Pedophiles of Sluthate AND Lookism (MRZ, Brian Peppers and many more!)

[Lurker]

I'm not a pedophile according to any major diagnostic association. The mental health community of the USA actually explicitly rejected the notion that I'm a pedophile or that my chronophilia is indicative of any mental illness. Also there is a substantial probability that we have similar chronophilias as revealed by the phallometric penile response studies carried out in Czechoslovakia, and many others.

http://www.researchgate.net/profile...textuality/links/540738350cf2bba34c1e948e.pdf

No, you are a pedophile, you sick fuck. You can sit here and try to rationalize it all you want, but no, you're still a fucking pedophile.

And, once again, I cannot trust a pedophile's interpretations of peer-reviewed sources. See, because that's what we like to call a "confirmation bias". Yeah, I can use your bullshit against you, too.

Try harder.

 

[melty]

I already provided a citation for legalized CP viewing resulting in decreased child molestation rates. This was observed in Japan, Denmark, and the Czech Republic.

https://www.springer.com/about+springer/media/springer+select?SGWID=0-11001-6-1042321-0



Male rape prevalence, well let's see a quickly accessible citation is simply the percentage of males that claim they would rape if they could get away with it:

http://feministing.com/2015/01/12/s...en-would-rape-if-they-could-get-away-with-it/



This is obviously a low quality citation though. These studies are also highly controversial, though ironically supported by feminists (who I typically don't care for).

A better higher quality citation is this:

KEVIN M. WILLIAMS, BARRY S. COOPER, TERESA M. HOWELL, JOHN C. YUILLE, DELROY L. PAULHUS, “INFERRING SEXUALLY DEVIANT BEHAVIOR FROM CORRESPONDING FANTASIES,” CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND BEHAVIOR, Vol. 36 No. 2, February 2009 198-222


a copy of which is available here: http://www.researchgate.net/profile...onsumption/links/0046351eff3d87021b000000.pdf

The results of this study (carried out in two parts with two sample sizes) showed that between 65 and 68 percent of males polled (from sample sizes of 103 and 88, selected due to being male students in a class at a university) fantasized about sexually assaulting females, whereas 20 to 25 percent of the students had sexually assaulted a female. Additionally, 72 to 76 percent of them had fantasized about frotteurism, which is the act of rubbing your penis on a non-consenting individual (strangely separated from sexual assault), whereas 42 to 44 percent of them engaged in the behavior.


Also here is a chart that compares the findings of studies on percentages of males engaged in sexually coercive behaviors versus the percentages of CP offenders who have contact offenses.

Right, so the vast majority of men are rapist pedophiles who likely belong in jail. Do you have any studies supporting the idea that you're not a radfem shitposting shill?

 

[EI 903]

We should probably hunt for screencaps and stuff from SH more than debate this guy, because nothing we say is going to change his mind and anything he says is going to be instantly dismissed. I'd hate to see a thread with potential turn into another Marijan circlejerk.

 

[Saney]

I'm so curious as to whether he'd keep saying stuff like this if he were in a courtroom.

 

[zrm]

No, you are a pedophile, you sick fuck. You can sit here and try to rationalize it all you want, but no, you're still a fucking pedophile.

And, once again, I cannot trust a pedophile's interpretations of peer-reviewed sources. See, because that's what we like to call a "confirmation bias". Yeah, I can use your bullshit against you, too.

Try harder.

Okay, don't trust my interpretation. Tell me your interpretation of this

In a subsequent study, Freund confirmed the normalcy of sexual arousal to
adolescents. His subjects were 48 young Czech soldiers, all presumed to be ‘‘normal’’
and heterosexual in orientation. He showed the men pictures of children (ages 4–10
years old), adolescents (ages 12–16), and adults (ages 17–36). As expected, most of the
heterosexual men were sexually aroused by photos of both adult and adolescent
females. They were not aroused by pictures of males of any age, and were aroused at an
intermediate level by pictures of children (Freund & Costell, 1970).
This unsurprising tendency of normal heterosexual men to be sexually aroused by
adolescents was confirmed by other researchers. Like Freund, a group of researchers in
Canada was attempting to perfect physiological tools for measuring sexual arousal.
These researchers found that their instruments could distinguish between the arousal
patterns of child molesters and a control group exposed to slides of female children
(ages 5–11), but both groups showed similar arousal patterns to slides of pubescent girls
(ages 12–15) (Quinsey, Steinman, Bergerson, & Holmes, 1975)

I'm so curious as to whether he'd keep saying stuff like this if he were in a courtroom.

Saying stuff like even though I have rape instinct I don't have any intention to actually rape anyone, or stuff like I don't think Germany has been taken over by a pedophile cabal that has surreptitiously legalized the rape of adolescent females?

 

[sugoi-chan]

I'm not a pedophile according to any major diagnostic association. The mental health community of the USA actually explicitly rejected the notion that I'm a pedophile or that my chronophilia is indicative of any mental illness. Also there is a substantial probability that we have similar chronophilias as revealed by the phallometric penile response studies carried out in Czechoslovakia, and many others.

http://www.researchgate.net/profile...textuality/links/540738350cf2bba34c1e948e.pdf

You claim to be a hebephile and that makes you not a pedophile in one post and then in another, in support of an entirely different argument, link a chunk of text from an article that shows why the term "hebephile" is problematic and not enough to deserve to be considered distinct from pedophilia.

 

[Lurker]

Okay, don't trust my interpretation. Tell me your interpretation of this

That it's pretty much bullshit. Yeah, I really trust these citations from the 1970's. Give me recent studies.

 

[Orthodox Chrischanity]

Okay, don't trust my interpretation. Tell me your interpretation of this

Nice paper published in 1975, using the discredited Canadian "Fruit Machine", which was used to eliminate homosexuals from enlisting.

 

[Saney]

Saying stuff like even though I have rape instinct I don't have any intention to actually rape anyone, or stuff like I don't think Germany has been taken over by a pedophile cabal that has surreptitiously legalized the rape of adolescent females?

I was thinking more along the lines of how most people are sexually attracted to 14 year olds. Somehow, I don't think any judge or jury would be terribly impressed with stuff like that.

 

[zrm]

You claim to be a hebephile and that makes you not a pedophile in one post and then in another, in support of an entirely different argument, link a chunk of text from an article that shows why the term "hebephile" is problematic and not enough to deserve to be considered distinct from pedophilia.

What did I link to that said hebephile doesn't deserve to be distinct from pedophile? The proposal to merge hebephilia and pedophilia was harshly rejected by the mental health community and called a ploy by the prison industry to pervert the academic integrity of psychology. Also I don't necessarily consider myself a hebephile, though I am attracted to the hebephilic age range.

 

[c-no]

In regards to hebephilia and how it isn't like pedophilia, I'm just gonna leave this here:
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/articles/hebephilia-crime-not-mental-disorder

 

[zrm]

Nice paper published in 1975, using the discredited Canadian "Fruit Machine", which was used to eliminate homosexuals from enlisting.

Phallometry is controversial but it isn't discredited and is still used extensively in sex research. It is able to make predictions with substantial accuracy. Most of the controversy associated with it is due to its use to discriminate against homosexuals, and ironically also its use in testing asylum seekers who claim to be homosexuals fleeing from third world countries that kill homosexuals (negative results for homosexuality can lead to them being deported back to their home country).

 

[Rin]

No, @zrm, you're completely right. You're not mentally ill, you're just fucked in the head. Does that make you feel better?

Hey, you know what would be a great idea? If you leave a flashdrive full of CP at the library and label the folder "not cp." I hear that's a brilliant way to avoid being detected by the FBI.

 

[sugoi-chan]

Okay, don't trust my interpretation. Tell me your interpretation of this

Those tests were conducted using phallometry, a process that has been widely criticized as being hard to derive objective results from and subject to a lot of factors that make the end results scientifically questionable.

Also I don't necessarily consider myself a hebephile, though I am attracted to the hebephilic age range.

You just said you were six pages ago:

As I previously mentioned, I'm not a pedophile because I lack significant attraction to prepubescents. I'm a non-exlusive hebephile and a non-exclusive ephebophile. Even true hebephilia (exclusive) was explicitly rejected as a mental illness by the APA, and it is not included in the DSM. It is also not considered a mental illness in the ICD to be attracted to pubescents at least ~2 years into puberty, so according to the two biggest mental illness classification systems in the world I'm not mentally ill for my chronophilia.

Here is a citation that the APA rejected hebephilia as a mental illness, it also mentions that they rejected biastophilia which is the state of being aroused by rape.

forensicpsychologist.blogspot.com/2012/12/apa-rejects-hebephilia-last-of-three.html



The majority consensus of the mental health community is that I'm actually not mentally ill. Additionally, I would like to point out that rape is one of the most popular female fantasies. This is likely because affectively they want to be raped because evolutionarily it can be advantageous to be raped (especially by a high quality male), seeing as the offspring produced would have genetic make up predisposed to raping, which would assist the mother in wide dispersion of her genetics. Despite the fact that females have this affective desire to rape, and despite the fact that because of it they frequently fantasize about being raped, we would never say that cognitively they have the actual desire to be raped, right? It's the same way with me. Affectively I have rape instinct, but cognitively I don't have the actual desire to rape, to the same extent that cognitively females don't have the actual desire to be raped. I realize that rape is a bad thing, and I haven't any intention of ever raping anyone or sexually abusing anyone, I just have the instinct to do so because it is evolutionarily advantageous and Darwinian evolution selects for evolutionarily advantageous traits over morally benevolent traits. Thankfully though humans have a large amount of cognitive capacity, and we are not slaves to our primitive instincts.

 

[c-no]

What did I link to that said hebephile doesn't deserve to be distinct from pedophile? The proposal to merge hebephilia and pedophilia was harshly rejected by the mental health community and called a ploy by the prison industry to pervert the academic integrity of psychology. Also I don't necessarily consider myself a hebephile, though I am attracted to the hebephilic age range.

Though you wouldn't call yourself a hebephile, you are attracted to the hebephilic age range? Even though you don't take the label, it can still to some point make you a hebephile since you have an attraction to individuals of that specific age range.

 

[sugoi-chan]

Though you wouldn't call yourself a hebephile, you are attracted to the hebephilic age range? Even though you don't take the label, it can still to some point make you a hebephile since you have an attraction to individuals of that specific age range.

As I said earlier, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, wants to fiddle kids like a duck...

 

[Surtur]

This thread is boring, when are we going to do something funny?

 

[zrm]

In regards to hebephilia and how it isn't like pedophilia, I'm just gonna leave this here:
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/articles/hebephilia-crime-not-mental-disorder

Spoiler: tl;dr

Yes hebephilia (well, acting on it) is a crime in some countries. In other countries it is partially or completely legal to act on it though. These are not third world countries. Germany, Italy, Japan, Spain, Uruguay, etc all have partially legalized hebephilic sexual relationships. I don't see any problem with having a lower age of consent like these countries do. I'm seriously not proposing we legalize the exploitation of adolescents at all, I don't think we should. I just think that if some 21 year old takes home a 15 year old who snuck into a bar and they get busted having sex, that he shouldn't get in trouble. If some guy in his twenties meets some 14 year old at a festival or something and they agree to have sex, I don't think there is anything wrong with that. These scenarios don't lead to problems in countries like Germany so long as there is seriously no exploitation involved, it's completely legal without exploitation being involved. I don't see why I'm a sick deviant pedophile who should be locked up forever or executed simply because I think Germany has the right idea on this, and really the responses from many of you are nothing short of barbaric and primitive, especially since probabilistically a lot of you actually are attracted to adolescents, and it makes me truly fucking sick to my stomach that you feel such a strong need to deny it and make it seem like you want to kill everyone who is very likely exactly like you fucking are.

This is reaction formation, but you don't need to form a reaction, just use some fucking rationality and be open minded for a minute and think about it, is it seriously such a fucking big deal if someone has sex when they are a little under 18 or 16 years old? It's really not a big deal at all, and it doesn't make you immoral or a bad person for thinking this, it makes you a bad person for pretending that people who have attraction to people these ages are sick monsters worthy of being executed though, you guys in the anglosphere are allowing fucking horrific things to happen to people who don't deserve it at all, just because you are fucking scared and having a moral panic over NOTHING.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaction_formation

In psychoanalytic theory, reaction formation (German: Reaktionsbildung) is a defensive process (defense mechanism) in which emotions and impulses which are anxiety-producing or perceived to be unacceptable are mastered by exaggeration (hypertrophy) of the directly opposing tendency.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic

A moral panic is an intense feeling expressed in a population about an issue that appears to threaten the social order.[1] Moral panics are in essence controversies that involve arguments and social tension, and in which agreement is difficult because the matter at its centre is taboo.[2] The media are key players in the dissemination of moral indignation, even when they do not appear to be consciously engaged in crusading or muckraking. Simply reporting the facts can be enough to generate concern, anxiety or panic.[3]

You are not helping make the world a better place by freaking out, rejecting science, calling for death to everyone who you deem even the slightest bit impure, closing your fucking ears to anything, etc. You are making the world hell, not just for the people who irrationally hate, but for fucking everybody, even the people you claim to be trying to protect are being hurt by your state of moral panic.

Those tests were conducted using phallometry, a process that has been widely criticized as being hard to derive objective results from and subject to a lot of factors that make the end results scientifically questionable.



You just said you were six pages ago:

I said I'm a non-exclusive hebephile, a true hebephile is exclusive or at least preferential. Sorry, I really don't expect you to know these highly technical terms, seeing as nobody would unless they actually studied this stuff, which nearly nobody actually has.

 

[Da Pickle Monsta]

I said I'm a non-exclusive hebephile, a true hebephile is exclusive or at least preferential. Sorry, I really don't expect you to know these highly technical terms, seeing as nobody would unless they actually studied this stuff, which nearly nobody actually has.

Nobody here studies this stuff because we're not trying to justify fucking kids

 

[sugoi-chan]

I said I'm a non-exclusive hebephile, a true hebephile is exclusive or at least preferential. Sorry, I really don't expect you to know these highly technical terms, seeing as nobody would unless they actually studied this stuff, which nearly nobody actually has.

"People think pedophiles are bad so I'm gonna make up a new word so I'm not a pedophile." "People now think hebephiles are bad, so I'm gonna make up a new word so I'm not a hebephile."

Since you like pointing out logical fallacies so much, here's one for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Just because I rate you as autistic doesn't mean you're not also worth a dumb rating. You're a non-exclusive autistic.