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[Enoby Way]

Edit: i am the latest fag who has ever latefagged, but I see this has not been posted yet:

Multiplicity and Me introduces her DID-believer therapist's new YouTube channel--Dr Mike Lloyd for the CTAD Clinic.



With all the insanity in the community lately (pun not intended, but I'll take it) it looks like someone is bringing in the big guns to prove this interpretation of DID is real. I don't know if Jess herself asked her therapist to make the channel or if he decided it was a good time to jump in. I assume it was probably his idea, I don't think therapists tend to do what their clients tell them to do with their spare time.

My predictions: this will either provide a stabilising element for the community to rally around ("Look, here is a professional!") or, if Dr Lloyd doesn't filter his comments as painstakingly as his client base, a place for sceptical commenters to ask questions and/or express scepticism that won't be deleted, which will detract from this stabilising potential.

The dream would be for Dr Todd Grande to respond to this guy's videos but I don't think Todd is the kind of guy to start an industry slap fight on youtube.

 

[Lieileen]

I've met a handful of leftist Brits who say the same. What exactly is the problem with the source?



Fairly obsessed with this lunatic at the moment. He recently claimed his boss was transphobic on Tik Tok- one can't help but wonder how his boss feels about that, though what an army of angry troon loving teens could do about it is beyond me.

My political compass aside, it’s absolutely not a reliable source.

See the criticism section on the Wikipedia article. Note also that it’s prohibited as a source for Wikipedia articles.

There certainly are issues which have come to light with the Tavistock Clinic but I’d take that article with a pinch of salt until I see the source statistics or found some other media corroboration.

 

[comrade666]

My political compass aside, it’s absolutely not a reliable source.

See the criticism section on the Wikipedia article. Note also that it’s prohibited as a source for Wikipedia articles.

There certainly are issues which have come to light with the Tavistock Clinic but I’d take that article with a pinch of salt until I see the source statistics or found some other media corroboration.

Alright, how about the ten other sources provided.

 

[DissociaDONT]

Edit: i am the latest fag who has ever latefagged, but I see this has not been posted yet:

Multiplicity and Me introduces her DID-believer therapist's new YouTube channel--Dr Mike Lloyd for the CTAD Clinic.

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With all the insanity in the community lately (pun not intended, but I'll take it) it looks like someone is bringing in the big guns to prove this interpretation of DID is real. I don't know if Jess herself asked her therapist to make the channel or if he decided it was a good time to jump in. I assume it was probably his idea, I don't think therapists tend to do what their clients tell them to do with their spare time.

My predictions: this will either provide a stabilising element for the community to rally around ("Look, here is a professional!") or, if Dr Lloyd doesn't filter his comments as painstakingly as his client base, a place for sceptical commenters to ask questions and/or express scepticism that won't be deleted, which will detract from this stabilising potential.

The dream would be for Dr Todd Grande to respond to this guy's videos but I don't think Todd is the kind of guy to start an industry slap fight on youtube.

He works with Dr. Aquaman. Or, rather, they've worked together in the past at the very least. They were in one or two of those informational First Person Plural videos together. First Person Plural being the UK-based organization started by Aquafresh's former-patient and current-business associate.

So he's definitely tied up in that small minority of doctors whose careers depend on DID. From his Twitter, it looks like he's been interacting with the community for a while. He's a supporter of multiplicity being a healthy way to live.

 

[Lieileen]

Alright, how about the ten other sources provided.

I didn’t read them .
Do they confirm the 35% figure in the Mail?

I’m not disputing the idea at all, I just jumped on the Mail article as they have a habit of sensationalising this kinda of thing. They’re as loose with statistics as Chloe.

 

[BOONES]

Excuse me but my pronouns are go/fuck/yourself. Thanks sweetie.

 

[comrade666]

I didn’t read them .

Shocking.

Do they confirm the 35% figure in the Mail?

I’m not disputing the idea at all, I just jumped on the Mail article as they have a habit of sensationalising this kinda of thing. They’re as loose with statistics as Chloe.

The Mail article, as I stated...

There are some newspaper articles that may also be of interest...

...was additional reading preceded by numerous other sources. Perhaps you ought to jump on points of contention with a little less haste. Do you have a vested interest in the clinic, or are you really that concerned about journalistic integrity in the coverage of troonery?

 

[Lieileen]

Shocking.



The Mail article, as I stated...

...was additional reading preceded by numerous other sources. Perhaps you ought to jump on points of contention with a little less haste. Do you have a vested interest in the clinic, or are you really that concerned about journalistic integrity in the coverage of troonery?

As I said previously, seeing the Mail being used as a source in general boils my piss.
Additional reading or not, it’s a rag with no academic value.

I probably should jump to points of contention with less haste however though, yes.

Edit: okay Daddy. I quiet now.

 

[comrade666]

As I said previously, seeing the Mail being used as a source in general boils my piss.
Additional reading or not, it’s a rag with no academic value.

I probably should jump to points of contention with less haste however though, yes.

Fair enough. But remember that all journalism is filtered through a lens of bias; that of the individual journalist and that of the organisation for whom they write. There is no such thing as free press. Tabloids and broadsheets are generally never reliable academic sources - but learn to look beyond journalistic bias and the spin of a story. There will always be fact somewhere no matter how distorted. In this instance, this is an article some leftist outlets would not publish - that is the merit of the Mail. They may publish a story with a certain spin but it is down to you to dissect the information and find additional external sources to support or disprove their stance. There is no free press, no morally superior press, no strictly academic press, merely press you agree with, and press you do not. I'll leave this here - I'm derailing.

Edit: okay Daddy. I quiet now.

ETA - Jesus Christ what the fuck

 

[Enoby Way]

Forrmer journalist here, here is my sperg on whether the Daily Mail in general, and this article in particular, can be trusted:

Spoiler

This article looks like some very solid reporting; the main focus is on the clinic fucking up, and they go in on that citing their sources and backing their arguments all the way. Kinda beautiful to watch. The journalist gave the centre the right of reply (twice!) and the autism and gender dysphoria is not cast as a black and white issue, either, showing the author's commitment to balanced and ethical reporting.
The autism expert interviewed, Dr Sally Powis, has 20 years of experience and is highly placed in the field, showing the author took the time to contact a genuine expert. I trust it, insofar as I trust any news article.

Worth noting also that journalists, at least in my experience, don't write the headlines to their own articles; that is the sub-editors and editors' jobs. Notice how the NHS is mentioned prominently in the headlines in a provocative way, but barely featured in the article itself? And the article itself is far less provocative? Yeah. Headlines are more of a marketing area than a journalistic one.

On the flip side, the DM has a general reputation as a right-leaning bloodthirsty tabloid to overcome (and the tabloids in the UK are fucked. Up.). It is seen to concern itself more with sales than facts. And this is true, I don't think they care about this reputation because it doesn't hurt their bottom line any. Many journalists there don't care too much about facts either, but many =/= all. Remember each journalist is an individual. If their personal approach to a story can be marketed to the target demographic via the headlines, head office isn't going to care too much what's in it. They just want to make sure they can't get sued (and may have one or two political bug bears. But for the most part they leave you and your subject matter alone. I'm sure the Daily Mail is no different.)

So, should the DM be considered a reliable source IRL? There is no good answer to this because imo it is a shitty question. I don't believe any news outlet should be completely disregarded or completely taken as gospel. The best we can do is evaluate each article on its own merits. People who accept everything from a particular outlet as true are as bad as those who dismiss everything from a particular outlet as false.

However what I can say (mild academic background) is that news articles should never be used as definitive sources. They are a starting point that can provoke more specialised law reform, academic research, etc, or back up the occurrence of individual incidents. Journalists cast a broad net, not a specialised one, and the nature of the beast is that they are always going to provide anecdotal evidence or simply summarise others' research.

Is it an acceptable source to use on Kiwifarms? Depends on the context. Here I would say it adds some flavour to the other, far more academic sources cited. In my book it is acceptable because it is far from the only one. If it was the only source cited then I'd be like hey now hold up. But it's not.

Then again I also haven't slept in nearly 20 hours so take all this as you will.

Edit: welp, everyone else looks like they want to move on but I spent forever writing this so fuck y'all lol I'm posting it.

Edit: okay Daddy. I quiet now.

Beautiful.

 

[prettybad]

Multiplicity and Me introduces her DID-believer therapist's new YouTube channel--Dr Mike Lloyd for the CTAD Clinic.

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With all the insanity in the community lately (pun not intended, but I'll take it) it looks like someone is bringing in the big guns to prove this interpretation of DID is real. I don't know if Jess herself asked her therapist to make the channel or if he decided it was a good time to jump in. I assume it was probably his idea, I don't think therapists tend to do what their clients tell them to do with their spare time.

My predictions: this will either provide a stabilising element for the community to rally around ("Look, here is a professional!") or, if Dr Lloyd doesn't filter his comments as painstakingly as his client base, a place for sceptical commenters to ask questions and/or express scepticism that won't be deleted, which will detract from this stabilising potential.

They'll love and worship him, because he's a quack. Shocking, I know. Here's what he's spouting:

• He calls people with Dissociative Identity Disorder "not ill" and lists the top five things about having DID, including "talents and skills" you gain from alters, which definitely happens and the movie Split was a documentary.
• He says DID is great for getting out of difficulties.
• He says the worst part is loss of time. Not, you know, having your life and identity destroyed by trauma or anything silly like that.
• He says you have a team for support with DID, which is "incredible", because you have people to help you make decisions.

...and more fun stuff, which I will leave you to discover on your own, because I want to punch him in the face just a little bit and I don't want to be MOTI. TLDW: he has a huge hard on for DID and DID patients. Likely a cashcow for him or just sensationalism at play.

Spoiler: video

The dream would be for Dr Todd Grande to respond to this guy's videos but I don't think Todd is the kind of guy to start an industry slap fight on youtube.

Todd Grande is absolutely the kind of guy to call bullshit in the profession out and has done so multiple times, but he's intelligent and subtle, so any criticism he makes will fly right over this guy's head.

 

[Enoby Way]

They'll love and worship him, because he's a quack. Shocking, I know. Here's what he's spouting:

• He calls people with Dissociative Identity Disorder "not ill" and lists the top five things about having DID, including "talents and skills" you gain from alters,
  
  
  Spoiler

  which definitely happens and the movie Split was a documentary.
• He says DID is great for getting out of difficulties.
• He says the worst part is loss of time. Not, you know, having your life and identity destroyed by trauma or anything silly like that.
• He says you have a team for support with DID, which is "incredible", because you have people to help you make decisions.

...and more fun stuff, which I will leave you to discover on your own, because I want to punch him in the face just a little bit and I don't want to be MOTI. TLDW: he has a huge hard on for DID and DID patients. Likely a cashcow for him or just sensationalism at play.

Goddamnit this is worse than I expected. Alarm bells ringing all over the place. Let me join you in being MOTI, those top hats look comfy.

I really really hope that he started off as a genuine believer. The more I see of the people documented on Kiwi Farms, the more I can't believe there aren't people knowingly preying on vulnerable people by specialising in certain fields. But I hate to assume this by default.

But from the kind of stuff he is saying, according to you (can't watch the video rn), sounds like this man is off the freaking planet and doing an incredible amount of harm regardless of his original intentions.

This is a trauma-based disorder that can be cured within 3 years for most people, and he wants his patients to wallow in it instead? Thoroughly compartmentalising their lives instead of having one whole life? This is so fucked up.

I no longer believe Jess has DID but I still really like her as she seems like a really lovely person. It is kind of heartbreaking and horrifying to see how she got brainwashed into believing she had DID that didnt need to be integrated and see who did it.

I just feel so sorry for her and I wish there was a way to talk to her and get her out of this situation but the chances are nill that she would listen, she's too invested.

I need to move on, I am really upset by this. Its like seeing an abuser act like there is nothing wrong with their actions. Or like meeting the person behind a cult leader and realising the cult leader was being exploited too all along. Same diff.

Also your inner spoiler commenting about Split isn't showing. I fixed it in my quoting of you. Just format it like a regular spoiler.

It is so odd that this myth of people with DID being super talented because all their alters are good at something different, is one opposed by Jess and most of the DID community as being a harmful stereotype, but is promoted by her therapist.

Todd Grande is absolutely the kind of guy to call bullshit in the profession out and has done so multiple times, but he's intelligent and subtle, so any criticism he makes will fly right over this guy's head.

Welp, the more you know. I've only been watching him for a few months and haven't seen any examples of this yet, good to know. I have absolutely come to appreciate his brand of subtlety though.

 

[comrade666]

They'll love and worship him, because he's a quack. Shocking, I know. Here's what he's spouting:

• He calls people with Dissociative Identity Disorder "not ill" and lists the top five things about having DID, including "talents and skills" you gain from alters, which definitely happens and the movie Split was a documentary.
• He says DID is great for getting out of difficulties.
• He says the worst part is loss of time. Not, you know, having your life and identity destroyed by trauma or anything silly like that.
• He says you have a team for support with DID, which is "incredible", because you have people to help you make decisions.

...and more fun stuff, which I will leave you to discover on your own, because I want to punch him in the face just a little bit and I don't want to be MOTI. TLDW: he has a huge hard on for DID and DID patients. Likely a cashcow for him or just sensationalism at play.

Spoiler: video

Todd Grande is absolutely the kind of guy to call bullshit in the profession out and has done so multiple times, but he's intelligent and subtle, so any criticism he makes will fly right over this guy's head.

It can be an identity in of itself...

So, anyone can go to this guy and tell him they identify as a DID patient and that's just fine? Who knew DID was the third gender. I can't sit through this video, he's got me MOTI already. If this is the quality of the interviewees Jess is wheeling out, I'm disappointed. She better deliver and introduce us to her good friend Remy or this series is a bust.

 

[Enoby Way]

If this is the quality of the interviewees Jess is wheeling out, I'm disappointed. She better deliver and introduce us to her good friend Remy or this series is a bust.

This is his own channel, she just linked to it and endorsed it. Afaik she's not interviewing anyone.

Edit: Well stripe me pink, paint me purple, and colour me mistaken. What is a therapist doing letting himself be interviewed by a client.

 

[comrade666]

This is his own channel, she just linked to it and endorsed it. Afaik she's not interviewing anyone.

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In other news, Wyn has posted a statement regarding Lito. How convenient that he integrated - but of course, he would have taken the message to heart. Everyone wins - except Lito who is literally fucking dead. Sleep tight.

 

[Pickless Ugly Friend]

In other news, Wyn has posted a statement regarding Lito. How convenient that he integrated - but of course, he would have taken the message to heart. Everyone wins - except Lito who is literally fucking dead. Sleep tight.

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to be fair, he was dead 3 months ago - when the first round of issues came about with darker skinned alters within systems. ES took care of that issue super quick, I’m sure thinking that would relieve Lito, and wyn herself of being seen as racial antagonistic. However there was the tricky line of how does wyn maintain that she infact has DID and that her previous storylines are true if she isn’t willing to be vocal in support of others who also have darker skinned alters? if she speaks up she reopens the door to the truth, and if she doesn’t speak than all the young did seekers would see through the cracks in the story.

 

[Shaka Brah]

to be fair, he was dead 3 months ago - when the first round of issues came about with darker skinned alters within systems. ES took care of that issue super quick, I’m sure thinking that would relieve Lito, and wyn herself of being seen as racial antagonistic. However there was the tricky line of how does wyn maintain that she infact has DID and that her previous storylines are true if she isn’t willing to be vocal in support of others who also have darker skinned alters? if she speaks up she reopens the door to the truth, and if she doesn’t speak than all the young did seekers would see through the cracks in the story.

It's a house of cards destined to fall down. Still, couldn't she resist saying "separate but equal" about a black personality?

 

[Adala]

• He calls people with Dissociative Identity Disorder "not ill" and lists the top five things about having DID, including "talents and skills" you gain from alters, which definitely happens and the movie Split was a documentary.
• He says DID is great for getting out of difficulties.
• He says the worst part is loss of time. Not, you know, having your life and identity destroyed by trauma or anything silly like that.
• He says you have a team for support with DID, which is "incredible", because you have people to help you make decisions.

Yes. It was absolute BS and childish from a doctor.
Dr. Grande...it always makes me wonder what kind of doctor has time to make videos about psychoanalysis of movie characters and serial killers more than twice a week?

 

[comrade666]

Dr. Grande...it always makes me wonder what kind of doctor has time to make videos about psychoanalysis of movie characters and serial killers more than twice a week?

One with high functioning yet extreme autism.

ETA - Reading Mercedes statement feels like a fever dream. It essentially boils down to;
I spent thirty three years thinking I was Latina but apparently I'm just a very white Spaniard ... ¡Arriba, arriba! ¡Ándale, ándale!

No, no. She didn't attempt murder - she merely planned murder... in detail... after sitting with her own resentment for years. And... she was only stopped because one of her friends... one of the many friends she told about her homicidal ideation... called the police and she was kicked out before she could attempt. And... she doesn't know if she would have actually gone through with it... but maybe not? But, no, actually, she didn't attempt murder, she never even got the opportunity to attempt. Get your facts right.

That she can even pretend this was a fleeting thought when she spent thirty minutes talking about how she relates to tranny school shooters having grown up with similar anger, and how she developed and shared her plan to kill with multiple friends until one finally called the cops... is astounding. How this bitch is allowed around her children with a history like that when she admits to 'lashing out' at her autist kid when her 'littles' front is beyond me.

 

[Enoby Way]

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Dr. Grande...it always makes me wonder what kind of doctor has time to make videos about psychoanalysis of movie characters and serial killers more than twice a week?

Here's his LinkedIn. He teaches. https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddgrande

Clearly he likes teaching enough that he wants to do it on youtube too. I wish he'd do more educational videos again, his murder case videos don't interest me.