at higher levels. It got to the point in a play through of mine that he and Arue were crit killing creatures with bows before any of my melee characters could engage demons or spell casters finish casting a spell. Don't under estimate multiple attacks with a bow user.
 
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The best thing about WOTR is if you don't like a character like Seelah or Anevia, you can just kill them later by choosing an evil aligned mythic path like Devil, Demon or Lich. Or use Wokeless Wrath.
I rolled a paladin myself and plan on doing Angel-Gold Dragon mythic route for this playthrough since it seemed on-theme with the whole anti-demon crusade. WotR seems like it has more replay value than Kingmaker though, so chances are I'll do at least one evil path playthrough at some point in the future.

Is there a way to kill Seelah anyway? I don't mind doing chaotic/evil actions here or there since it won't affect my overall alignment much. Irabeth I know you can bully later and give a bad ending to which I will probably do. I'm assuming you can't just make fun of Anevia for being a troon or anything like that.
 
Is there a way to kill Seelah anyway? I don't mind doing chaotic/evil actions here or there since it won't affect my overall alignment much. Irabeth I know you can bully later and give a bad ending to which I will probably do. I'm assuming you can't just make fun of Anevia for being a troon or anything like that.
You can dismiss Seelah after the prologue when you get access to Mercs. And just bully Irebeth to get her killed and that'll cause Anevia pain.
 
Encountered Nenio and instantly disliked her more than any other character I've encountered so far. I killed her. I've read by doing so I miss out on an annoying dungeon, a cool boss fight and some redundant loot/xp as well as making the secret ending harder to get, but I'll save such shenanigans for a second playthrough. The fucking autistic uwu fox girl will NOT be accompanying me on a grand crusade.
 
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Encountered Nenio and instantly disliked her more than any other character I've encountered so far. I killed her. I've read by doing so I miss out on an annoying dungeon, a cool boss fight and some redundant loot/xp as well as making the secret ending harder to get, but I'll save such shenanigans for a second playthrough. The fucking autistic uwu fox girl will NOT be accompanying me on a grand crusade.
The quirk fox is Owlcat writing at it's worse
 
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Her quest line is terrible. Those might be the worst puzzles I've ever seen in a game. Totally unfun, you're not missing out on much by leaving her behind. I've never managed to complete it because of how boring I found it. She's pretty good gameplay wise though, so it makes up for her personality.
 
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Well, I completed the game. Oracle/Angel, orbital strike spammer.
The secret ending wasn't that hard to get except for three things. finding the secret prisoner in the angel's prison, buying the dretch immediatelyin the slave markets and attacking Threshold in the exact week. I've heard it used to be far harder when demon lords only dropped crystals when finished off with an midnight arrow, not just shot anytime in the fight.
Regill was a lot of fun. Making the ruthless order fanatic a gnome was a stroke of genius.
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Lmao WotR has two already in the prologue, one black one an orc
Very on the nose. Also lol at the zealous holy-warrior of the crusading Goddess of valor, justice, and honor marrying a troon. Seems like that would be more of a demonic thing.
Yes, the first 30 min was horribly "modern audience",
leave those losers.webp
This line was apparently persuasive enough to get a crusader to defect.
One good thing about Aeon is it allows you to 'undo' unnatural things, which strangely enough, ends their relationship
I hate Ember far more than Seelah, for being an annoying Reddit atheist and being literally wrong about the Gods not intervening in mortal life. I always like to kill her outright by allowing her to be killed by the crusaders or later on if in an evil playthrough
Ember is too nice and innocent for me to really hate. She's basically just a little kid, you could chalk up most of what she says as her just not fully understanding what's going on.
I liked Ember, but maybe its because of my fond memories of BG2's Aerie and RT's Cassia.
Managed to make a traumatised womanchild mindwarping witch interesting without accepting her worldview.
Wasn't in my main party except for her special quests, I didn't know how to make her work.
IMO Seelah shouldnt even be a paladin
she is definitely not lawfull character, she acts like a chaotic one most of the time
oh and if we are on that topic why the fuck Lann is a monk? Was there master splinter in those severs to fucking teach him? He is also acts more like Neutral good instead of lawfull.
She even backtalks her goddess in one scene.
That being said her quest is fun, and she's far from a idealised character.
Lann needed to be lawful to be a monk. D&D/PF's rules are stupid.
Encountered Nenio and instantly disliked her more than any other character I've encountered so far. I killed her. I've read by doing so I miss out on an annoying dungeon, a cool boss fight and some redundant loot/xp as well as making the secret ending harder to get, but I'll save such shenanigans for a second playthrough. The fucking autistic uwu fox girl will NOT be accompanying me on a grand crusade.
Nenio is peak reddit, including the furfag stuff. Worse of all she's the only mage party member.
I might be one of the few people to have enjoyed the dungeon. The puzzles weren't too hard and the art direction and exploration was great.
I didn't like the dominoes quest though, they should have provided the pieces by the puzzles themselves.
I mean, even beyond the performances sucking shit, I just imagine the nightmare of writing for these things when every line has to be finalized years and years in advance with absolutely no wiggle-room because that would require a costly reshoot. Having to condense everything in the first place to cut back on recording costs, and then also if it comes out in playtesting that something isn't really explained well or doesn't flow - well, sucks to suck, but you can't really go in there and spruce it up because it's too late.
This.
And it makes branching stories a lot more expensive to implement. Maybe AI voices might be the solution, but currently are far inferior to a good VA.
The Kenarbras Fair dlc was fully voice acted, but it was far more railroaded then the main part of the game.
 
I initially liked Nenio.
I thought there could of been some interesting development with the core concept of basically a sentient shell so I stuck my nose to the grindstone to see how it would play out.
Will they gain true sentience? develop their own force of will? succumb as a puppet of their god? fulfill some grand design? is their forgetfulness a form of parasitism from their god absorbing their experiences literally? Could be interesting!

They just, you know, did none of that and had zero development to the point where, achtually not having any development at all is the good outcome!1!1. so even if you commit to the bit you get absolutely no payout. Very cool, fuck you owlcat for making me put up with that.
 
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He is also acts more like Neutral good instead of lawfull.
Not really, if you have him in your council, you will see exactly why he is lawful neutral. He is a very straight "Break the laws, pay the consequences" type, without much inclination for mercy. You can consider him a "law and order" character despite his personality
 
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