Pitch: Women's Only App Enforced by 3rd Party ID Verification

[The lentils]

Just here to say that while I wouldn't personally use that website because I do not want to self dox, I see how other femkiwis could benefit from the space.

I still disagree that this supposed site could become a replacement or serve the same niche as the other farms. I don't think anonymity was LCF's more important aspect. I don't really care that much about it as the third world shithole I inhabit doesn't do much against wrongthinkers (unless they are commies apparently) and personally didn't use the site to "vent".

For me the point of LCF is that it was heavily moderated compared to others IBs and that kept the discussions from turning to shit. It wasn't even a women only space as I'm sure some trannies/men were posting but just not announcing it. BUT if they came in like "dick haver here, i would sex that lolcow" they would be banned on sight. Other examples were the kpopers, who at first got a dedicated thread, but eventually they started bringing their plastic abominations all over the site when nobody wanted to see that and the entire topic got banned as a result. Race sperging being confined to the true crime threads so the americans couldn't make anything else about the glorious BBC, proana shit being banned not for moral reasons but because anas would fight endlessly about the percieved fatness of cows and derail discussions etc.
I don't think kiwifarms of any associated sites could become the next LCF because they represent opposing ideologies about "big state good" and "small state good".

 

[Dyn]

Hey, It's just an idea to get rid of the non-honest woman. Unless Null can hire a small team of non-troon aligned machine learning engineers and more a million dollars in funding, the voice sniffing A.I. isn't going to work (this method would be great imo). I understand that posting medical tests is sensitive info, but details can be redacted to avoid sharing too much. It's better than getting the user base ID doxed by a tech tranny.

Trannies and men infiltrating the site and then quietly fitting in and behaving is not really a problem that needs to be solved. The problem that needs to be solved is that sometimes a man or tranny gets so mad at a female imageboard that he decides to relentlessly spam it with gore and childporn for years at a time.

 

[Justtocheck]

Trannies and men infiltrating the site and then quietly fitting in and behaving is not really a problem that needs to be solved. The problem that needs to be solved is that sometimes a man or tranny gets so mad at a female imageboard that he decides to relentlessly spam it with gore and childporn for years at a time.

Then better moderation/newer moderation methods is the issue that needs to be solved then? Not a private space for women?

are you being deliberately obtuse and retarded and fucking gay? these id verification systems are $1 per id.

No need to be a dick, Null. Many people were having doubts about the privacy of the third party ID apps. And many were saying they would like the space but would absolutely not submit an ID and potentially being doxed. That's why I suggested hypothetically the machine learning Voice sniffing, which, to be honest, if it weren't for trannies it would already exist since the technology is there and there already other men/female detection tests. The medical tests were just me having an idea that was not popular.

 

[VeteranOfTheRetardWars]

When you all bring up IDing out the troons the first thing that pops into my head is Chris-Chan saying “I’m a female, it even says so on my drivers license. Female.”

 

[Metallic Blood]

Seeing Null's unfiltered autistic rage slapfighting a bunch of spergs that can't read a single whole post of text has made this thread to be one of my favorites of all time. Absolute comedy gold.

As for the idea itself, meh, if you can do it then go for it. I do find the pitch to be too complicated to work with (forcing people giving their IDs even if there's no risk, assembling a very competent mod team, making sure it doesn't get attacked by the special folk because a natal woman-only imageboard would probably make people seethe 10x harder than here), but if you think it's not to big too handle, then go for it. Because rn, this app idea seems to need a bigger management than the farms.

 

[Dyn]

Then better moderation/newer moderation methods is the issue that needs to be solved then? Not a private space for women?

Is there a male-welcoming imageboard community that's also struggling to stay afloat because their admins are shit and trannies keep spamming it with gore and child porn?

Because I thought we were talking about lolcow.farm, a private space for women that is dealing with some issues rn.

 

[VeteranOfTheRetardWars]

Is there a male-welcoming imageboard community that's also struggling to stay afloat because their admins are shit and trannies keep spamming it with gore and child porn?

Because I thought we were talking about lolcow.farm, a private space for women that is dealing with some issues rn.

Didn’t the Sharty have a massive problem with that?
Not to mention whatever happened with 8chan and Infinitynext, imageboards in general seem to have big problems.

 

[Reimu Hakurei]

This has to be fake, 50% of my coworkers/university peers in the computer sciences were women. The IT companies employed both computer science and electronics graduates, assuming they hired 75% of people in both thats roughly 50% of the workforce being women. I know first world statistics are not third world statistics but this is definitely not true.

There's definitely more woman in computer science than you'd expect. Anecdotal, but my university's computer science major was 30% women and women outnumber men on my team at work.

What I've noticed, though, is that most women in the industry treat computer science as a job, not as a passion or a hobby or whatever. They go home from work, and instead of turning on the computer and working on some autistic programming side project, they go do something they actually enjoy (or housework). You don't really see that many women who are interested in or have the skill to build a secure and usable app from scratch.

 

[A Cardboard Box]

I'm a man, therefore I will not be posting my opinion, however, I do have a wife, and I will post hers:

For context to help with any kind of marketing/outreach/audience targets: my wife is a pretty moderate, I guess center-right type, however is pretty apolitical outside of the presidential elections. She is a millennial. She uses reddit although that's primarily due to a lack of alternatives for her interests. She is NOT a user of the farms. Basically, she's pretty normie, all things considered. I showed her your pitch, and I briefly generalized who you were and your general beliefs on things like freedom of speech and expression.

The result: My even tempered, loving, gentle wife, went on a fifteen minute, uninterrupted, red in the face tirade about trannies and Pajeets infiltrating women's spaces and how women are silenced for bitching about it. She said that yes, she would use such a service, and yes, she would even pay for it. I asked her to post the question to a couple of her discord groups, which are almost exclusively women, and the response was very similar. These are women that know literally nothing about Kiwi Farms, and are, generally speaking, completely ambivalent about the wider "culture war."

 

[pp6t49]

Yes. I would use this.

You can review them manually. That sounds cool and exclusive and I don't mind or care if you see all that.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

What I've noticed, though, is that most women in the industry treat computer science as a job, not as a passion or a hobby or whatever. They go home from work, and instead of turning on the computer and working on some autistic programming side project, they go do something they actually enjoy (or housework). You don't really see that many women who are interested in or have the skill to build a secure and usable app from scratch.

I don't think most people here treat computer science as a hobby. It's just a means to an end because it's the currently most profitable industry with less entry requirements. I'm sick of computer science and I've done it for around 10 years now. Women do it for the same reasons as I do, easy social credit and job security.

 

[The Tall Man]

Unless the third party verification service was staffed with bad actors, the site itself would never have the identification.

Maybe I’m just being a negative Nancy, but doesn’t it seem like this is exactly how things will unfold?

Site Launches:
Liz Fong-Jones immediately begins reaching out to his contacts, decrying the site as an anti-trans bullying platform created by a known Nazi.

Media Coverage:
His journalist friends publish articles that label the site as a terrorist hub. Wikipedia cites these articles as sources.

Corporate Backlash:
In response, every company without a backbone swiftly cuts ties with the site.

Government Intervention:
Governments influenced by the prevailing narrative classify the site as a hate crime platform.

Data Exposure:
The third-party verification service receives a government message demanding visitor data from the site. Lacking the resolve to resist, they promptly hand over the information.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

Troons (usually) rat themselves out pretty early. I’m wondering why this app couldn’t just have a more basic vetting process where a user answers a few questions and then a mod manually approves it. Bad faith actors who get past that stage would just be banned when the mask slips. I feel like this method gets past the potential security nightmare and legal issues if a pervert uses the ID of another person.

 

[Herr Flick]

As has been observed already, the once reality-correspondent vigorousness of government IDs has been compromised by laws being retarded and permitting trannies to larp on their drivers license. Since it is not a perfect solution on its own, another form of verification should be used in addition. We also know that submitting an ID is an unappealing option to many potential users, but I have a layman’s solution suggested at the end of this post.

Face recognition, taken from specific angles by software in the signup page itself, seems the logical secondary verification method, because it forces the user getting screened to prove that they match the picture on the submitted ID and haven’t just stolen it from a female family member. Confirming the match should be something else that the third party can verify as part of their services.

You could also throw in a voice sample on top of it for manual review, a sort of back up piece of user data collected on signup and kept alongside the ID token until manually verified. All users who pass the photo ID check could get to faff around in a new members forum where their posting habits are observed until their voice samples are analyzed, at which point they either get access to the full app and have their voice sample deleted or get banned.

With a guided signup process, all of these things could be submitted via your phone over the course of a few minutes.

Since the only pieces of ID that are used will be the picture and the F, (and perhaps the birthday/expiration as well,) the upload process on the guided signup ought to implement a blur filter that’s automatically applied to the unused fields such as name and address prior to submission to the verifying third party so that the odds of a tranny intern getting ahold of the full ID is minimized.

With all of this implemented you would have an elegant and rigorous solution that nails verification (and has the voice backup option in case of genderblob) without exposing more personal information than necessary.

 

[Strong Tomato]

I would be very hesitant to give my ID, but I really do crave a space online that is only for actual women. If done well, it may be worth it.

 

[Hubelublub]

I haven't read through the whole thread, I read the first five pages entirely and did my best to scan through the remaining highlights, so I might be repeating what's already been said on the last 14 pages.

The issue with online spaces for <specific demographic> is that either you have a high bar to entry, or a free-for-all. With a high bar creating limited entry, either it's DOA (Google+), or slowly becomes insular and boring. The free-for-all I won't bother to detail the issues, because we are living it everyday and it's complete shite.

You need a feeder (heh) to regularly supply new people to a restricted space, because few will come to it for the space alone. If you surveyed the man-hate thread in particular, but also the Beauty Parlour in general, I'll bet most of the women came to the Farms through a wide variety of cattle, and then expanded onto other more chatty areas of the forum. Not all of us started off drinking the same milk.
For this reason, I'd think you'd need another source initially to feed a sufficient mass number of starting users into this app, as well as some ongoing avenue to encourage a continual stream of diverse newcomers to be invested enough in the app to download it, sign up and submit ID. The higher the bar, the more enticements you need to convince newfags. I don't know where this source would be that isn't the Kiwifarms, which leads to questions of how separate an app this would be.

I never joined Giggle, even if that Sall chick kept sending me invites (and I'm sure she's very nice), because what do I want with a bunch of random women? There are 3.5 billion of them on the planet, how do I know that these ones specifically will be any different than any other group of women? I want to observe and audit before investing.
The Farms allowed me 2 years of non-member lurking, and then another however many years of lurking as a member before actually participating, precisely because there's a low bar to viewing and joining. An upfront ID verification and I wouldn't have been arsed, whereas if you tried that now with the Farms, I might be tempted, solely because I know what value the Farms brings, and I'm now invested enough to (probably) bother.

The ID verification itself I'm not keen on as a blanket rule because I don't trust any corporate or government entity anymore. But I think it might be also looking at the issue the wrong way around.
For years, women's bathrooms worked without guards and doormen. In general, women are fairly good at using social disapproval and strength in numbers to keep out most male miscreants, but that's only with the clear and overt backing of the state to eliminate the worst of the boundary violators. We know we can police the so-so intruders ourselves with our own methods because if they turn truly violent or threatening (that is, go beyond our own capacities), there's backing support of the government, police, legal, brute strength of the security guy out front, whatever.
Women might overall still disapprove of trannies in women's restrooms, but the combination of fewer numbers and the absolute failure of the state to back us up means now we tend to suffer in silence, and so troons fucking do what they like, which only opens up the door to more men violating women's boundaries, and down it goes in a vicious circle.

Men are obvious by the way they write, interact, cough and sneeze, speak, walk, breathe, post, and respond. It's never long before they show themselves up, both online and in real life. Women don't need ID to detect the bepenised and act accordingly.
The DMZ thread works reasonably well because the women there are harsh enough to make being there unpalatable for the majority of men, staying there unpleasant for some who try, and for the few who insist to stay, the 'state' will back up the women by eliminating the bottom-of-the-barrel retards from the whole BP subforum.
There are some men and handmaidens in the man-hate thread which is unfortunate, but again, women have the social skills to figure this out and either bully them or ignore them, provided the men and handmaidens stay in sufficiently low numbers for this to be effective.
I've no idea what it's like from the moderating perspective, perhaps that set up is more effort than desired. From a user perspective, I find it good enough, where the moids and ballwashers aren't overly destructive, and the mods are responsive without being fucking fascist reddit jannies.

I've no idea about the legal restrictions, because I'm not a lawyer, not American, and barely even speak English. This app would be labelled 'a danger to our democracy' before you could even get it off the ground. Politically and legally, I think you'd have an uphill battle on your hands.

But fuck me, I love the idea. No where else has the Kiwifarms 'feel', mods who aren't shitheels, and the freedom to call people niggers and faggots, which is all I really want in life.

 

[KingCoelacanth]

Trannies and men infiltrating the site and then quietly fitting in and behaving is not really a problem that needs to be solved.

Then why not make it a normal forum/image board with some kind of verification method and banning people for disruptive spam.
Does anyone really think there's a reputable 3rd verification service that will let null use it just to discriminate against trannies in the year of 2024

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

could men be able to read it? or is it locked out for anyone who's not a member?

 

[one_time_user]

I may be misunderstanding some of this but it sounds like Datalounge for women? I am not sure what exactly the imageboard idea is- women like to talk. All you need to do is get word to mumsnetters and poof, you have a partial user base.

@Null, on behalf of the terfs, I think you may be the only guy we'd be down with this with, I am interested in seeing tgis play out.

 

[Chromeo]

I would join, I'm female and don't mind verifying my ID. Though I do wonder what it would be like if not like a cozy image board like we have here.