- Joined
- Jul 28, 2020
I did not reply to it yes, as mentioned previously, my lawyer told me to basically be quiet. If I stayed quiet, they never find out that they submitted a ton of wrong information which, to the lawyers credit, was true. They never did find that out when it was relevant and, since they got my name wrong in filing, the lawsuit was essentially dead upon arrival, but the court did not know that so it was just stuck in limbo for a few years. Had the case been redone to include my actual name, then the problem would be that it claims that I am a resident of Nevada, which I have never even been to NV. This is a problem because if I were a resident of NV, then I would be required to fly there for the court case (according to the lawyer I spoke to, so maybe I'm remembering wrong or things have changed as it's been years), as opposed to if I was correctly labeled as living in my state, then PK would have had to fly over to me. My lawyer also said the court case was extremely poorly written and that the lawyer they had used was previously barred from practice due to what was essentially a willingness to be corrupt. So I'm sure had I needed to genuinely go to court and retain a lawyer for the entire case, things would have gotten a lot messier and not in a beneficial way to PK. However, again, I did not have the time or money or really mental health to take that to court. I don't regret not taking it to court except for the fact that maybe it could have gotten Marl under the spot light, though I don't know how likely that is as the officers I attempted to talk to were of zero help in 2014.
For the witnesses, the case did not get far considering the wrong information, but I'm going to assume that meant people who were at the convention like Naki and Alice, in regards to my posts claims regarding the con. Alternatively, it could be regarding financial info that Marl, Eevee and others may be privy to as having been part of the household and thus would be aware of any losses at the time.
I'm assuming the logs on their side would be all the information they gathered for Eevee's doc. I'm assuming that, yes, it looked like a "solid case" to PK and their friends at the time considering that PK's friends, especially back then, enabled the hell out of them.
The lawsuit involved $30k in damages according to my post asking people not to support them. The evidence and case may involve financial documents regarding loss of money. I also had my own documents I submitted to my lawyer to look over, and he said that even if it went to court it's very likely that it would not be in their favor considering that their patreon had gained money in the NSFW one and lost money in the SFW one because it had been about a year or part of a year since they had actually updated with comics instead of just species sheets etc, so there's plausible belief that I was not behind that dip in finances. Again though, part of the proof may be their own finances that I do not have access to, such as sales history of their merch and job offers potentially rescinded.
My thoughts are that PK was honestly incredibly aggressive, cruel, and self-righteous about a lot of things in the past, and can still be extremely stubborn and cruel in the right/wrong situations. I want that to change.
as for the narcissism thing, i think its helpful to understand there are generally three different kinds of narc (with subtypes of course but im more talking about the motivations/goals/tactics). imo glip is DEFINITELY a vulnerable/covert narc, if not also a collective narc. so if your experience was with an overt/malignant narcissist it would DEFINITELY look different from a covert or collective narc.
put some resources for you below since collective narcissism can be hard to find at times, as its a relatively new way of defining this "flavor" of narcissism.
definition of vulnerable narc:
There’s also another, less obvious kind of narcissist to watch out for, apart from the anti-social and grandiose types: the covert, or vulnerable, narcissist. Don’t be deceived by the name, because these individuals also believe they are superior, but they keep these beliefs inside. Vulnerable narcissists are deeply self-absorbed, maintain an artificially inflated sense of themselves, and believe that they are entitled to more attention than they get. They, therefore, feel chronically victimized, as though the world has failed to recognize their brilliance or specialness. In this, the covert narcissist becomes prone to feelings of depression, even as he or she expresses powerful contempt for other people. These narcissists, too, lack empathy; they may be highly sensitive, but their sensitivity does not extend to the feelings of others.
definition of a collective narc, which i think is extremely pertinent when taking the flora discord into account:
"As opposed to individuals with narcissistic personality, who maintain inflated views of themselves, collective narcissists exaggerate offenses to their group’s image, and respond to them aggressively. Collective narcissists believe that their group’s importance and worth are not sufficiently recognized by others. They feel that their group merits special treatment, and insist that it gets the recognition and respect it deserves. In other words, collective narcissism amounts to a belief in the exaggerated greatness of one’s group, and demands external validation.
Collective narcissists are not simply content to be members of a valuable group. They don’t devote their energy to contributing to the group’s betterment and value. Rather, they engage in monitoring whether everybody around, particularly other groups, recognize and acknowledge the great value and special worth of their group. To be sure, collective narcissists demand privileged treatment, not equal rights. And the need for continuous external validation of the group’s inflated image (a negative attribute) is what differentiates collective narcissists from those who simply hold positive feelings about their group."
Why collective narcissists are so politically volatile – Agnieszka Golec de Zavala | Aeon Ideas
How collective narcissism can seize an entire group, resulting in outbursts of intergroup rage or prejudiced reactionsaeon.co
(sources for second link are at the end of the article)
4 Types of Narcissist, and How to Spot Each One
Not every narcissistic personality functions exactly the same way.www.psychologytoday.com
Covert Narcissism: The Quiet Counterpart to Narcissistic Personality - GoodTherapy.org Therapy Blog
To many, narcissistic traits may seem easy to recognize. But narcissism may also be present without the qualities that characterize some of its stereotypes.www.goodtherapy.org
EDIT: this video describes flora to a T ruh roh
Thank you for these resources. I have trouble understanding covert/vulnerable narcissism.
I can understand it when it is exaggerated to a logical extreme (as in, constantly passive aggressive, consistently putting oneself down for validation and throwing a fit when not getting it, only doing good things where people can see for validation, an extreme entitledness just for existing) but as described typically, I do not.
For example https://www.healthline.com/health/covert-narcissist
Many of these traits can be found in people who have low self-esteem in general. I have read up on the different types of narcissism even before you began to speak to me about it, but it is difficult for me to parse as... truthfully, it just seems like something a lot of people go through, especially in their teens. Having an inferiority complex, but also thinking you're better than everyone else is something I could talk about in regards to almost everyone I knew in highschool and some adults. There are many people who are introverts who are depressed and anxious, can be passive aggressive at times, can daydream about better things in their life and being cared about and liked, don't take well to criticism (possibly due to past abuse), and so on.
I do think PK shows some of these signs, but I don't think this means they are inherently broken forever. I recognize PK definitely showed stronger more aggressive and cruel traits in the past, with how they treated BF/Lain and others. I think as they currently are though, compared to before, they have been improving, even if at a snail's pace.
I also find the idea that "they think they are superior but keep it inside" is... not intrinsically bad? If actions are what matter, then as long as bad thoughts are not publicly displayed as actions, that's fine by me. I think I may not understand it due to my own struggle with mental illness and therapy, and the fact that a lack of empathy does not mean it is impossible to teach someone empathy nor to teach someone right from wrong. One of my closest friends had a lot of trouble with empathy due to how he was neglected, but he has come around and now, while not as empathetic as others, can feel for others and recognize when something is wrong even if he doesn't feel the emotion behind it.
As for the family cult video, I'm not sure I agree. Part of it may be the idea that i genuinely had been in contact with a cult when i was a teen, an online one led by an artist, that many people were part of. I'm assuming it's still going.
The leader believed they were the Queen of the dream world and there was another evil queen who they were fighting against. The leader would claim that those drawn to them are reincarnated versions of others who served under said Dream Queen. They told me that my mental illness meant that I was SPECIAL and channeling spirits or something.
I do agree that the server is on its way, it has enablers and many of the people who enter want to be controlled imo and feed into bad co-dependent behaviors, and I hate when people brush off the idea that the server could be a cult because it definitely, with tweaking, go fullblown Waco, Texas... but I guess I don't agree the whole video applies. That might be me taking you too literally though.
Originally I wrote a longer reply talking about the video, but I realized I didn't want to derail things again nor try to justify anything PK has done. I don't think every aspect applies, but I recognize many do and will keep it in mind.
Also, I have spoken with my psych about concerns KFers had, and she understood as well and is going to help me with certain things in regards to boundaries and PK. Sorry for being vague, but I wanted to give an update in that regard.
