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[CatParty]

Homophobes, fundies, homophobic fundies. I asked someone why they thought that gay people hurt society, and this is what they sent me.

I bet the writer of that article has a lot of sailor moon posters on his wall.

Also, I like how his evidence to discredit most of the scientific research that contradicts his point of view is "IT'S NOT TRUE! SHUT UP!" without any sources cited or reasons given. Hell, he says that ex-gay facilities are legit, which pretty much tells you right off the bat what kind of person we're dealing with here. He also says that homosexual adoption is irrefutably harmful to the child, which recently got proven false. The guy literally has no clue of what he's talking about, and his only evidence to support his outlandish claims appears to be yelling "I'm definitely right, you guys!" which, unfortunately for the good man, does not hold up.

i thoroughly enjoyed this one http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/12/c ... ause-aids/

 

[Rio]

Homophobes, fundies, homophobic fundies. I asked someone why they thought that gay people hurt society, and this is what they sent me.

I bet the writer of that article has a lot of sailor moon posters on his wall.

Also, I like how his evidence to discredit most of the scientific research that contradicts his point of view is "IT'S NOT TRUE! SHUT UP!" without any sources cited or reasons given. Hell, he says that ex-gay facilities are legit, which pretty much tells you right off the bat what kind of person we're dealing with here. He also says that homosexual adoption is irrefutably harmful to the child, which recently got proven false. The guy literally has no clue of what he's talking about, and his only evidence to support his outlandish claims appears to be yelling "I'm definitely right, you guys!" which, unfortunately for the good man, does not hold up.

i thoroughly enjoyed this one http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/12/c ... ause-aids/

Vaginas have aids-blocking barriers now? Wow, has that guy ever had sex-ed? He realizes that aids transfers through vaginal sex too, right? What was he thinking? It's amazing how dumbasses like that seem to have a way of getting into the public spotlight,

Speaking of dumbasses speaking publicly, how about this one?
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[Saney]

So, I sent a reply to the person who sent me that article, and this is what they sent in reply.

Spoiler

Hum. I haven't checked, and therefore wouldn't know. But just because people won't say being gay is a mental illness doesn't necessarily imply it's not true...

Yes, I'm aware, but I believe it's been proven that being gay increases the likelihood of getting those diseases. I find it ironic that there's no cure.

Not saying they *will* legalize pedophilia, but everyone used to think being gay was wrong. Now they don't. Things change.

Well, gay people don't just wake up one morning and decide they're gay... do they? It's gradual. And I don't think being 'born' with it makes it okay. Some people are 'born' with a tendency towards alcoholism, but that doesn't mean everyone's just gonna let them get drunk all the time and say, 'It's okay, you were born with it, so it must be perfectly natural.' And, if children are raised in a gay home, they will thin that's what a normal family looks like.

Oh, so Wikipedia is a reliable scientific source now?

Rereading the article, I think it brought up many good points. Here are the parts I agree with:
2. On a similar note, homosexuality is proven to cause severe health risks, including, of course, AIDS/HIV. We don't celebrate drug abuse to our children, but instead teach them that such things are dangerous and should be avoided. How is homosexual behavior any different? It could cost my child his life!' Why would you encourage something that could harm you? That's like saying smoking is a good idea. Maybe you won't get a disease. But maybe you will. Why take such a huge risk? Besides, if nobody had sex with more than one person then no body wold have any of these diseases.

3. 'This is not a civil rights issue. One gay activist was quoted as saying that this whole issue is really just about changing the moral perception of homosexuality; they want to make homosexuality morally acceptable by forcing us to treat it the same as heterosexuality. The basis for this notion is that homosexuals experience extreme levels of depression and suicide, leading some to conjecture that this is caused by social attitudes towards gays. Therefore, they conclude, we should attempt to normalize homosexuality and these problems will go away.' They're trying to force people like me, who oppose them, to shut up. Since when is this right? Our side isn't out there yelling and lobbying at them to shut up, so why do they think it's okay to do that to us? But htey aren't going to stop at 'tolerance', I think.

'Ask yourself: If heterosexuals pranced around in the street naked, beating each other with whips, and otherwise being sexually indecent in public, wouldn't we have a few questions about their sanity? How is this acceptable behavior, then, in Gay Pride festivals, parades, and so forth?'

4. Despite arguments to the contrary, gay rights proponents will NOT stop at marriage. As quoted above, this is actually about normalizing homosexuality in the public eye. Our country will most certainly see legislation like that being considered in Brazil, which will make it illegal to even voice an opinion against homosexuality in that country. This includes churches, businesses, and individuals. You may not believe that we would reach such a point with so-called 'thought police,' but remember that we are already seeing lawsuits against people for what amounts to them basically just being opposed to homosexuality. These lawsuits are winning in many cases, so it appears that we already have 'thought police.'" This is what annoys and worries me the most about the gay rights movement.

'6. Allowing gay marriage increases the likelihood that children will be placed with homosexuals by adoption agencies or court proceedings following divorces. Specific scientific evidences have been gathered that children in these environments are at increased risk for stress, depression, and suicide, among other things. These findings have successfully been used and accepted in court decisions that ultimately have lead to several states' decisions not to allow gays to adopt or have foster children.

Besides the increased risk to children, placing them in these environments increases the likelihood that they will emulate or experiment with homosexual behaviors, which have been proven to be harmful and at high risk for disease and mental disorder.' It's bad for children to be in that environment, and children are the future. Everywhere else, whenever a child is imperiled, or harmed in anyway, the grandma lawmakers get all up in arms and pass three hundred million new safely laws. So why not here?

'A) That 10% of all people are gay. This number was contrived from a study done by Kinsey in the 1940's which has since been proven false by several other studies, and by duplication of the original study with a larger sample group. Proper studies have shown the number to actually be less than 2% worldwide.'

B) That people are born gay. No study has ever shown any such thing. A few studies have been presented out of context and said to suggest such findings, but even the authors of the studies, themselves gay, publicly declared that their studies showed no such thing. On the contrary, science has shown that there are specific incidents and experiences in early childhood that can cause an individual to develop same sex attraction. Therapy is available, and recovery is possible, just like for every other mental disorder. One study that is presented out of context is the one in which a certain area of the brain appeared to be different in gay subjects than straight subjects. The study's author stated expressly that this did not prove anything, and other studies have shown that certain behaviors can actually CAUSE such differences in brain development. The gay subjects of the original study had been sexually active for years prior to the study.'

'C) That there are gay animals. This is presented as proof that homosexuality is natural. However, this is yet another case of a study that was both blown out of proportion, and scientifically unsound to begin with. Other scientists have reviewed this supposed evidence and found it wanting on many levels. Furthermore, the presence of a behavior in nature does not justify its practice among humans- you will find that cannibalism is much more prevalent among animals than those behaviors which are being interpreted as homosexual!' Okay, so maybe there are gay animals, but they are the exception, not the rule. Also, as the article says, just cuz animals do it doesn't mean people should do it, unless you think people are animals, in which case, there shouldn't be any laws prohibiting murder, cannibalism, theft... heck, if one thinks people are just highly evolved animals, then why were the Newton shootings wrong? Why was Hitler (*gasp!* Hitler! I shouldn't use Hitler... so unoriginal... but that's beside the point.) wrong? But yeah, that's a whole nuther subject. Anyway, point is, just cuz some animals do it doesn't mean people should. Hey, I wonder if the animals get AIDS? If animals even get AIDS... sorry, I didn't get much sleep last night. Anyway, on with the article.

' 8. Children raised in homes with homosexual "parents" are necessarily deprived of one biological parent. They will have either no mother or no father. This obviously happens in cases of divorce with heterosexuals, as well, but psychologists like Dr. Laura will testify that this is one of the worst things that can happen to a child. In heterosexual relationships, this would be an exception. In homosexual relationships, this would be the rule. (This sort of situation does arise, where a parent leaves an existing family to pursue a homosexual relationship. It happened to my friend.)'
'9. Scientific evidence shows that children are better off in many ways when raised in homes with both a mother and a father. One important article you might read which summarizes the evidence is "Dr. Byrd Provides Testimony In English Court Case Regarding Same-Sex Adoption". Dr. A. Dean Byrd is president of the National Association of Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, a licensed group of psychologists that treat people who do not want to be attracted to the opposite sex.' That's all it's letting me type here.

My main concern is my rights, and the children, because children will become adults one day. We'll be dead, and they'll be doing everything we used to do. What they're taught - by their parents and everyone else - decides the course in which the future flows.

You have nooo idea how much I just want to say, 'So're you.' But I'll be logical. Or try. You're clearly influenced strongly by 'You're own beliefs' too... Outdated? Please reread the part I sent with as much of an open mind as you can, and look at the logic behind it. I tend not to trust new science. It has an unnerving was of being disproven, but that's just me.

Okay. 'And because there's absolutely nothing wrong with being gay.' You present it as though it's fact. You obviously weren't paying attention to what I gave you. If there's absolutely nothing wrong with it, then why do you think everyone thought it was wrong for ages, and many still do? We think, as strongly as you think it's fine, that it's sin. And speaking of sin, if I may, are you using the word form a Christian/Catholic point of view, or just as a synonym for wrong. In other words, are you a Christian/Catholic, or an atheist, or something else? I'm just trying to find out what we have in common, or what we both believe, because what arguments I use depend strongly on that. Again, you don't have to answer, if you don't want to.

Sounds like you're saying to me that you know people who like it being gay/are gay, therefore it's okay. And you basically just said, 'it is because I say so.' Please try to avoid that. It's very illogical. Delicate sensibilities? Don't approve of? You make us sound like somebody's grandma. I wouldn't mind them doing it away somewhere in a corner, but I mind when they want to legalize gay marriage, and when they tell me I have to pretend they're normal. Mostly, I mind that the gay rights movement says everybody has to 'tolerate' them. Tolerance is a joke. They don't want tolerance, they want acceptance - they want their opposition to shrivel up and die. They don't 'Tolerate' us, why should we return the favor?

That's okay, this PM probably came off as rude too. I'm not annoyed at you, though it may seem that way. I'm just a very frank person, and I hate gong back and sugar-coating my words. I'm just callin' em like I see em. It takes me a comparative lot of work to make myself sound nice. But don't worry, I'm not sitting here scowling as type this up. I feel strongly about this issue too, that's why I had something up on my profile. I don't really do 'offended', or maybe I'm just offended all the time. O-o.

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

 

[random_pickle]

I can relate... I used to work as a stock boy for the local walmart. And there was this cart pusher I knew that loved, LOVED, The animu; Bleach and Naruto. I hated the show, because I always thought it was a prime example of what I call a "cookie cutter anime" (meaning its the same idea as every other fighting/battle/competition animu) And I tell him that I like Ghost in the Shell, FLCL and FMA better. So, after I had told him that, he starts giving me strange looks every time I walk through the parking lot.

Then one day, He comes back to the stock room and he has with him a long broom handle, So he stop dead in his tracks in the middle of the work floor in a clearing surrounded by boxes, and points at me and yells at the top of his lungs: "ICHIGO-HAKU-BANKAI!" (or some shit like that.) And proceeds to swish about, pretending its a bo staff, trying to be all stylized and dramatic as if he's drawing power from the ground. Then he says; "Prepare yourself Elric..." (Referencing Edward Elric from FMA) I'm standing there with my price gun in hand and 10 other people staring at us. I actually wanted to humor him and play along, but I knew that that would probably be a bad decision. So I ask him what the hell he's doing, and before long the floor manager comes by and grabs him by the shoulder. I don't know if this startled him or if it was the sheer rage inside him, but he ducked and swung that broom handle and CRACK! Broke our managers nose. Up until that point, I thought he was just fucking with me, being a big goofball, but no... He was legitimately angry. So I and several other employees charge him and knock him flat on his ass. (he was as thin as a pencil so it was almost no effort.) I take the broom handle and throw it away from his reach. Minutes later police show up and cuff him, all while he's screaming; BANKAI!!! BANKAI-JUTSU!!!

Weeaboo alert! Weeaboo alert!

Have you considered uploading that story to Weeaboo Horrors?

 

[Rio]

So, I sent a reply to the person who sent me that article, and this is what they sent in reply.

Spoiler

Hum. I haven't checked, and therefore wouldn't know. But just because people won't say being gay is a mental illness doesn't necessarily imply it's not true...

Yes, I'm aware, but I believe it's been proven that being gay increases the likelihood of getting those diseases. I find it ironic that there's no cure.

Not saying they *will* legalize pedophilia, but everyone used to think being gay was wrong. Now they don't. Things change.

Well, gay people don't just wake up one morning and decide they're gay... do they? It's gradual. And I don't think being 'born' with it makes it okay. Some people are 'born' with a tendency towards alcoholism, but that doesn't mean everyone's just gonna let them get drunk all the time and say, 'It's okay, you were born with it, so it must be perfectly natural.' And, if children are raised in a gay home, they will thin that's what a normal family looks like.

Oh, so Wikipedia is a reliable scientific source now?

Rereading the article, I think it brought up many good points. Here are the parts I agree with:
2. On a similar note, homosexuality is proven to cause severe health risks, including, of course, AIDS/HIV. We don't celebrate drug abuse to our children, but instead teach them that such things are dangerous and should be avoided. How is homosexual behavior any different? It could cost my child his life!' Why would you encourage something that could harm you? That's like saying smoking is a good idea. Maybe you won't get a disease. But maybe you will. Why take such a huge risk? Besides, if nobody had sex with more than one person then no body wold have any of these diseases.

3. 'This is not a civil rights issue. One gay activist was quoted as saying that this whole issue is really just about changing the moral perception of homosexuality; they want to make homosexuality morally acceptable by forcing us to treat it the same as heterosexuality. The basis for this notion is that homosexuals experience extreme levels of depression and suicide, leading some to conjecture that this is caused by social attitudes towards gays. Therefore, they conclude, we should attempt to normalize homosexuality and these problems will go away.' They're trying to force people like me, who oppose them, to shut up. Since when is this right? Our side isn't out there yelling and lobbying at them to shut up, so why do they think it's okay to do that to us? But htey aren't going to stop at 'tolerance', I think.

'Ask yourself: If heterosexuals pranced around in the street naked, beating each other with whips, and otherwise being sexually indecent in public, wouldn't we have a few questions about their sanity? How is this acceptable behavior, then, in Gay Pride festivals, parades, and so forth?'

4. Despite arguments to the contrary, gay rights proponents will NOT stop at marriage. As quoted above, this is actually about normalizing homosexuality in the public eye. Our country will most certainly see legislation like that being considered in Brazil, which will make it illegal to even voice an opinion against homosexuality in that country. This includes churches, businesses, and individuals. You may not believe that we would reach such a point with so-called 'thought police,' but remember that we are already seeing lawsuits against people for what amounts to them basically just being opposed to homosexuality. These lawsuits are winning in many cases, so it appears that we already have 'thought police.'" This is what annoys and worries me the most about the gay rights movement.

'6. Allowing gay marriage increases the likelihood that children will be placed with homosexuals by adoption agencies or court proceedings following divorces. Specific scientific evidences have been gathered that children in these environments are at increased risk for stress, depression, and suicide, among other things. These findings have successfully been used and accepted in court decisions that ultimately have lead to several states' decisions not to allow gays to adopt or have foster children.

Besides the increased risk to children, placing them in these environments increases the likelihood that they will emulate or experiment with homosexual behaviors, which have been proven to be harmful and at high risk for disease and mental disorder.' It's bad for children to be in that environment, and children are the future. Everywhere else, whenever a child is imperiled, or harmed in anyway, the grandma lawmakers get all up in arms and pass three hundred million new safely laws. So why not here?

'A) That 10% of all people are gay. This number was contrived from a study done by Kinsey in the 1940's which has since been proven false by several other studies, and by duplication of the original study with a larger sample group. Proper studies have shown the number to actually be less than 2% worldwide.'

B) That people are born gay. No study has ever shown any such thing. A few studies have been presented out of context and said to suggest such findings, but even the authors of the studies, themselves gay, publicly declared that their studies showed no such thing. On the contrary, science has shown that there are specific incidents and experiences in early childhood that can cause an individual to develop same sex attraction. Therapy is available, and recovery is possible, just like for every other mental disorder. One study that is presented out of context is the one in which a certain area of the brain appeared to be different in gay subjects than straight subjects. The study's author stated expressly that this did not prove anything, and other studies have shown that certain behaviors can actually CAUSE such differences in brain development. The gay subjects of the original study had been sexually active for years prior to the study.'

'C) That there are gay animals. This is presented as proof that homosexuality is natural. However, this is yet another case of a study that was both blown out of proportion, and scientifically unsound to begin with. Other scientists have reviewed this supposed evidence and found it wanting on many levels. Furthermore, the presence of a behavior in nature does not justify its practice among humans- you will find that cannibalism is much more prevalent among animals than those behaviors which are being interpreted as homosexual!' Okay, so maybe there are gay animals, but they are the exception, not the rule. Also, as the article says, just cuz animals do it doesn't mean people should do it, unless you think people are animals, in which case, there shouldn't be any laws prohibiting murder, cannibalism, theft... heck, if one thinks people are just highly evolved animals, then why were the Newton shootings wrong? Why was Hitler (*gasp!* Hitler! I shouldn't use Hitler... so unoriginal... but that's beside the point.) wrong? But yeah, that's a whole nuther subject. Anyway, point is, just cuz some animals do it doesn't mean people should. Hey, I wonder if the animals get AIDS? If animals even get AIDS... sorry, I didn't get much sleep last night. Anyway, on with the article.

' 8. Children raised in homes with homosexual "parents" are necessarily deprived of one biological parent. They will have either no mother or no father. This obviously happens in cases of divorce with heterosexuals, as well, but psychologists like Dr. Laura will testify that this is one of the worst things that can happen to a child. In heterosexual relationships, this would be an exception. In homosexual relationships, this would be the rule. (This sort of situation does arise, where a parent leaves an existing family to pursue a homosexual relationship. It happened to my friend.)'
'9. Scientific evidence shows that children are better off in many ways when raised in homes with both a mother and a father. One important article you might read which summarizes the evidence is "Dr. Byrd Provides Testimony In English Court Case Regarding Same-Sex Adoption". Dr. A. Dean Byrd is president of the National Association of Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, a licensed group of psychologists that treat people who do not want to be attracted to the opposite sex.' That's all it's letting me type here.

My main concern is my rights, and the children, because children will become adults one day. We'll be dead, and they'll be doing everything we used to do. What they're taught - by their parents and everyone else - decides the course in which the future flows.

You have nooo idea how much I just want to say, 'So're you.' But I'll be logical. Or try. You're clearly influenced strongly by 'You're own beliefs' too... Outdated? Please reread the part I sent with as much of an open mind as you can, and look at the logic behind it. I tend not to trust new science. It has an unnerving was of being disproven, but that's just me.

Okay. 'And because there's absolutely nothing wrong with being gay.' You present it as though it's fact. You obviously weren't paying attention to what I gave you. If there's absolutely nothing wrong with it, then why do you think everyone thought it was wrong for ages, and many still do? We think, as strongly as you think it's fine, that it's sin. And speaking of sin, if I may, are you using the word form a Christian/Catholic point of view, or just as a synonym for wrong. In other words, are you a Christian/Catholic, or an atheist, or something else? I'm just trying to find out what we have in common, or what we both believe, because what arguments I use depend strongly on that. Again, you don't have to answer, if you don't want to.

Sounds like you're saying to me that you know people who like it being gay/are gay, therefore it's okay. And you basically just said, 'it is because I say so.' Please try to avoid that. It's very illogical. Delicate sensibilities? Don't approve of? You make us sound like somebody's grandma. I wouldn't mind them doing it away somewhere in a corner, but I mind when they want to legalize gay marriage, and when they tell me I have to pretend they're normal. Mostly, I mind that the gay rights movement says everybody has to 'tolerate' them. Tolerance is a joke. They don't want tolerance, they want acceptance - they want their opposition to shrivel up and die. They don't 'Tolerate' us, why should we return the favor?

That's okay, this PM probably came off as rude too. I'm not annoyed at you, though it may seem that way. I'm just a very frank person, and I hate gong back and sugar-coating my words. I'm just callin' em like I see em. It takes me a comparative lot of work to make myself sound nice. But don't worry, I'm not sitting here scowling as type this up. I feel strongly about this issue too, that's why I had something up on my profile. I don't really do 'offended', or maybe I'm just offended all the time. O-o.

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

Wow, this guy... Is he being serious?

 

[Saney]

So, I sent a reply to the person who sent me that article, and this is what they sent in reply.

Spoiler

Hum. I haven't checked, and therefore wouldn't know. But just because people won't say being gay is a mental illness doesn't necessarily imply it's not true...

Yes, I'm aware, but I believe it's been proven that being gay increases the likelihood of getting those diseases. I find it ironic that there's no cure.

Not saying they *will* legalize pedophilia, but everyone used to think being gay was wrong. Now they don't. Things change.

Well, gay people don't just wake up one morning and decide they're gay... do they? It's gradual. And I don't think being 'born' with it makes it okay. Some people are 'born' with a tendency towards alcoholism, but that doesn't mean everyone's just gonna let them get drunk all the time and say, 'It's okay, you were born with it, so it must be perfectly natural.' And, if children are raised in a gay home, they will thin that's what a normal family looks like.

Oh, so Wikipedia is a reliable scientific source now?

Rereading the article, I think it brought up many good points. Here are the parts I agree with:
2. On a similar note, homosexuality is proven to cause severe health risks, including, of course, AIDS/HIV. We don't celebrate drug abuse to our children, but instead teach them that such things are dangerous and should be avoided. How is homosexual behavior any different? It could cost my child his life!' Why would you encourage something that could harm you? That's like saying smoking is a good idea. Maybe you won't get a disease. But maybe you will. Why take such a huge risk? Besides, if nobody had sex with more than one person then no body wold have any of these diseases.

3. 'This is not a civil rights issue. One gay activist was quoted as saying that this whole issue is really just about changing the moral perception of homosexuality; they want to make homosexuality morally acceptable by forcing us to treat it the same as heterosexuality. The basis for this notion is that homosexuals experience extreme levels of depression and suicide, leading some to conjecture that this is caused by social attitudes towards gays. Therefore, they conclude, we should attempt to normalize homosexuality and these problems will go away.' They're trying to force people like me, who oppose them, to shut up. Since when is this right? Our side isn't out there yelling and lobbying at them to shut up, so why do they think it's okay to do that to us? But htey aren't going to stop at 'tolerance', I think.

'Ask yourself: If heterosexuals pranced around in the street naked, beating each other with whips, and otherwise being sexually indecent in public, wouldn't we have a few questions about their sanity? How is this acceptable behavior, then, in Gay Pride festivals, parades, and so forth?'

4. Despite arguments to the contrary, gay rights proponents will NOT stop at marriage. As quoted above, this is actually about normalizing homosexuality in the public eye. Our country will most certainly see legislation like that being considered in Brazil, which will make it illegal to even voice an opinion against homosexuality in that country. This includes churches, businesses, and individuals. You may not believe that we would reach such a point with so-called 'thought police,' but remember that we are already seeing lawsuits against people for what amounts to them basically just being opposed to homosexuality. These lawsuits are winning in many cases, so it appears that we already have 'thought police.'" This is what annoys and worries me the most about the gay rights movement.

'6. Allowing gay marriage increases the likelihood that children will be placed with homosexuals by adoption agencies or court proceedings following divorces. Specific scientific evidences have been gathered that children in these environments are at increased risk for stress, depression, and suicide, among other things. These findings have successfully been used and accepted in court decisions that ultimately have lead to several states' decisions not to allow gays to adopt or have foster children.

Besides the increased risk to children, placing them in these environments increases the likelihood that they will emulate or experiment with homosexual behaviors, which have been proven to be harmful and at high risk for disease and mental disorder.' It's bad for children to be in that environment, and children are the future. Everywhere else, whenever a child is imperiled, or harmed in anyway, the grandma lawmakers get all up in arms and pass three hundred million new safely laws. So why not here?

'A) That 10% of all people are gay. This number was contrived from a study done by Kinsey in the 1940's which has since been proven false by several other studies, and by duplication of the original study with a larger sample group. Proper studies have shown the number to actually be less than 2% worldwide.'

B) That people are born gay. No study has ever shown any such thing. A few studies have been presented out of context and said to suggest such findings, but even the authors of the studies, themselves gay, publicly declared that their studies showed no such thing. On the contrary, science has shown that there are specific incidents and experiences in early childhood that can cause an individual to develop same sex attraction. Therapy is available, and recovery is possible, just like for every other mental disorder. One study that is presented out of context is the one in which a certain area of the brain appeared to be different in gay subjects than straight subjects. The study's author stated expressly that this did not prove anything, and other studies have shown that certain behaviors can actually CAUSE such differences in brain development. The gay subjects of the original study had been sexually active for years prior to the study.'

'C) That there are gay animals. This is presented as proof that homosexuality is natural. However, this is yet another case of a study that was both blown out of proportion, and scientifically unsound to begin with. Other scientists have reviewed this supposed evidence and found it wanting on many levels. Furthermore, the presence of a behavior in nature does not justify its practice among humans- you will find that cannibalism is much more prevalent among animals than those behaviors which are being interpreted as homosexual!' Okay, so maybe there are gay animals, but they are the exception, not the rule. Also, as the article says, just cuz animals do it doesn't mean people should do it, unless you think people are animals, in which case, there shouldn't be any laws prohibiting murder, cannibalism, theft... heck, if one thinks people are just highly evolved animals, then why were the Newton shootings wrong? Why was Hitler (*gasp!* Hitler! I shouldn't use Hitler... so unoriginal... but that's beside the point.) wrong? But yeah, that's a whole nuther subject. Anyway, point is, just cuz some animals do it doesn't mean people should. Hey, I wonder if the animals get AIDS? If animals even get AIDS... sorry, I didn't get much sleep last night. Anyway, on with the article.

' 8. Children raised in homes with homosexual "parents" are necessarily deprived of one biological parent. They will have either no mother or no father. This obviously happens in cases of divorce with heterosexuals, as well, but psychologists like Dr. Laura will testify that this is one of the worst things that can happen to a child. In heterosexual relationships, this would be an exception. In homosexual relationships, this would be the rule. (This sort of situation does arise, where a parent leaves an existing family to pursue a homosexual relationship. It happened to my friend.)'
'9. Scientific evidence shows that children are better off in many ways when raised in homes with both a mother and a father. One important article you might read which summarizes the evidence is "Dr. Byrd Provides Testimony In English Court Case Regarding Same-Sex Adoption". Dr. A. Dean Byrd is president of the National Association of Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, a licensed group of psychologists that treat people who do not want to be attracted to the opposite sex.' That's all it's letting me type here.

My main concern is my rights, and the children, because children will become adults one day. We'll be dead, and they'll be doing everything we used to do. What they're taught - by their parents and everyone else - decides the course in which the future flows.

You have nooo idea how much I just want to say, 'So're you.' But I'll be logical. Or try. You're clearly influenced strongly by 'You're own beliefs' too... Outdated? Please reread the part I sent with as much of an open mind as you can, and look at the logic behind it. I tend not to trust new science. It has an unnerving was of being disproven, but that's just me.

Okay. 'And because there's absolutely nothing wrong with being gay.' You present it as though it's fact. You obviously weren't paying attention to what I gave you. If there's absolutely nothing wrong with it, then why do you think everyone thought it was wrong for ages, and many still do? We think, as strongly as you think it's fine, that it's sin. And speaking of sin, if I may, are you using the word form a Christian/Catholic point of view, or just as a synonym for wrong. In other words, are you a Christian/Catholic, or an atheist, or something else? I'm just trying to find out what we have in common, or what we both believe, because what arguments I use depend strongly on that. Again, you don't have to answer, if you don't want to.

Sounds like you're saying to me that you know people who like it being gay/are gay, therefore it's okay. And you basically just said, 'it is because I say so.' Please try to avoid that. It's very illogical. Delicate sensibilities? Don't approve of? You make us sound like somebody's grandma. I wouldn't mind them doing it away somewhere in a corner, but I mind when they want to legalize gay marriage, and when they tell me I have to pretend they're normal. Mostly, I mind that the gay rights movement says everybody has to 'tolerate' them. Tolerance is a joke. They don't want tolerance, they want acceptance - they want their opposition to shrivel up and die. They don't 'Tolerate' us, why should we return the favor?

That's okay, this PM probably came off as rude too. I'm not annoyed at you, though it may seem that way. I'm just a very frank person, and I hate gong back and sugar-coating my words. I'm just callin' em like I see em. It takes me a comparative lot of work to make myself sound nice. But don't worry, I'm not sitting here scowling as type this up. I feel strongly about this issue too, that's why I had something up on my profile. I don't really do 'offended', or maybe I'm just offended all the time. O-o.

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

Wow, this guy... Is he being serious?

Yep, she's deadly serious. Also deadly stupid. I mean, seriously, what is that? What is that?

 

[José Mourinho]

So, I sent a reply to the person who sent me that article, and this is what they sent in reply.

Spoiler

Hum. I haven't checked, and therefore wouldn't know. But just because people won't say being gay is a mental illness doesn't necessarily imply it's not true...

Yes, I'm aware, but I believe it's been proven that being gay increases the likelihood of getting those diseases. I find it ironic that there's no cure.

Not saying they *will* legalize pedophilia, but everyone used to think being gay was wrong. Now they don't. Things change.

Well, gay people don't just wake up one morning and decide they're gay... do they? It's gradual. And I don't think being 'born' with it makes it okay. Some people are 'born' with a tendency towards alcoholism, but that doesn't mean everyone's just gonna let them get drunk all the time and say, 'It's okay, you were born with it, so it must be perfectly natural.' And, if children are raised in a gay home, they will thin that's what a normal family looks like.

Oh, so Wikipedia is a reliable scientific source now?

Rereading the article, I think it brought up many good points. Here are the parts I agree with:
2. On a similar note, homosexuality is proven to cause severe health risks, including, of course, AIDS/HIV. We don't celebrate drug abuse to our children, but instead teach them that such things are dangerous and should be avoided. How is homosexual behavior any different? It could cost my child his life!' Why would you encourage something that could harm you? That's like saying smoking is a good idea. Maybe you won't get a disease. But maybe you will. Why take such a huge risk? Besides, if nobody had sex with more than one person then no body wold have any of these diseases.

3. 'This is not a civil rights issue. One gay activist was quoted as saying that this whole issue is really just about changing the moral perception of homosexuality; they want to make homosexuality morally acceptable by forcing us to treat it the same as heterosexuality. The basis for this notion is that homosexuals experience extreme levels of depression and suicide, leading some to conjecture that this is caused by social attitudes towards gays. Therefore, they conclude, we should attempt to normalize homosexuality and these problems will go away.' They're trying to force people like me, who oppose them, to shut up. Since when is this right? Our side isn't out there yelling and lobbying at them to shut up, so why do they think it's okay to do that to us? But htey aren't going to stop at 'tolerance', I think.

'Ask yourself: If heterosexuals pranced around in the street naked, beating each other with whips, and otherwise being sexually indecent in public, wouldn't we have a few questions about their sanity? How is this acceptable behavior, then, in Gay Pride festivals, parades, and so forth?'

4. Despite arguments to the contrary, gay rights proponents will NOT stop at marriage. As quoted above, this is actually about normalizing homosexuality in the public eye. Our country will most certainly see legislation like that being considered in Brazil, which will make it illegal to even voice an opinion against homosexuality in that country. This includes churches, businesses, and individuals. You may not believe that we would reach such a point with so-called 'thought police,' but remember that we are already seeing lawsuits against people for what amounts to them basically just being opposed to homosexuality. These lawsuits are winning in many cases, so it appears that we already have 'thought police.'" This is what annoys and worries me the most about the gay rights movement.

'6. Allowing gay marriage increases the likelihood that children will be placed with homosexuals by adoption agencies or court proceedings following divorces. Specific scientific evidences have been gathered that children in these environments are at increased risk for stress, depression, and suicide, among other things. These findings have successfully been used and accepted in court decisions that ultimately have lead to several states' decisions not to allow gays to adopt or have foster children.

Besides the increased risk to children, placing them in these environments increases the likelihood that they will emulate or experiment with homosexual behaviors, which have been proven to be harmful and at high risk for disease and mental disorder.' It's bad for children to be in that environment, and children are the future. Everywhere else, whenever a child is imperiled, or harmed in anyway, the grandma lawmakers get all up in arms and pass three hundred million new safely laws. So why not here?

'A) That 10% of all people are gay. This number was contrived from a study done by Kinsey in the 1940's which has since been proven false by several other studies, and by duplication of the original study with a larger sample group. Proper studies have shown the number to actually be less than 2% worldwide.'

B) That people are born gay. No study has ever shown any such thing. A few studies have been presented out of context and said to suggest such findings, but even the authors of the studies, themselves gay, publicly declared that their studies showed no such thing. On the contrary, science has shown that there are specific incidents and experiences in early childhood that can cause an individual to develop same sex attraction. Therapy is available, and recovery is possible, just like for every other mental disorder. One study that is presented out of context is the one in which a certain area of the brain appeared to be different in gay subjects than straight subjects. The study's author stated expressly that this did not prove anything, and other studies have shown that certain behaviors can actually CAUSE such differences in brain development. The gay subjects of the original study had been sexually active for years prior to the study.'

'C) That there are gay animals. This is presented as proof that homosexuality is natural. However, this is yet another case of a study that was both blown out of proportion, and scientifically unsound to begin with. Other scientists have reviewed this supposed evidence and found it wanting on many levels. Furthermore, the presence of a behavior in nature does not justify its practice among humans- you will find that cannibalism is much more prevalent among animals than those behaviors which are being interpreted as homosexual!' Okay, so maybe there are gay animals, but they are the exception, not the rule. Also, as the article says, just cuz animals do it doesn't mean people should do it, unless you think people are animals, in which case, there shouldn't be any laws prohibiting murder, cannibalism, theft... heck, if one thinks people are just highly evolved animals, then why were the Newton shootings wrong? Why was Hitler (*gasp!* Hitler! I shouldn't use Hitler... so unoriginal... but that's beside the point.) wrong? But yeah, that's a whole nuther subject. Anyway, point is, just cuz some animals do it doesn't mean people should. Hey, I wonder if the animals get AIDS? If animals even get AIDS... sorry, I didn't get much sleep last night. Anyway, on with the article.

' 8. Children raised in homes with homosexual "parents" are necessarily deprived of one biological parent. They will have either no mother or no father. This obviously happens in cases of divorce with heterosexuals, as well, but psychologists like Dr. Laura will testify that this is one of the worst things that can happen to a child. In heterosexual relationships, this would be an exception. In homosexual relationships, this would be the rule. (This sort of situation does arise, where a parent leaves an existing family to pursue a homosexual relationship. It happened to my friend.)'
'9. Scientific evidence shows that children are better off in many ways when raised in homes with both a mother and a father. One important article you might read which summarizes the evidence is "Dr. Byrd Provides Testimony In English Court Case Regarding Same-Sex Adoption". Dr. A. Dean Byrd is president of the National Association of Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, a licensed group of psychologists that treat people who do not want to be attracted to the opposite sex.' That's all it's letting me type here.

My main concern is my rights, and the children, because children will become adults one day. We'll be dead, and they'll be doing everything we used to do. What they're taught - by their parents and everyone else - decides the course in which the future flows.

You have nooo idea how much I just want to say, 'So're you.' But I'll be logical. Or try. You're clearly influenced strongly by 'You're own beliefs' too... Outdated? Please reread the part I sent with as much of an open mind as you can, and look at the logic behind it. I tend not to trust new science. It has an unnerving was of being disproven, but that's just me.

Okay. 'And because there's absolutely nothing wrong with being gay.' You present it as though it's fact. You obviously weren't paying attention to what I gave you. If there's absolutely nothing wrong with it, then why do you think everyone thought it was wrong for ages, and many still do? We think, as strongly as you think it's fine, that it's sin. And speaking of sin, if I may, are you using the word form a Christian/Catholic point of view, or just as a synonym for wrong. In other words, are you a Christian/Catholic, or an atheist, or something else? I'm just trying to find out what we have in common, or what we both believe, because what arguments I use depend strongly on that. Again, you don't have to answer, if you don't want to.

Sounds like you're saying to me that you know people who like it being gay/are gay, therefore it's okay. And you basically just said, 'it is because I say so.' Please try to avoid that. It's very illogical. Delicate sensibilities? Don't approve of? You make us sound like somebody's grandma. I wouldn't mind them doing it away somewhere in a corner, but I mind when they want to legalize gay marriage, and when they tell me I have to pretend they're normal. Mostly, I mind that the gay rights movement says everybody has to 'tolerate' them. Tolerance is a joke. They don't want tolerance, they want acceptance - they want their opposition to shrivel up and die. They don't 'Tolerate' us, why should we return the favor?

That's okay, this PM probably came off as rude too. I'm not annoyed at you, though it may seem that way. I'm just a very frank person, and I hate gong back and sugar-coating my words. I'm just callin' em like I see em. It takes me a comparative lot of work to make myself sound nice. But don't worry, I'm not sitting here scowling as type this up. I feel strongly about this issue too, that's why I had something up on my profile. I don't really do 'offended', or maybe I'm just offended all the time. O-o.

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

Ughh.... I got a lot of things to say about this, but I can start by pointing out that he missed Point #5.

And I like how he points out to Saney as someone else's grandma even though he made a TL;DR reply.

 

[Bugaboo]

A while ago Rush Limbaugh said that the legalization of gay marriage will make pedophilia normal.
I get that it's his job to be controversial, but what the hell is the logical turn of events that will cause this to happen?
1. Gay marriage legal
2. ???
3. PEDOPHILES EVERYWHERE

 

[Saney]

A while ago Rush Limbaugh said that the legalization of gay marriage will make pedophilia normal.
I get that it's his job to be controversial, but what the hell is the logical turn of events that will cause this to happen?
1. Gay marriage legal
2. ???
3. PEDOPHILES EVERYWHERE

According to the fundie I'm talking to, becoming more tolerant of gay people somehow means that we'll come to accept pedophiles. Yeah, I don't know either.

 

[mendoza]

A while ago Rush Limbaugh said that the legalization of gay marriage will make pedophilia normal.
I get that it's his job to be controversial, but what the hell is the logical turn of events that will cause this to happen?
1. Gay marriage legal
2. ???
3. PEDOPHILES EVERYWHERE

According to the fundie I'm talking to, becoming more tolerant of gay people somehow means that we'll come to accept pedophiles. Yeah, I don't know either.

They are attempting to make a slippery slope argument.

It is true that gays used to be looked down on by mainstream society and homosexuality was once labeled a mental illness by mainstream psychiatry.

But now that we have a more tolerant society and homosexuals are no longer treated like mental patients, they believe the same thing will eventually happen to pedophiles who are currently still looked upon in horror by mainstream society.

This is a logical segue to them, because in their minds homosexuality is no better or worse than pedophilia, so they see acceptance of one as opening some kind of free-for-all gateway leading to the other. And then for extra lulz they will sometimes throw polygamy, necrophilia and beastiality into their argument. Well, with furries and Bronies getting the mainstream treatment these days, they might not be so far off on that last one.

 

[Judge Holden]

^ Because not suppressing consenting adults (preferably violently with fire and stoning involved) for their basic identity is an equal evil to mass child rape.

Or to be more exact not hating people fundies find "icky and weird" makes you and society pure evil because you are denying fundies their "entitlement" to get away with spitting on people they find icky and weird, and the purest "icky and weird" evil fundies can think of is pedophillia.

Its like why they say humanism will lead to the state mass murdering "useless" people. Humanism defies their delusions of being the absolute moral best of humanity, and thus it "must" be pure evil and thus it is equal to naziism

 

[Judge Holden]

It is true that gays used to be looked down on by mainstream society and homosexuality was once labeled a mental illness by mainstream psychiatry.

But now that we have a more tolerant society and homosexuals are no longer treated like mental patients, they believe the same thing will eventually happen to pedophiles who are currently still looked upon in horror by mainstream society.

Plus what those who like reminding us that "dem damn dirty homos used to be seen as insane before evul political correctness stopped us from putting them in asylums" neglect to mention is that the same used to happen to women who were seen as "nymphomaniacs". I.e. prostitutes, women percieved as being too "slutty" (loveshys dream right here) or even women who enjoyed sex instead of seeing it as their babymaking duty.

This is a logical segue to them, because in their minds homosexuality is no better or worse than pedophilia, so they see acceptance of one as opening some kind of free-for-all gateway leading to the other. And then for extra lulz they will sometimes throw polygamy, necrophilia and beastiality into their argument.

True, since they pretty much define any sex they disapprove of as some variety of "Icky sex", which is pretty much everything non hetro missionary.

Well, with furries and Bronies getting the mainstream treatment these days, they might not be so far off on that last one.

On the other hand, the fact their number 1 enemy is accusations of horsefuckery makes it clear bestiality is still safely freaking everyone the fuck out

 

[sparklemilhouse]

I have two from my college years:

Rachael the tard - Rachael claimed she had Aspergers so it was perfectly ok for her to stomp down the halls all hours of the night, have loud conversations outside of peoples doors late at night, hang underwear that someone left in the bathroom on the RA's door, pick fights with girls (this was at a womens college), and there was rumors that there were mice in her room because her room was so fucking filthy.

She was also a chronic liar, to the point where it was documented in her case file with Residence Life (nobody snooped, my friend was at someones desk and her file was open, and it said there bright as day "chronic liar"). This is all I can remember from her lies:

-That she attended many colleges including Hollins, Yale, I forgot the others...
-That her parents were rich, and had several houses, and owned several buildings downtown
-She dated a male underwear model
-That she sold designer purses online (I saw her walking around with an LV Speedy once, probably fake, but her mommy probably told her it was real)
-That she was from New York (she wasn't she was from northern va like most students at our college)
-I remember the first fucking day I was at college, she claimed that she was getting this special shelf sent in so she could keep this canned tea she loved on it -- WHAT THE FUCK.

Rachael was kicked out of the dorms (all of them) a little bit after I left that dorm building (I transferred to a single in the building reserved for the military students, thank god). She got in a big fight with my friend, and my college was like FUCK NO and she was gone. I still saw her around campus, but I'm pretty sure she never graduated.

(I never use the word "tard" for people -- her and Chris are my only exceptions, because they ARE)

MaryKatherine - LONG STORY. Way back to 2003 for this one. In 2003 I finally decided to go to real school, and started at this little branch of a big community college in Williamsburg, VA. I met this annoying as hell chick named Mary Kathernine. Girl never shut up. Girl clung to anybody who would talk back to her, including me. One time I witnessed her bringing a subway sandwich into a classroom--right before class started. I think she's the reason why food and drink was banned from the building shortly after (which SUCKED. Due to space constraints our classes were three hours long!).

I left that community college and transferred to another CC in 2005. I graduated from there in 2008, and transferred to a womens college, about 400 miles away from Williamsburg.

Day after I move in senior year, my friend who is an RA told me that there was a girl similar to me who just transferred, and that she was an older student (I was 25 when I got to college) and she was really nervous. I said what the hell and came by.

IT WAS MARY KATHERINE. I hadn't seen her in 7 years, but there she fucking was AT MY SCHOOL. At this rate, I was 26 and she was 24, I think. Somehow, the older she got, the stupider she became. This is from all the stuff my friends told me (who she clung onto, it got to the point where right before I graduated I filed a report on her stalking my friends):

-Mary Katherine saw how many lesbians were at my school, so she suddenly decided that she was gay too, just to fit in. She came from a very strict background, catholic school, freaked out when she saw a condom in community college, you know that type.

-She'd sneak in on people sleeping in their rooms and look at them ... sleeping. This shit started like, the first week of the fall semester.

-She walked around the halls in her underwear.

-One time she was sunbathing outside in her underwear. The next day the entire college got an email that was pretty much, "DON'T DO THAT EVER."

-She weaseled her way into a dorm to "check on a friend who had a headache" she was just wanting to see this girl that she was stalking.

From what I gather, she's still at my college. She has to be nearly 28 by now. She's been in college non stop, no breaks, for 10 years.

 

[sparklemilhouse]

^ That guy sounds like this blind (and maybe possibly autistic?) guy I fooled around with for a few months near the end of undergrad. He volunteered at the American Shakespeare Center, so I guess people there felt sorry for him, so they helped him with a read-thru of his play at this Tea House in town. Being the chick he was fooling around with, I decided to go.

That shit was so boring. The play sounds really similar to your doofuses play.

 

[Surtur]

Henry, send the script my way, I am a sucker for bad writing.

 

[MysticMisty]

This doesn't really count, but it's just so bizarre I have to lump it in here anyways. So, I took a painting course offered by the local community college last fall. Art is fun for me, and I wanted to learn how to paint since it was the one thing I didn't really know. Thing is, this class is way on the other side of town, but there's a bus route that goes right to that campus and a bus stop for that route is very near my house, so it wasn't that inconvenient.

One afternoon on the bus late in the semester this obviously retarded guy got on. I have to give him props for being able to ride the bus by himself but...holy fucking shit he reeked. I wasn't even that close to him and I could smell him clearly, it was that bad. Homeless person bad, except he was obviously not homeless (probably similar to what Chris is said to smell like). Normally I just read a book or play games on my Nintendo DS, but the smell of this guy made me look up. I probably would have looked back down except...this guy had fresh food stains all over the front of his shirt. And he was bent over slightly, rubbing his chin in the mess. Everyone fucking stared at him. And everybody he sat down near got up and changed seats at the first possible chance just to get away from him/the smell. Never saw him again on the bus, thank god.

More bus fun!

Every other Thursday my old school evidently has a program in which all the special ed kids take the city bus to a workshop somewhere. A few of them look (and act) almost neurotypical while others are near vegetables, but most of them you could tell had a pretty bad case of autism (except for the few kids with down syndrome, they were the most obvious). This one student (one of the badly autistic ones) had an obvious crush one me.... He'd sit next to me, beg to play my DS if I had it out, beg to read my book if I was reading, or beg the other kids to play whatever games they were playing (only one PSP, everyone else seemed to have iPads), always very loudly. No matter what he was begging though he always leaned fully on me, even when I would tell him to please not lean on me.

One day the PSP guy actually loaned him the PSP, so I was relieved that he wouldn't bug me for once. Unlucky for him one of the teachers sat down nearby and demanded he put it away because she considered this class time, so he'd have to wait until lunch tomorrow to play a game. I happened to have my DS out, so he pointed to me and screamed that I have a game out, and that's not fair. The teacher looked ready to tell me to put my DS away to make him shut the fuck up, so I firmly said (mostly to her) that I am not part of their group and thus can do whatever the hell I want to pass the time to my destination. He bawwwed and pitched a fit all the way to their stop, I could tell the teachers were ready to kill him, but they restrained themselves on the bus. Once he and the teachers got off though they were pissed at his inability to control himself in public.

I sort of thought he wouldn't be allowed to go again to whatever to go to do, but a couple weeks later he got on with the rest of them. He never sat next to me again though, either they told him he wasn't allowed to sit by anyone not in the group or he just hated me because of the trouble he got in. It was a relief though, I really didn't like him leaning on me, or telling me how to play my own games, which he wasn't even familiar with. Weird advice too, like "BE CAREFUL ON THE LADDER!" or "BE CAREFUL RUNNING LIKE THAT YOU'LL TRIP!"

 

[CatParty]

So, I sent a reply to the person who sent me that article, and this is what they sent in reply.

Spoiler

Hum. I haven't checked, and therefore wouldn't know. But just because people won't say being gay is a mental illness doesn't necessarily imply it's not true...

Yes, I'm aware, but I believe it's been proven that being gay increases the likelihood of getting those diseases. I find it ironic that there's no cure.

Not saying they *will* legalize pedophilia, but everyone used to think being gay was wrong. Now they don't. Things change.

Well, gay people don't just wake up one morning and decide they're gay... do they? It's gradual. And I don't think being 'born' with it makes it okay. Some people are 'born' with a tendency towards alcoholism, but that doesn't mean everyone's just gonna let them get drunk all the time and say, 'It's okay, you were born with it, so it must be perfectly natural.' And, if children are raised in a gay home, they will thin that's what a normal family looks like.

Oh, so Wikipedia is a reliable scientific source now?

Rereading the article, I think it brought up many good points. Here are the parts I agree with:
2. On a similar note, homosexuality is proven to cause severe health risks, including, of course, AIDS/HIV. We don't celebrate drug abuse to our children, but instead teach them that such things are dangerous and should be avoided. How is homosexual behavior any different? It could cost my child his life!' Why would you encourage something that could harm you? That's like saying smoking is a good idea. Maybe you won't get a disease. But maybe you will. Why take such a huge risk? Besides, if nobody had sex with more than one person then no body wold have any of these diseases.

3. 'This is not a civil rights issue. One gay activist was quoted as saying that this whole issue is really just about changing the moral perception of homosexuality; they want to make homosexuality morally acceptable by forcing us to treat it the same as heterosexuality. The basis for this notion is that homosexuals experience extreme levels of depression and suicide, leading some to conjecture that this is caused by social attitudes towards gays. Therefore, they conclude, we should attempt to normalize homosexuality and these problems will go away.' They're trying to force people like me, who oppose them, to shut up. Since when is this right? Our side isn't out there yelling and lobbying at them to shut up, so why do they think it's okay to do that to us? But htey aren't going to stop at 'tolerance', I think.

'Ask yourself: If heterosexuals pranced around in the street naked, beating each other with whips, and otherwise being sexually indecent in public, wouldn't we have a few questions about their sanity? How is this acceptable behavior, then, in Gay Pride festivals, parades, and so forth?'

4. Despite arguments to the contrary, gay rights proponents will NOT stop at marriage. As quoted above, this is actually about normalizing homosexuality in the public eye. Our country will most certainly see legislation like that being considered in Brazil, which will make it illegal to even voice an opinion against homosexuality in that country. This includes churches, businesses, and individuals. You may not believe that we would reach such a point with so-called 'thought police,' but remember that we are already seeing lawsuits against people for what amounts to them basically just being opposed to homosexuality. These lawsuits are winning in many cases, so it appears that we already have 'thought police.'" This is what annoys and worries me the most about the gay rights movement.

'6. Allowing gay marriage increases the likelihood that children will be placed with homosexuals by adoption agencies or court proceedings following divorces. Specific scientific evidences have been gathered that children in these environments are at increased risk for stress, depression, and suicide, among other things. These findings have successfully been used and accepted in court decisions that ultimately have lead to several states' decisions not to allow gays to adopt or have foster children.

Besides the increased risk to children, placing them in these environments increases the likelihood that they will emulate or experiment with homosexual behaviors, which have been proven to be harmful and at high risk for disease and mental disorder.' It's bad for children to be in that environment, and children are the future. Everywhere else, whenever a child is imperiled, or harmed in anyway, the grandma lawmakers get all up in arms and pass three hundred million new safely laws. So why not here?

'A) That 10% of all people are gay. This number was contrived from a study done by Kinsey in the 1940's which has since been proven false by several other studies, and by duplication of the original study with a larger sample group. Proper studies have shown the number to actually be less than 2% worldwide.'

B) That people are born gay. No study has ever shown any such thing. A few studies have been presented out of context and said to suggest such findings, but even the authors of the studies, themselves gay, publicly declared that their studies showed no such thing. On the contrary, science has shown that there are specific incidents and experiences in early childhood that can cause an individual to develop same sex attraction. Therapy is available, and recovery is possible, just like for every other mental disorder. One study that is presented out of context is the one in which a certain area of the brain appeared to be different in gay subjects than straight subjects. The study's author stated expressly that this did not prove anything, and other studies have shown that certain behaviors can actually CAUSE such differences in brain development. The gay subjects of the original study had been sexually active for years prior to the study.'

'C) That there are gay animals. This is presented as proof that homosexuality is natural. However, this is yet another case of a study that was both blown out of proportion, and scientifically unsound to begin with. Other scientists have reviewed this supposed evidence and found it wanting on many levels. Furthermore, the presence of a behavior in nature does not justify its practice among humans- you will find that cannibalism is much more prevalent among animals than those behaviors which are being interpreted as homosexual!' Okay, so maybe there are gay animals, but they are the exception, not the rule. Also, as the article says, just cuz animals do it doesn't mean people should do it, unless you think people are animals, in which case, there shouldn't be any laws prohibiting murder, cannibalism, theft... heck, if one thinks people are just highly evolved animals, then why were the Newton shootings wrong? Why was Hitler (*gasp!* Hitler! I shouldn't use Hitler... so unoriginal... but that's beside the point.) wrong? But yeah, that's a whole nuther subject. Anyway, point is, just cuz some animals do it doesn't mean people should. Hey, I wonder if the animals get AIDS? If animals even get AIDS... sorry, I didn't get much sleep last night. Anyway, on with the article.

' 8. Children raised in homes with homosexual "parents" are necessarily deprived of one biological parent. They will have either no mother or no father. This obviously happens in cases of divorce with heterosexuals, as well, but psychologists like Dr. Laura will testify that this is one of the worst things that can happen to a child. In heterosexual relationships, this would be an exception. In homosexual relationships, this would be the rule. (This sort of situation does arise, where a parent leaves an existing family to pursue a homosexual relationship. It happened to my friend.)'
'9. Scientific evidence shows that children are better off in many ways when raised in homes with both a mother and a father. One important article you might read which summarizes the evidence is "Dr. Byrd Provides Testimony In English Court Case Regarding Same-Sex Adoption". Dr. A. Dean Byrd is president of the National Association of Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, a licensed group of psychologists that treat people who do not want to be attracted to the opposite sex.' That's all it's letting me type here.

My main concern is my rights, and the children, because children will become adults one day. We'll be dead, and they'll be doing everything we used to do. What they're taught - by their parents and everyone else - decides the course in which the future flows.

You have nooo idea how much I just want to say, 'So're you.' But I'll be logical. Or try. You're clearly influenced strongly by 'You're own beliefs' too... Outdated? Please reread the part I sent with as much of an open mind as you can, and look at the logic behind it. I tend not to trust new science. It has an unnerving was of being disproven, but that's just me.

Okay. 'And because there's absolutely nothing wrong with being gay.' You present it as though it's fact. You obviously weren't paying attention to what I gave you. If there's absolutely nothing wrong with it, then why do you think everyone thought it was wrong for ages, and many still do? We think, as strongly as you think it's fine, that it's sin. And speaking of sin, if I may, are you using the word form a Christian/Catholic point of view, or just as a synonym for wrong. In other words, are you a Christian/Catholic, or an atheist, or something else? I'm just trying to find out what we have in common, or what we both believe, because what arguments I use depend strongly on that. Again, you don't have to answer, if you don't want to.

Sounds like you're saying to me that you know people who like it being gay/are gay, therefore it's okay. And you basically just said, 'it is because I say so.' Please try to avoid that. It's very illogical. Delicate sensibilities? Don't approve of? You make us sound like somebody's grandma. I wouldn't mind them doing it away somewhere in a corner, but I mind when they want to legalize gay marriage, and when they tell me I have to pretend they're normal. Mostly, I mind that the gay rights movement says everybody has to 'tolerate' them. Tolerance is a joke. They don't want tolerance, they want acceptance - they want their opposition to shrivel up and die. They don't 'Tolerate' us, why should we return the favor?

That's okay, this PM probably came off as rude too. I'm not annoyed at you, though it may seem that way. I'm just a very frank person, and I hate gong back and sugar-coating my words. I'm just callin' em like I see em. It takes me a comparative lot of work to make myself sound nice. But don't worry, I'm not sitting here scowling as type this up. I feel strongly about this issue too, that's why I had something up on my profile. I don't really do 'offended', or maybe I'm just offended all the time. O-o.

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

Wow, this guy... Is he being serious?

i almost punched my computer screen.

seriously, fuck those assholes.

 

[Bugaboo]

I finally read that fundie's shit arguement and I'm like what.
I don't get why people say HIV and AIDS are "gay diseases" because you're just as likely to get it if you sleep around a lot and you're heterosexual. Is it because they think all gays are just so into sex and have a billion partners all the time? It's like they've never met a gay person and talked to them for more than five seconds.

Also there are gay animals, I can name several species who have been observed to be homosexual off the top of my head.
-Sheep
-Swans
-Penguins
-Lions (Sometimes two males will rule a pride and they'll regularly have sex to keep the bond between them strong so they can both continue to rule)

 

[Saney]

Wow, this guy... Is he being serious?

i almost punched my computer screen.

seriously, fuck those assholes.

Seconding that. Honestly, with each reply she sends, I feel more and more like starting my replies with "Dear bitch" and ending with "You're being a dumbass, cut that out".

I finally read that fundie's shit arguement and I'm like what.
I don't get why people say HIV and AIDS are "gay diseases" because you're just as likely to get it if you sleep around a lot and you're heterosexual. Is it because they think all gays are just so into sex and have a billion partners all the time? It's like they've never met a gay person and talked to them for more than five seconds.

Also there are gay animals, I can name several species who have been observed to be homosexual off the top of my head.
-Sheep
-Swans
-Penguins
-Lions (Sometimes two males will rule a pride and they'll regularly have sex to keep the bond between them strong so they can both continue to rule)

Well, of course she's never talked to a gay person, that's a good way of catching gay! Because that exactly how that works, right? Being gay is somehow both a mental and physical disease?

 

[CatParty]

Well, of course she's never talked to a gay person, that's a good way of catching gay! Because that exactly how that works, right? Being gay is somehow both a mental and physical disease?

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