Pitch: Women's Only App Enforced by 3rd Party ID Verification

[Sonic]

I promise you, if many of those women were in a different social circle, they'd disagree with the "men can be women" nonsense or they'd be less supportive or sceptical to some extent. Some women are convinced they are fighting the good cause, they are passionate about it and it gives them a good feeling that they tell themselves that they are fighting against oppression. It gives them purpose and something to be invested in. And some are just batshit insane and we should bring back mental asylums and lock up insane people of both sexes.

Not all women, though. I personally have never been willing to compromise and will drop acquaintances like a flaming bag of shit the moment they come out because I'm not interested in the kind of drama those types of friendships bring.

One thing about the women who do support transsexuality is that they typically can't keep their mouths shut about it. Part of the reason women are so supportive alphabet soup types is so they can virtue signal in front of their friends. It's kind of an "Adalia Rose" type of situation - complimenting the ugly, deformed child who's dying out of pity and as a means of acquiring asspats. If you create a community where that behavior is discouraged, then even the fence sitters will keep it to themselves if they want to enjoy the platform.

 

[Cemetery Support]

I’m a dude, my opinion’s probably worth 1/3rd that of a true & honest, XX, ovary-bearing woman’s with this matter.

Having said that: getting physical ID involved sounds like a nightmarish Pandora’s Box that bad actors hostile to the Farms, and all entities associated with Null, could easily exploit.

Also, just putting this out there: most of the women in my life aren’t entirely cognisant of the ramifications involving ID verification, much less how much user data is passively harvested by normie apps/websites/hardware manufacturers/etc. Kiwi chicks don’t need to worry about that stuff too much, but I suspect many non-Kiwi users to be far more ignorant.

It could be by interview and referral? A skype call with an admin gets you in, and you can bring a limited amount of others into the fold after you get in. It could be much less invasive than forking over an image of a government ID

PLEASE. I don't know much about the law, and I know their team said they were expecting the outcome they got and are continuing to fight it, but the Giggle case has had me pessimistic.

That happened in Australia. If you base it in a red state in the US, there is a likelihood that you can get away with it. If it turns into an interstate commerce issue and ends up in a federal court, it could force legal precedent to become set on what a womens-only space should be.

I’m a male, if I need to leave the thread just give this post bells and I will go

 

[Null]

If you're going to cry about the ID verification you will need to fucking explain to me how the steps taken described in post 1 of this thread are inadequate.

Monetization would be through average routes and also play store. It's not an offensive app and I have an idea of how to market it safely which I won't discuss.

 

[Lidl Drip]

I think the most realistic solution is treadmill moderation. Troons have a tendency to make themselves known, so just ban them on sight unrelentingly. Yes, this is an infinite unwinnable battle, but nobody ever won anything meaningful without trying

It's so tiresome though, there are some very dedicated trannies on LCF who always shit up the place and it makes the threads they haunt completely unreadable, especially because people don't just ignore+report them but they reply and argue back and forth over 100s of posts before a mod even gets to it. They also spam CP and gore which makes it so people don't want to visit the site anymore. Having some kind of burden of entry would really get rid of that issue, it's hard to get enough mods so someone is always online to clean up after tranny-shitters.

 

[dramamine]

It's not an offensive app

so no saying the nigger word like on lcf?

 

[Null]

so no saying the nigger word like on lcf?

I was thinking it would benefit from categorizing discussion on a spiciness and make the most uncensored area age gated.

 

[wimzi]

Honestly, it would depend on the 3rd party chosen to handle the ID. Assuming competency and non-street-shittery, I'd be interested in the project, especially if it has an easy to use app interface for mobile phone posting. I've used KYC id verification for crypto and stuff and it was mildly annoying but whatever, so I assume the same services could be employed. The concept of an XX exclusive image board is fun.

 

[LargeChoonger]

If you're going to cry about the ID verification you will need to fucking explain to me how the steps taken described in post 1 of this thread are inadequate.

I personally don't think there's an issue besides the small concern raised here

Both are well intentioned ideas, but how would you go about blacklisting an ID from a nefarious tranny while also not keeping some ID data logged?

It's ultimately rather minuscule, but I think we've learned there's almost no such thing as too careful. However I might be misunderstanding something in the OP

Posts would be earmarked to moderation with this token, similar to an IP address.

Posts would go 'stale' and truly anonymous after a while (1 week? a month?), so there's time to action moderation decision and observe intrusive behavior, but no permanent record like a forum history.

By "truly anonymous", does that mean the token stales as well? "Truly" can be taken to mean either to everyone or only to users

 

[Major]

This sounds like a honey trap

 

[flipwizardmagoo]

@Null When I first read this thread title, I thought it meant that the app would be called “Pitch,” which made sense and was somewhat clever since troons have very different voices from real women that no amount of vocal training/surgery can truly change.

 

[Vecr]

make the most uncensored area age gated

You can't really accept PII for people under 18 though, can you? Or is it fine because it's through a third party? I guess the alternative is the user's age needs to be 25+ for those sections.

 

[Sailor Swift]

Obvious security concerns aside, it could be an interesting venture. I'm not sure if it's still a thing anymore, but LCF had an issue with a particular troon dodging bans and spamming CP and gore. People attempting gayops were common too. This could be a way to avoid all that.

 

[Joe Shmoe]

If you're going to cry about the ID verification you will need to fucking explain to me how the steps taken described in post 1 of this thread are inadequate.

Monetization would be through average routes and also play store. It's not an offensive app and I have an idea of how to market it safely which I won't discuss.

It doesn't even matter if there isn't a hack and it doesn't get public, ID verification on social media becoming normalized is dystopian. Maybe your app will do all these safety steps but who's to say if it gets popular all the social media like Facebook, Instagram, Discord, whatever, start doing it? And if they do that, they will indeed report people to governments for being racist, store ID long term, share information with employers, and so on. Just the concept is wrong itself. The idea that messages on a forum can be directly and verifiably linked to a real, tangible person. There's a beauty to anonymity because you don't have to worry about reputation or any such things, the messages you share aren't written by YOU per se they simply materialize, who knows maybe they're written by multiple people, or an AI, or a government agent impersonating you, or whatever. The messages simply exist in a vacuum and you don't have to consider that there is a person behind them. That's the ideological gripe I have. But for a more real and tangible concern:
1) If someone wanted to get in without being a woman, they could use the ID of a person they know who isn't them
2) If someone wanted to leak information, they could join the forum and work their way up to mod status, or just pay a lot of money to an actual mod to leak information. If you think this is hard and unrealistic, yes it is, but the thing is that the chance of this happening exists, and there are definitely people who would do this.

 

[Rotollo 2]

3. Women are going to distrust a website that's run by a man. Association with the Notorious Cyberbullying Website Kiwi Farms isn't going to help, either.

Null running it is a double edged sword, on one hand it means he will probably try to keep it up just due to people trying to stop it, but on the other it attracts retards trying to get in and fuck it up like flies to shit. Whether it be troons trying to game registaration, people like vordrak fucking with hosting, No Dong pulling bullshit, Lawfare constantly coming in, ect.
I guess the thing would be "are you willing to devote as much time, energy and resources to the App as you do Kiwi Farms" and considering his comments on today's Mati talking about starting a non profit pro-free speech charity, I think he does. Mostly saying these concerns because I do think there's a real market that is wide open for the taking here and I think him leading it could either prove to be the most stable version of the idea or be the deathnail to make others scared shitless of trying the idea again.

 

[Caesar]

It could be by interview and referral? A skype call with an admin gets you in, and you can bring a limited amount of others into the fold after you get in. It could be much less invasive than forking over an image of a government ID

that sounds too close to discord style and we all know what discords are like

 

[Null]

It's ultimately rather minuscule, but I think we've learned there's almost no such thing as too careful. However I might be misunderstanding something in the OP

The system's token is unique to the id on their side. so if they try to re-reg it will make the same token. so it will be banned.

ID verification on social media becoming normalized is dystopian

yeah, well, get used to it. it's coming.

 

[Karen of Human Resources]

I like the idea Null, but I know you mentioned the Play Store and somehow I don't see Google or ios hosting something like that the moment Liz Fong Jones get wind of it.

I'm not a tech person. I certainly think there is a market for it and what you said sounds reasonable.

 

[The Repeated Meme]

Since I am a man, I'm going to offer my unsolicited opinion:

I am in favor of this idea, however I think it would be better to verify all users manually rather than use a 3rd party service. My reasoning is thus:

- Null has a very good reputation of being trust worthy and having privacy respecting data retention policies

- No deplatforming. Doing it on your own means no harassment by people trying to cause problem for the website.

The only real issue with this idea I think is a legal discrimination issue. I am not a lawyer so I'm not qualified to speak on this, but I think only allowing women could lead to some legal issues.

If someone more experienced with the law could give me clarity on whether or not this is actually an issue I'd appreciate it, just for my own curiosity.

 

[Null]

I've run into a real problem: these identity services like Plaid and Stripe do not actually provide the gender field. They seem to deliberately omit that. They'll tell you everything else.

 

[BarberFerdinand]

My opinion doesn't matter here, but I really want null to do this and succeed. Nothing currently on the farms would enrage the trannie crowd like a female only space that they are truly unable to invade would.