Pitch: Women's Only App Enforced by 3rd Party ID Verification

[Null]

I personally just don't like the idea of accepting government IDs as a commonplace part of a website. Surreal that Jersh himself doesn't find issue with it.

I assume our IDs would not be retained after review but perhaps some sort of verification of deletion would help?

Retention of information would be on the privacy policy of the 3rd party service. I could shop around for a good one but I think there might be issues getting any of them to tolerate a site that will naturally draw fire and put them under the spotlight.

There's no real good alternatives. Either I'm manually verifying them myself, which exposes the platform to more liability since it has to actually process IDs, or I'm accepting pictures or something which is prone to human error and I'm basically just asking a bunch of women to send me selfies.

Generic 3rd party verification sounds like the most sane and accessible option.

 

[Null]

@Null can you please outline exactly how this would work to keep ID's safe? Because so much shit gets hacked now and I know troons would love nothing more than a list of ID's of certified TERFs.

The process works like this:

1. Register on SITE.
2. Forwarded to 3RD PARTY.
3. Data uploaded to 3RD PARTY.
4. Data processed, stored, handled, exclusively by 3RD PARTY.
5. 3RD PARTY asks you for consent to send specific information to SITE (in this instance, only Gender).
6. SITE stores an API token (looks like 'b594e335-ea8d-4a6f-969a-ab167a56eef5').

• This token means nothing on its own.
• This token has value to the 3RD PARTY.
• SITE can check this token against 3RD PARTY to ensure that no one registers twice.

7. In the event of total data breach, hackers get meaningless tokens, F/M.

I'm not settled on an account system yet. You'd basically log in with this token.

 

[A Parroting Puppet]

Null what is up with you and your determination to appease women through moderation? Women already have their own space and it's called society. Every institution bends to their will.

"B-b-b trannies"

MOST WOMEN SUPPORT TRANNIES

Women love eunuchs!

I won't even get into the discussion if this is true or not, but let's go with the idea that it is. Do the majority of women here (or in LCF etc.) which will likely be the majority of the users (at least initially) come across as troon supporters?

"OH BUT IT'S ALL TRANNIES LARPING AS WOMEN"
ID verification.

 

[Lurker]

Why do women think men want to be around trannies?

because they're male

 

[Smegward]

Yeah. Why can't men have a forum which bans women and trannies? What about a forum which just bans trannies? Why do women think men want to be around trannies?

hell yeah!!1! men's rights!!

 

[Taxidermied Rat]

This idea has potential and could even be successful. I occasionally want to post off topic in the man hate thread because I could get exclusively women’s opinions (I don’t since off topic posting is gay). I don’t hate men, however it would be nice to be able to discuss things like pregnancy in an anti-troon way without a man detailing if it gets his dick hard or not.
For what it's worth, I would be willing to pay a fee to join this site as well.

I would agree with other users that this would be significant trouble though. So it might be best to only add this project to your plate if the farms is stable and you have enough bandwith for another website. You could also make an entire section of the farms DMZ, though this would also come with it's own issues.

 

[Dan of Steel]

id be interested in it if it were a money making project, but putting work into something simply so women can have a safe space to bitch and moan? nah homes, count me out.

Yeah. Why can't men have a forum which bans women and trannies? What about a forum which just bans trannies? Why do women think men want to be around trannies?

I'm really getting tired of this selfish childish mindset online. "BAWWWW IF SOMETHING DOESN'T IMMEDIATELY BENEFIT ME THEN IT SHOULDN'T EXIST EVEN IF IT WON'T BURDEN ME AT ALL DURRRRRRRR" How about this, I'll buy you two a juicebox, a coloring book, and some dinosaur nuggies and you can both sit at the kids table and bitch and moan about those dirty evil bitches and whores. I'm sure there are things that you people care about that I don't give a shit about, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't have a place to discuss those things, and women should have places like that as well where they don't have to worry about Buffalo Bill coming in and having a gooning sesh by forcing them to be in his presence.

 

[Banquet Meal]

Yeah. Why can't men have a forum which bans women and trannies? What about a forum which just bans trannies? Why do women think men want to be around trannies?

women have their own set of interests and things that they like to talk about with other women. great, men can share similar interests, but its nice to have camaraderie and friendship with other ladies about issues that they understand as well. so i dont see anything wrong with women not having to involve men in everything, that is as obnoxious as trannies demanding to be in every space as well, because they are also men.

 

[Chongqing]

I like the idea but I wonder who would do the verifying.

 

[Seething Troon Collector]

There's no real good alternatives. Either I'm manually verifying them myself, which exposes the platform to more liability since it has to actually process IDs, or I'm accepting pictures or something which is prone to human error and I'm basically just asking a bunch of women to send me selfies.

Handling PII and becoming a data controller would be a risk. Diffusing/transferring responsibility to a 3rd party service that has the added benefit of ensuring that you are in compliance with data protection laws across many different countries and legal jurisdictions. Transferring the risk to a platform that already has the infrastructure in place to handle it relieves you of the responsibility of having to implement all of it yourself.

The authentication workflow can include the API token and validate that token against an API that the 3rd party service can provide during authentication. I'm not 100% familiar with how they work, but common sense dictates that any token that is generated from them can be validated by a REST endpoint that they'd publish where you give the API a token and it can authenticate it and return 200 if it's good or an error code if it's not.

Assuming that's how that works, it offloads both authentication of the ID and validation of the token off to the service and all you would have to do is store the token in the database and implement a function to check it as part of the authentication workflow.

 

[Squawking Macaw]

3rd party verifications ask for the bar code on your id so they can check it against databases. It's not that simple.

Wouldn't this make the app exclusive to users in the US?

 

[Null]

Wouldn't this make the app exclusive to users in the US?

big verification companies do foreign passports and shit. if there was a thing where people repeatedly used Ghana passports to commit fraud I'd probably geo-limit.

 

[Smegward]

I'm really getting tired of this selfish childish mindset online. "BAWWWW IF SOMETHING DOESN'T IMMEDIATELY BENEFIT ME THEN IT SHOULDN'T EXIST EVEN IF IT WON'T BURDEN ME AT ALL DURRRRRRRR" How about this, I'll buy you two a juicebox, a coloring book, and some dinosaur nuggies and you can both sit at the kids table and bitch and moan about those dirty evil bitches and whores. I'm sure there are things that you people care about that I don't give a shit about, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't have a place to discuss those things, and women should have places like that as well where they don't have to worry about Buffalo Bill coming in and having a gooning sesh by forcing them to be in his presence.

dude's going to establish the no ma'am club.

 

[Oliver Onions]

I think it's a good idea, but the kind of women savvy enough to engage with it would probably also be put off by having to share their ID for that purpose, even with an external third party.

More broadly I really like the idea of anonymising posts after a period of time, not just for user privacy but also because I think it would solve the problem of people liking the post because they like the poster rather than because they agree with what they say, so it would encourage more frank and honest discussion.

 

[Caesar]

Isn't another potential "issue" be that you, a man, own, develop and moderate it?

 

[Useful_Mistake]

The argument would work, but it's not a public forum, it's a private service. I'd defer to @Useful_Mistake for all things related to legal matters, but if it's a private establishment or service, wouldn't Lahmann v. Grand Aerie of Fraternal Order of Eagles apply considering that you could not interact or view any content generated without authorization/membership?

I'd defer to Mr. Hardin to all relevant questions.

However, unlike Null's citation of SCOTUS case, your citation is of Washington Supreme Court. However, I'd say Null is correct in that his citation is inapplicable here. That was an employment case. Generally speaking, groups have a right to exclude peoples based on homosexuality, gender, and the like. "implicit in the right to engage in activities protected by the First Amendment is a corresponding right to associate with others in pursuit of a wide variety of political, social, economic, educational, religious, and cultural ends. [...] Government actions that may unconstitutionally burden this freedom may take many forms, one of which is intrusion into the internal structure or affairs of an association like a regulation that forces the group to accept members it does not desire. Forcing a group to accept certain members may impair the ability of the group to express those views, and only those views, that it intends to express. Thus, freedom of association . . . plainly presupposes a freedom not to associate", "The forced inclusion of an unwanted person in a group infringes the group's freedom of expressive association if the presence of that person affects in a significant way the group's ability to advocate public or private viewpoints." These aforementioned rights are not absolute, of course, "[and] could be overridden by regulations adopted to serve compelling state interests, unrelated to the suppression of ideas, that cannot be achieved through means significantly less restrictive of associational freedoms." Boy Scouts of America v. Dale, 530 U.S. 640, 120 S. Ct. 2446 (2000).

However, state courts routinely like to rule that such Governments have the right to force you to be le diverse. The real question, then, is whether or not Null wants to keep marching to the Supreme Court whenever someone files a lawsuit against him.

However, like I said before, Mr. Hardin is much more suited to answer these questions than I am, and I defer to his opinion, if any, regarding the worthwhileness of this operation

 

[Null]

Isn't another potential "issue" be that you, a man, own, develop and moderate it?

yes which is why i explicitly outline that in the fucking FIRST POST if you would FUCKING READ

 

[KMFDM Sucks]

The process works like this:

1. Register on SITE.
2. Forwarded to 3RD PARTY.
3. Data uploaded to 3RD PARTY.
4. Data processed, stored, handled, exclusively by 3RD PARTY.
5. 3RD PARTY asks you for consent to send specific information to SITE (in this instance, only Gender).
6. SITE stores an API token (looks like 'b594e335-ea8d-4a6f-969a-ab167a56eef5').

• This token means nothing on its own.
• This token has value to the 3RD PARTY.
• SITE can check this token against 3RD PARTY to ensure that no one registers twice.

7. In the event of total data breach, hackers get meaningless tokens, F/M.

I'm not settled on an account system yet. You'd basically log in with this token.

Does a service with a proven security/data handling track record even exist for ID handling? It's hard enough to find VPNs that fit this description.

ETA: And it would require a lot of trust placed in the service that they're running their processes up to spec as advertised.

 

[Caesar]

yes which is why i explicitly outline that in the fucking FIRST POST if you would FUCKING READ

My bad, I am a retard. I did genuinely read it other than that one line.

 

[Null]

Does a service with a proven security/data handling track record even exist for ID handling? It's hard enough to find VPNs that fit this description.

yes. they are routinely used by services like Twitter, LinkedIn, and all Cryptocurrency exchange companies.