Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Helghandidnothingwrong]

Oh right, I forgot to mention that the Pokémon TCG recently got a new set back in March called Temporal Forces. The Secret Illustration Rare Raging Bolt ex they're giving away for free right now is from this set.

Eh. I graduated to Slivers in MTG a long time ago and don't regret not looking back. The artwork on most of these newer Pokemon TCG sets has been trash for a long time now. Along with the selection of just plain ugly pokemon taking up the majority of each set and just like the video games, peaked again at sun/moon for me and had taken a nosedive ever since. The Pokemon company just hasn't tried to make anything as uniform and appealing to look at as the original sets and the damage Gen V has done to this series is still being felt to this day.

 

[Coelacanth]

Pokémon recently posted a “guide” on how to Shiny hunt in SV, as expected it just points out the obvious (get the Shiny Charm, take advantage of Mass Outbreaks, use Sparkling Power with Herba Mystica-infused sandwiches or the Academy Special, etc.).

This right here is why I stopped shiny hunting in anything beyond Gen 5. I hate how easy it is to get shinies now - isn't the point of them meant to be that they're rare and finding one is supposed to be an extremely special event you should cherish when you find one?

On a happier note I have been playing Pokemon Clover and I'm having a blast! While I'm not happy with the halved shiny odds I don't think I've ever had so much fun losing battles in a game.

Spoiler: Team So Far...

 

[6MillionCoofs]

This right here is why I stopped shiny hunting in anything beyond Gen 5. I hate how easy it is to get shinies now - isn't the point of them meant to be that they're rare and finding one is supposed to be an extremely special event you should cherish when you find one?

Sure but when you know people now dig into the numbers and go through the effort so it is no longer random or as much random is removed as posdible you might as well just make it easier. People want the cool different colours and are going to hunt for hours to get them might as well make it easier for them.

Shiny Hunting reactions are a big thing after all.

Since Gen 8 GF have usually added in somethong extra to the shine, be it differemt sparkles, sizes or titles. So now people can get the different colours if they want without wasting their life and the hardcore people go for the extra stuff. Everyone wins.

Long gone are the days of old when literally no one knew why or how they worked.

 

[Squawking Macaw]

Sure but when you know people now dig into the numbers and go through the effort so it is no longer random or as much random is removed as posdible you might as well just make it easier. People want the cool different colours and are going to hunt for hours to get them might as well make it easier for them.

This kind of thinking is the reason why the competitive community is so loud and obnoxious nowadays. Should've never made things easier for the spergs.

 

[Archeops]

My Bank is starting to get connection errors way too often for comfort, so I decided to take out all my Pokemon now before it stops letting me connect at all.

It's probably has something to do with people accessing Bank en masse (to lifeboat any important Pokémon to HOME), it's similar to how Bank and HOME had connection issues when they first dropped and how the latter throttles connections whenever a new main line game is released.

Eh. I graduated to Slivers in MTG a long time ago and don't regret not looking back. The artwork on most of these newer Pokemon TCG sets has been trash for a long time now. Along with the selection of just plain ugly pokemon taking up the majority of each set and just like the video games, peaked again at sun/moon for me and had taken a nosedive ever since. The Pokemon company just hasn't tried to make anything as uniform and appealing to look at as the original sets and the damage Gen V has done to this series is still being felt to this day.

I’m honestly fine with how they’re doing the TCG right now but I’m more of a player than a collector, I still remember when certain cards reached the high double-digits due to playability (or even the triple-digits, that Shiny SR Rayquaza from Dragons Exalted still haunts me as a former Ray-Eels player).

With the way it is right now, the deck that won this year’s EUIC in the Masters TCG division is only $80-$100 USD with other decks running around that same price or less.

This right here is why I stopped shiny hunting in anything beyond Gen 5. I hate how easy it is to get shinies now - isn't the point of them meant to be that they're rare and finding one is supposed to be an extremely special event you should cherish when you find one?

As @6MillionCoofs said this was partially done due to people learning how to RNG manipulate (which is still done AFAIK, I know there are ways to muck about with PLA’s RNG to get the right spawns from a Mass Outbreak). Other reasons include Shiny Pokémon having more of a presence as far as branding’s concerned, people complaining about how hard they are to get despite making them easier to get, and and hacked Pokémon (Shiny or otherwise) being present in sanctioned tournaments. At least there are still other ways to sperg about Pokémon like Marks and size differences.

Oh, and be glad Shiny Pokémon are still a thing in the game since SV removed PokéRus (the only thing rarer than a Shiny Pokémon) completely.

 

[30+GameOvers]

You know, I just remembered that I always wanted to do a Wonder Trade Nuzlocke. The rules are similar, but anytime I would capture a route Pokemon I would immediately Wonder Trade it for a truly randomized playthru(species clause would let me capture another Pokemon if I get a duplicate so that my entire team isn't composed of Pikipeks or Yoongus).
The games are far too long to properly do in one and a half days, especially Gen 7 which is infamous for it's long cutscenes.
Oh well, nothing you can do now. I hope that if the fans get the servers up and running there is at least a bot that generates random Pokemon so that I can somewhat replicate the organic experience someday.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

This kind of thinking is the reason why the competitive community is so loud and obnoxious nowadays. Should've never made things easier for the spergs.

While that’s true, competative people were always loud and obnoxious. At least now it’s because they are bitching that they can be mopped by casuals who can now spend 5 mins doing what took them days previously (oh who am I kidfing, they cheated and pretended they didn’t).

 

[Archeops]

While that’s true, competative people were always loud and obnoxious. At least now it’s because they are bitching that they can be mopped by casuals who can now spend 5 mins doing what took them days previously (oh who am I kidding, they cheated and pretended they didn’t).

Whenever I try to make Pokémon for an International Challenge (the last one I competed in being one from early SV) I usually go as legit as possible and use Bottle Caps, Mints, EXP Candies, and Vitamins (and now Tera Shards to get an optimal Tera Type) to make said Pokémon competition-viable.

But only do this for regular Pokémon for the most part, Legendaries are a pain in the ass to do.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

The games are far too long to properly do in one and a half days, especially Gen 7 which is infamous for it's long cutscenes.

Yeah. Running it takes you 6-10 hours and that’s if you know what you are doing. A WT on top of that…no way. Might be doable. Bit you’d really miss out onthe fun of just a leisurely playthrough. Which is the point of S/M. The games are made worse by rushing them.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Oh, and be glad Shiny Pokémon are still a thing in the game since SV removed PokéRus (the only thing rarer than a Shiny Pokémon) completely.

lol, I haven't seen anyone even mention this
GF can suck a dick, I am not giving them a single cent. Shame, as I was looking at my collection in S/M(11 full boxes of Wonder Trading alone just from Christmas + now, and that's with unviable or useless Pokemon traded back until I got something better), I was tempted to get Home/Switch games just to give these Pokemon some use when the servers shut down. Not a chance, if I will do that I will simply emulate and transfer(or gen if that's not an option) my existing Pokemon and that will be that. I've gone cold turkey on supporting COD, Pokemon and other franchises around the same time, I have no regrets regarding ending my consooming.
It is bullshit that they just stopped transferring all Pokemon every Gen. I got so many Pikipeks/Toucannons, and despite only coming out a generation earlier they were unobtainable in Gen 8 at all until one the latest S/V updates all the way in Gen 9. Even then, with the dexcut any bred moves on it don't matter and neither the natures for that matter since you got mints now. There is zero incentive to take my hard earned Gen 7 Pokemon to move them over anymore.
On the other hand, it's quite opposite with Gen 6 to 7 Pokemon transfer via Bank since Gen 6 has a load of HA Pokemon that are simply not available in Gen 7, so if one has both games they can easily add a whole load of rare and powerful Pokemon to their S/M titles. Nothing like this exists anymore, you just wait for the DLC now to "enable" you to catch some older Pokemon out of pity. This is why I have no problem with cheaters despite being a purist myself, Gamefreak practically invites them these days since there is no incentive to do things "the right way".

 

[6MillionCoofs]

lol, I haven't seen anyone even mention this

Honestly think it’s because next to no one cares.

Now that exp candies are a thing and stat boosters can be freely bought are a thing making leveling trivial what is even the point of having higher than full odds shiny luck to get something to speed up leveling and evs?

Gamefreak practically invites them these days since there is no incentive to do things "the right way".

I’d argue a part of all this is GF going ‘we gave all the incentives, they still cheated. F it. Remove everything and make it beyond easy so the cheating they do no longer matters’

Problem is that hits all the purists and the people that did not really care but might have had the one special Pokemon they liked.

Which honestly would have been fine if trading to newer Gens wasn’t always one way. But no, you can’t get your mons back.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Which honestly would have been fine if trading to newer Gens wasn’t always one way. But no, you can’t get your mons back.

Funny thing, the homebrew version of Pokemon Bank DOES let you trade back Pokemon, even ones that weren't in those games, and the results are interesting. If the Pokemon doesn't have any moves or abilities it wouldn't normally have, bringing it back to a former generation usually isn't an issue, hell even something like a Alolan Golem just turns into a weird normal Golem in Gen 6 for example.
I know why they don't let you do this with Bank/Home but I think this is still bullshit, you should at least be able to trade back Pokemon that were in those previous gens, and place the same checker as they did back in Gen 2 with the Time Capsule so that you wouldn't accidentally bring over Gen 2 moves or Pokemon to RBY.
Guys, we solved this problem in 1999. What's going on?
Edit: Here is some good videos on this

I think you're underestimating how bad the borderline stealth removal of Pokerus is. Sure, even if it's trivial to EV train your Pokemon(as it was in Gen 6 for example, and yet they still kept it), that means they're willing to remove not just moves and Pokemon but various mechanics as well. Everything is on the table now, and I don't like it.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Everything is on the table now, and I don't like it.

Everything was always on the table. GF has always binned stuff when they think of something better, regardless if whether it is or not.

@Helghandidnothingwrong
Why would they give you doible the stuff for a game that is going for the standard price nowadays in most places.

If the current gen games were released back in the 90s they’d be 30-40 if Gen 1 was released today. It would be 70 it seems.

Which surprises me. Because where I am the prices have not changed for Pokemon games since the 90s. Everything goes for 40 and under.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Everything was always on the table. GF has always binned stuff when they think of something better, regardless if whether it is or not.

Thing is that PKRUS is something that has been around since Gen 2. By now it's a staple, that's like GF removing shinies, genders(for Pokemon, they already did this for players) or natures. It's a scary precedent, they almost did this with Ribbons in Gen 5 but they walked it back for Gens 6 onwards.
Speaking of which, Bulbapedia says that even tho it doesn't appear in S/V or has any noticable effects, the game still tracks PKRUS. That means that if your Pokemon still has it from previous gens and it is transferred over to Gen 9, and then to a future game that brings it back, you will still have PKRUS on your Pokemon. They didn't actually "remove it" per say as much as hidden it.
Still, very strange. It would take less effort to just ignore it and not do anything with it than do all this, it means they intentionally wanted to remove it but kept it around within the code just in case they changed their minds. Remember, old Pokemon are just straight up gone, not in the code anymore, and neither are the moves, but PKRUS is still technically in the game, just hidden and useless(kinda like when you get Coronavirus and you barely know it's there unless you are informed of it or you die from an unrelated death and the medics put COVID-19 as a cause of death).

 

[6MillionCoofs]

They didn't actually "remove it" per say as much as hidden it.

Oh yeah. That’s the real strange things about all the ‘removed’ stuff. It’s never actually gone. It’s all there in the code, it’s just blocked.

Which makes it feel like it’s often, we don’t want to use this feature going foward but people would find it strange if it worked with all the older stuff so block it.

But it always comes across as confusing as you note.

(kinda like when you get Coronavirus and you barely know it's there unless you are informed of it or you die from an unrelated death and the medics put COVID-19 as a cause of death).

Inb4 it was removed due to coof lol.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Oh yeah. That’s the real strange things about all the ‘removed’ stuff. It’s never actually gone. It’s all there in the code, it’s just blocked.

Oh no, the old moves and Pokemon are just straight up gone in Gen 8 and 9. That's the problem, if they kept everything unchanged but let you transfer Pokemon not found in the game or with moves not found in the game, nobody would have a problem with smaller Pokedex or maybe even the DLCs.

Inb4 it was removed due to coof lol.

It probably was, but the fact they didn't remove the code outright means they either don't know how(which would not surprised me with these hacks) or are having second thoughts and want to potentially include it in a future game, just like they thought about removing Ribbons and not giving you any new ones in Gen 5 but they still kept the code and ended up walking the whole thing back by Gen 6.

 

[Archeops]

Thing is that PKRUS is something that has been around since Gen 2. By now it's a staple, that's like GF removing shinies, genders(for Pokemon, they already did this for players) or natures. It's a scary precedent, they almost did this with Ribbons in Gen 5 but they walked it back for Gens 6 onwards.
Speaking of which, Bulbapedia says that even tho it doesn't appear in S/V or has any noticable effects, the game still tracks PKRUS. That means that if your Pokemon still has it from previous gens and it is transferred over to Gen 9, and then to a future game that brings it back, you will still have them. They didn't actually "remove it" per say as much as hidden it.
Still, very strange. It would take less effort to just ignore it and not do anything with it than do all this, it means they intentionally wanted to remove it but kept it around within the code just in case they changed their minds. Remember, old Pokemon are just straight up gone, not in the code anymore, and neither are the moves, but PKRUS is still technically in the game, just hidden and useless(kinda like when you get Coronavirus and you barely know it's there unless you are informed of it or you die from an unrelated death and the medics put COVID-19 as a cause of death).

SV probably tracks Pokérus internally (despite it not generating naturally in-game) to prevent any sort of funkiness with SWSH, it's worth remembering that SWSH-SV transfers goes both ways. I guess we'll have to wait for a main line Gen 10 game to see if that data remains.

I could see it getting removed in the future though, you have 4 strains of Pokérus (which are broken up by 16 different X values with two being inaccessible due to RNG shenanigans, one of those inaccessible X values is also bugged) with the only difference is how long each strain lasts.

Inb4 it was removed due to coof lol.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was, SV was in development when the lockdowns and WFH orders came into place. And I strongly suspect that the working conditions brought on by them led to SV being the unoptimized jank it is today.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

(which would not surprised me with these hacks)

Well when you consider the people who wrote the code likely got promoted out of writing code would not surprise me if there’s lots of stuff just kept there because removing it could end up breaking something because for some reason something else more important looks at it for some reason.

 

[30+GameOvers]

which are broken up by 16 different X values with two being inaccessible due to RNG shenanigans, one of those inaccessible X values is also bugged

why am I not surprised that something about a Pokemon game is broken?
is there a good article on video on this, I am curious now

 

[6MillionCoofs]

@Archeops
Indeed. It’s why I’m interested to see how PLZA goes and Gen X because it’s clear there was dev issues with SV and considering the conditions it was made under…I’m not surprised.

Covid was hell for Game Dev.

why am I not surprised that something about a Pokemon game is broken?

Cause it’s Pokemon. Heck G/S are known because Iwata was somehow able to work magic to get Kanto in and not have the game fall over.

Pokemon is known for somehow working inspite of everything.