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DragoonSierra said:
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Before you decide to go all internet vigilante, it implies that the third party is usually the treatment provider.
 
Splendid Meat Sticks said:
American Social Security is pretty much all federal, so this is very unlikely to become a problem for him.
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Powerlevel: I'm deaf and have received SSDI in the past and almost everybody I know has had SSDI so I'm fairly familiar with the system

This isn't the case. The feds give out a certain amount and states can choose to supplement it with more to adjust for the cost of living. California has one of the highest supplements so I'm sure Phil will try to stay in the California system for as long he can for max $$$ but if they find out that he's been living in Oregon, that could cause some issues.

One of my friends in college who was an older student ran into this exact problem and his home state said they weren't going to pay up anymore but the state the college was in said it was the home state's problem. They did pay out the same amount he was getting until the home state took his case back after pressure from the college state who didn't want to be on hook for his benefits. There's a student exemption for residency purposes but past a certain age, you have to put in more leg work to get the exemption which he wasn't aware of. Homeless people may have an exemption too but I wouldn't know about this.

Never been through a disability review even if I get letters saying that I'm due for one. I generally ignore them because it has "PERMANENT DISABILITY" right on the letter and my state will still give benefits even if you get a cochlear implant (some stop paying up a few years after being implanted which is shitty because it's not a miracle cure and people might not be able to find work anyway). I've done some audits in the past but not for disability, just to make sure that I don't have any other income or assets or people providing support like having someone pay for your housing or food. They pay out less if you have income over $20 or receive support and if you have more than $2000 in assets, you're not eligible for benefits anymore.
 
Martin Van Buren said:
One of my friends in college who was an older student ran into this exact problem and his home state said they weren't going to pay up anymore but the state the college was in said it was the home state's problem. They did pay out the same amount he was getting until the home state took his case back after pressure from the college state who didn't want to be on hook for his benefits. There's a student exemption for residency purposes but past a certain age, you have to put in more leg work to get the exemption which he wasn't aware of. Homeless people may have an exemption too but I wouldn't know about this.
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The legal landscape on that issue is actually rather complex. In general, a state can't outright deny benefits to new residents, even its own state benefits. Saenz v. Roe (1999). This doesn't necessarily mean new residents are entitled to absolutely equal treatment, but attempts specifically directed at discouraging movement between states by punishing those who do so is not going to pass muster.

In fact, it was California with its generous benefits package that tried to exclude new residents from such benefits. (It concerned state benefits rather than federal benefits but the same general principle would probably apply to state supplements to federal benefits as well, especially if limitations were specifically targeted at new residents in attempts to exclude undesirable vagrants such as, e.g., Phil.)
 
Pikimon said:
maybe he got all those tattoos and doesnt shower so he can keep getting tardbucks.
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This is partially likely. I think he just has his 'thing' for tattoos because of his 13 year old edgy mentality, but those are also things roadblocking him (of his own choice, no less, as nobody forces you to get ink) from finding any real work. Only people who wouldn't GAF about a lot of tattoos would be labor intensive blue collar jobs.

The poor hygiene is a classic scam of those who want to abuse the system. I saw it all the time when I was the head manager of a sporting goods store, people on unemployment need to act like theyre looking for work and so they come in looking like a dumpster fire, smell like shit, dress like shit, etc. and ask for employment applications fully knowing they won't are hired, but it shows the state unemployment people that they're "trying" to find a job.

Minor power level and possible a-log, but the entire system from unemployment to social security needs completely gutted and revamped so that it only helps people with actual problems, like the elderly who physically can not work or our combat veterans who have lost limbs in service to the country. It really, truly, honestly, should NOT be for mongoloids like Phil who are physically able to work. And I know we make jokes about him being a pussy, but the guy is, what, 5'11" and like 250 pounds? Even in an out of shape state, he SURELY has physical strength enough to be doing some real work. It just peeves me off that our social safety net when from helping those in true need to helping those who have controllable behavior issues, but choose to not control them, I.E. Phil's chimpouts.

My only solace in his case is he gets VERY little SSDI money anyway and what he does get he blows it away immediately. He is above the types of scumbags who hoard SSDI money and then buy expensive toys and go on vacations. At least he keeps Sonju in business, Sonju seems like a genuinely alright guy so w/e, it isn't the end of the world. Whether he gets his mongo-bux taken away or not, he is barely able to do anything with them anyway because he is A) stupid and B) doesn't get enough to actually do anything. He'd make more annual income flipping burgers.

If that is how Phil choose to live, I find it sad when compared to some of other Kiwis in their late 20s and early 30s. I literally just turned 30 very recently and I make about 70,000 a year, I can not fathom a life where I am not working and earning good money. phil thinks he is free, but having that dosh and good vacation hours is a lot more freedom than what he has, plus the satisfaction of doing something important in a community, that brings me genuine happiness regardless of the salary.

Sorry for the rant fam, a bit drunkish/hungover yet from last night, my inhibitions are still out of whack.
 
Jace E. Denton said:
This is partially likely. I think he just has his 'thing' for tattoos because of his 13 year old edgy mentality, but those are also things roadblocking him (of his own choice, no less, as nobody forces you to get ink) from finding any real work. Only people who wouldn't GAF about a lot of tattoos would be labor intensive blue collar jobs.

The poor hygiene is a classic scam of those who want to abuse the system. I saw it all the time when I was the head manager of a sporting goods store, people on unemployment need to act like theyre looking for work and so they come in looking like a dumpster fire, smell like shit, dress like shit, etc. and ask for employment applications fully knowing they won't are hired, but it shows the state unemployment people that they're "trying" to find a job.

Minor power level and possible a-log, but the entire system from unemployment to social security needs completely gutted and revamped so that it only helps people with actual problems, like the elderly who physically can not work or our combat veterans who have lost limbs in service to the country. It really, truly, honestly, should NOT be for mongoloids like Phil who are physically able to work. And I know we make jokes about him being a pussy, but the guy is, what, 5'11" and like 250 pounds? Even in an out of shape state, he SURELY has physical strength enough to be doing some real work. It just peeves me off that our social safety net when from helping those in true need to helping those who have controllable behavior issues, but choose to not control them, I.E. Phil's chimpouts.

My only solace in his case is he gets VERY little SSDI money anyway and what he does get he blows it away immediately. He is above the types of scumbags who hoard SSDI money and then buy expensive toys and go on vacations. At least he keeps Sonju in business, Sonju seems like a genuinely alright guy so w/e, it isn't the end of the world. Whether he gets his mongo-bux taken away or not, he is barely able to do anything with them anyway because he is A) stupid and B) doesn't get enough to actually do anything. He'd make more annual income flipping burgers.

If that is how Phil choose to live, I find it sad when compared to some of other Kiwis in their late 20s and early 30s. I literally just turned 30 very recently and I make about 70,000 a year, I can not fathom a life where I am not working and earning good money. phil thinks he is free, but having that dosh and good vacation hours is a lot more freedom than what he has, plus the satisfaction of doing something important in a community, that brings me genuine happiness regardless of the salary.

Sorry for the rant fam, a bit drunkish/hungover yet from last night, my inhibitions are still out of whack.
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What do you do?
 
Ravenor said:
I'm still on the hunt for whoever provided that bunch of stolen medical data to him - but I wouldn't be so sure he's smart enough to not at least consider handing over false or misleading paperwork to the government Phil thinks he's smarter than every one else even though deep down he knows he's really not.

And his luck is running out, he's not got long left before it all comes crashing down.
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Good, I hope you're right man.

Pikimon said:
maybe he got all those tattoos and doesnt shower so he can keep getting tardbucks.
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I get what you're saying, but on the other hand, you'd think getting all those tats would jeopardize those tardbucks, too. I don't know shit about getting tattoos, but I wonder if there isn't a paper trail (receipts?) that prove when he got them, which would show he's spending that money irresponsibly. I don't know...maybe that's a bit of a reach.
 
@AnOminous Is there anything in the legislation which isn't immediately apparent on the website?

Here, there's a test which is applied in addition to the impairment and treatment tests and that test is that even with a programme of support (which is basically when specialist job agencies get involved and support the client and the employer in trying to accommodate the disabilities), the person would not be able to work 15 hours per week or more in the open labour market for a period of 26 weeks or more within the next two years.
 
repentance said:
@AnOminous Is there anything in the legislation which isn't immediately apparent on the website?
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Yeah, there's enormous amounts of regulations and other voluminous shit that isn't always publicly available, and the personal prejudices of any given ALJ which has a lot more to do with the outcome at that level than in a "real" court because they're not bound by precedents and shit like that.
 
Taxpayer money spent for a good cause; I always believed the government should fund performance arts. Who else is better than Phil at the Squeaking Tard Ballet?
 
I would be surprised if when the next time Phil had to meet with someone he demanded protection. He's not only gotten an entitlement complex, he's got a grand conspiracy that there is an organized group of transphobic racists out to get him and he's too chicken to fight back.
 
Xarpho said:
I would be surprised if when the next time Phil had to meet with someone he demanded protection. He's not only gotten an entitlement complex, he's got a grand conspiracy that there is an organized group of transphobic racists out to get him and he's too chicken to fight back.
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A padded cell would be safe.
 
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