US Plea Agreements Reached with 9/11 Defendants Khalid Shaikh Mohammad, Walid Bin 'Attash and Mustafa al Hawsawi

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3857257/plea-agreements-reached-with-911-defendants-khalid-shaikh-mohammad-walid-bin-at/

https://archive.is/GFzJR

The Convening Authority for Military Commissions, Susan Escallier, has entered into pretrial agreements with Khalid Shaikh Mohammad, Walid Muhammad Salih Mubarak Bin 'Attash, and Mustafa Ahmed Adam al Hawsawi, three of the co-accused in the 9/11 case. The specific terms and conditions of the pretrial agreements are not available to the public at this time.

The three accused, along with Ali Abdul Aziz Ali and Ramzi Bin al Shibh, were initially charged jointly and arraigned on June 5, 2008, and then were again charged jointly and arraigned a second time on May 5, 2012, in connection with their alleged roles in the September 11, 2001, attacks against the United States.

Information regarding military commissions can be found at the Office of Military Commissions website: https://www.mc.mil.

 

[marisa #]

I hate this, and I know exactly why they're doing this... The US is of the opinion that executing high profile prisoners creates martyrs, creating more problems.

Fuck that, they should've fried.

Guantanamo Bay is technically US land. So why doesn’t this guy get a “speedy” trial? 20 freaking years is ridiculous.

Don't know if it happened here, but you can waive this right (and many people do) in order to get more time to prepare a defense in trial.

 

[Agent of Misinformation]

Why are they still alive? What purpose does this serve?

100 years ago they would be dead within a year.

God, I hate how I am reminded of this film from time to time.
Context: Gauntomo Bay has been in the limelight of soldiers torturing POWs. Imagine how long the three Islamic Stooges faced their abuse routine.

 

[herefortheactualthreads]

Bush did 7/11 it was an inside joke yadda yadda yadda Big Murica L right here

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

How cucked is the United States, really? If they let the ragheads who killed nearly 3000 Americans walk away from this, the image of being strong and patriotic should just evaporate forever.

There should be tens of thousands of people ready to drag those assholes out and crucify them Mussolini-style if not just gunning them down. They're all too happy to say that Orange Man being attacked was justifiable, but actually genocidal people? Nooooooo....

The secret is that the masterminds were Americans working for the alphabet agencies and these guys were just the pawns. Not being executed is the closest thing to a reward the secret police can give them.

 

[BrainProlapse]

Surely this is better?

Why would you want to free them from the hell of Guantanamo Bay?

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Were they worried that the waterboarding shit would risk their chance at conviction? Federal prosecutors have a notoriously high conviction rate, so something must’ve spooked them.

It provides an explanation as to why they took 16 years to end up with a plea bargain, that's for sure.

 

[ibeatmywife]

Surely this is better?

Why would you want to free them from the hell of Guantanamo Bay?

Well yea the problem is we don't know what the plea agreement entails and for some reason I doubt they are keeping it hush hush to come out and say don't worry guys we are gonna keep them in GB until they die. It's probably alot more foul of a deal.

 

[bile demon]

DSP looking a bit haggard.

 

[Random Internet Person]

These fucks should have been drawn and quartered and their bacon wrapped remains shipped back to whatever 3rd world sand pit spawned them.. 22 Goddamn years ago.

Except they would have wanted that (minus the bacon part, probably). From what I’ve seen of jihadists, they desire nothing more than dying in a blaze of glory taking out as many infidels as they can, and their being killed being used as the rally cry of a martyr to inspire a new generation of jihadists looking to avenge them as they claim their reward in the afterlife.

Instead, I’m betting these guys are gonna have to face 23 hours a day in a Supermax prison with nothing but their thoughts, and the reaction to their croaking is just a measly “Press S to spit on grave”.

I can understand why the victims’ families are pissed, but denying them their ideal way of leaving the mortal plane is something I can’t be too upset about.

20 plus fucking years.

And they were pending trial under Bush and Trump might I add.

20 years and all these subhumanish cunts have to show, is a PLEA bargain.

Meaning they didn't have evidence to take it to a judge or jury if this is the end result. And this is the same justice system throwing in folks that were just in the vicinity of the state capitol during January 6th.

And how much weak and useless are conservatives, in not trying to see these lot hanging from the end of a rope.

The conspirators that shot me, were hanged within months as soon as they were caught. The folks at Nuremberg were hanged with the year.

The justice system is useless, and the 9/11 victims families wanted to see them hanged as well.

OK so... what the fuck happened since 2008 that a verdict couldn't be reached?
Did everyone go out for a reeeeeeally big cup of coffee?
How many tens of millions of Dollars have been wasted on this crap over the years?
This is legit some fraud case where tons of money were stolen by various 3 letter organizations.

I'm as "send them all back" as they come, but after 20+ years of clown show, and a government more hostile to its own people than foreign attackers, I'm not even that outraged. 7 years for the first charges, 11 for the second attempt, and who knows what for the decade since? Were they building the perfect mastermind case to secure 3000+ murder convictions?

What if they'd spent a year doing the Capone tax approach, and in 2003 charged them with a dozen federal felonies like falsifying documents, visa fraud, disrupting interstate commerce, even bs process crimes like they've been using on Trump associates ("you lied to the FBI agent during hour 7 of him lying to you!"). Unsatisfying, but the 40 year federal sentences (no parole) would mean they're away for life.

Back in Clown World, I'm imagining a movie where the most "take them out back and save the taxpayers millions" type runs into one of these guys in a bar:

"So Mohammed, you gonna plan another?"
(Local news shows middle aged drag queens twerking with children)
"No my friend, I don't see the point any more."
"Got what you wanted huh?"
(TV cuts to Afghanistan collapse footage)
"I don't think either of us wanted this."
(Curb Your Enthusiasm theme plays)

Defendants can waive their right to a speedy trial, which typically is a good idea for complex cases like this since it helps attorneys create a more solid defense. It’s actually fairly common for criminal cases. Still though, cases typically don’t take nearly two decades to go to trial.

The only thing I can think of that was an issue would be the torture, because a defense attorney would argue that those confessions are inadmissible due to being coerced and made under duress.

Also, I’m pretty sure most jihadists openly talk about the shit they did against infidels, how proud they are of doing it, and how they plan on doing it again and again and again. And a guilty plea is pretty much that. So besides torture, I can’t see what a defense attorney what have as a defense, assuming a defense attorney takes this on to begin with.

 

[That Chris Guy]

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DSP looking a bit haggard.

"Oh come on! I coulda beaten Flight Simulator if the fuckin' game hadn't glitched my plane into the fuckin' building!"

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

Defendants can waive their right to a speedy trial, which typically is a good idea for complex cases like this since it helps attorneys create a more solid defense. It’s actually fairly common for criminal cases. Still though, cases typically don’t take nearly two decades to go to trial.

That's...not at all what happened here. First of all, most of the prisoners weren't even charged with crimes for YEARS, because the US military said the charging documents would present a threat to national security. So they were kept incarcerated but without rights. There are still several prisoners there who to this day have not been charged with a crime, and you can't waive your right to a speedy trial if you aren't even charged wit a crime in the first place.

 

[Abraham Lincoln]

I hate this, and I know exactly why they're doing this... The US is of the opinion that executing high profile prisoners creates martyrs, creating more problems.

The US has probably created enough martyrs in the last 20 years. And already is hated by funding Israel, so it already has reached the ultimate hate level for those kind of folks.

And I doubt anyone is going to miss these lot. Since if they get returned back to Saudi Arabia, they are getting tortured by the Saudis over what did they tell the folks at Gitmo.

I can understand why the victims’ families are pissed, but denying them their ideal way of leaving the mortal plane is something I can’t be too upset about.

They are a drain on taxpayers and that logic is used by private prisons to keep beds full, and secular humanist liberals.

Because in general, folks that deserve the death penalty, pile up in prisons then one day, they all get released on compassionate grounds as was seen during the kung flu pandemic.

 

[Standardized Profile]

Guantanamo Bay is technically US land.

It's technically Cuban land. The US is a tenant. We pay rent.

I'm sure this will be controversial, but I like having a legal system that doesn't permit torture as a means of extracting confessions. And I like having a government that doesn't employ a professional cadre of torturers. If the cost of that is letting a few BOP guests die of old age instead of a needle, I'm completely fine with that. When the government misbehaves, it should fail and be humiliated.

 

[Blonrad Blurze]

Personally I'm fine with keeping them locked up if the guards spend a few hours of each day kicking the shit out of them.

 

[los pepes]

It's technically Cuban land. The US is a tenant. We pay rent.

I'm sure this will be controversial, but I like having a legal system that doesn't permit torture as a means of extracting confessions. And I like having a government that doesn't employ a professional cadre of torturers. If the cost of that is letting a few BOP guests die of old age instead of a needle, I'm completely fine with that. When the government misbehaves, it should fail and be humiliated.

Sounds nice in theory except then we look at the J6 hostages and the torture they have experienced in DC gulags to the cheering of the political and media class. The regime would not and does not hesitate to torture American political dissidents. The second it is directly challenged even peacefully like on J6 let alone an actual armed insurrection its response would be widespread torture and atrocity which is simultaneously denied and defended by the gaslighters. No matter how many soccer balls and halal subway sandwiches we give to 9/11 mohammadens will change that or force them to exercise restraint.

 

[Overly Serious]

It's technically Cuban land. The US is a tenant. We pay rent.

I read that Cuba repeatedly refuses to accept the money. They want the US out.

 

[Dagoth AMOGUS]

It's technically Cuban land. The US is a tenant. We pay rent.

I'm sure this will be controversial, but I like having a legal system that doesn't permit torture as a means of extracting confessions. And I like having a government that doesn't employ a professional cadre of torturers. If the cost of that is letting a few BOP guests die of old age instead of a needle, I'm completely fine with that. When the government misbehaves, it should fail and be humiliated.

Not to mention we have treated clearly innocent people pretty poorly even within the framework of our constitution as well. Mostly by letting some legal agents run wild

I don’t think this guy is innocent, I’m just tired of hearing about him and seeing the SAME gross mugshot of his hairy ass after 15 damn years. I can’t think of a reason to keep dragging this out. 3,000 Americans dead is tragic, but why keep reminding us?

 

[Breadbassket]

I love the justice system.

 

[Abraham Lincoln]

Not to mention we have treated clearly innocent people pretty poorly even within the framework of our constitution as well. Mostly by letting some legal agents run wild

I don’t think this guy is innocent, I’m just tired of hearing about him and seeing the SAME gross mugshot of his hairy ass after 15 damn years. I can’t think of a reason to keep dragging this out. 3,000 Americans dead is tragic, but why keep reminding us?

The ATF will kill people in this country just because they had AN ADJUSTABLE STOCK on a rifle less than 14 inches.

 

[LaxerBRO]

Interesting that McVeigh was put to death in a couple years and yet the 9/11 koranimals will be allowed to loaf around for 4+ decades at taxpayer expense. Funny how that works...

They probably kept them at Gitmo or some other out of country military site.

Yes, yes...I know you want a lawyer and our Constitution requires we provide you one...

But what about in Tashkent?

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The US kept Mohamedou Ould Slahi in Gitmo for 14 years without trial. He was suspected of recruiting the 9/11 hijackers but not enough evidence existed in court and due to enhanced interrogation techniques, any evidence obtained from that is inadmissible.

The movie The Mauritanian gives a left of center depict of what happened: