Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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burmy is my favorite pokemon.
 
Is it an unpopular opinion to prefer more fantasy designs in Pokemon and humans than the “grounded realism” old school fans sperg about? The older designs for humans and Pokemon are boring as hell. When I got older I started losing interest in grounded shit and started craving more interesting and weird designs now that graphical limitations aren’t as much of a thing anymore. Even though I’m an older fan who was here from the very beginning I lack the nostalgia and attachment towards old school things.

Also to me Pokemon should be monsters instead of just animals. And monsters that aren’t just creatures with claws and fangs but a whole diverse array of cute, fierce, ugly, simple, complex, etc. Even furbait Pokemon are still considered monsters to me. I know about the origins and the lore book of gen 1 but it just seems too bland for my tastes.

Sorry for sounding autistic it’s too early in the morning and I am super sleep deprived.
 
Is it an unpopular opinion to prefer more fantasy designs in Pokemon and humans than the “grounded realism” old school fans sperg about?
I don't think it's an unpopular opinion, but I do think it's the less vocal opinion. The squeaky wheel gets the oil, or in this case, the attention online. People complain about recent Pokemon designs online, but Pokemon's still just as popular of a game, so obviously people still enjoy the recent designs.

Personally I never thought Pokemon were grounded in reality, despite whatever the original intention was, and that's caused a few autistic tangents from me. They're larger than most animals (One of the smallest Pokemon, Joltik, a literal tick, is the size of a tarantula), but lighter as well (Groudon, one of the heaviest Pokemon, weighs less than an elephant). They're pocket monsters, fine, but they're hardly monsters at all, they were all designed to be giant stuffed animals that you could fit in your pocket.

As time's gone on, I've still played the Pokemon games, but I've enjoyed the concept less and less, and cared less and less about the new Pokemon, or even the old designs. I haven't played any monster tamer games that compare, other than Digimon Cyber Sleuth, and that's a pretty good game. Yokai Watch seems neat, but way too chibi-fied. I'm looking forward to Legends, but I wouldn't say I'm excited for it, despite Sinnoh being my favorite region.

Got off track there, you're not alone in enjoying the more outlandish Pokemon designs in any case. I'm not that interested in them, but again, if I wanted more grounded/realistic Pokemon designs, I'd look for another game with a more realistic baseline, because Pokemon was never made for that.
 
Is it an unpopular opinion to prefer more fantasy designs in Pokemon and humans than the “grounded realism” old school fans sperg about? The older designs for humans and Pokemon are boring as hell. When I got older I started losing interest in grounded shit and started craving more interesting and weird designs now that graphical limitations aren’t as much of a thing anymore. Even though I’m an older fan who was here from the very beginning I lack the nostalgia and attachment towards old school things.

Also to me Pokemon should be monsters instead of just animals. And monsters that aren’t just creatures with claws and fangs but a whole diverse array of cute, fierce, ugly, simple, complex, etc. Even furbait Pokemon are still considered monsters to me. I know about the origins and the lore book of gen 1 but it just seems too bland for my tastes.

Sorry for sounding autistic it’s too early in the morning and I am super sleep deprived.
I'll give the response you're looking for and say I feel the same way.

Like I said earlier in this thread, there isn't a single pokemon designs I seriously disliked (the only one to come close was Incineroar and even then I find his child-friendly wrestler aesthetic to be oddly cute). I can see the appeal in all of them, even the less popular ones.
 
Two new trailers, one for for Arceus and one for BDSP:
Kind of a nitpick here, but calling Hisuian!Zorua and Zoroak the "spiteful fox" and "baneful fox" bothers me because those titles feel much more in-line with Ninetales, or a Ninetales variant.
 
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Kind of a nitpick here, but calling Hisuian!Zorua and Zoroak the "spiteful fox" and "baneful fox" bothers me because those titles feel much more in-line with Ninetales, or a Ninetales variant.
Well that's because nineties are gay.
 
Personally I never thought Pokemon were grounded in reality, despite whatever the original intention was, and that's caused a few autistic tangents from me. They're larger than most animals (One of the smallest Pokemon, Joltik, a literal tick, is the size of a tarantula), but lighter as well (Groudon, one of the heaviest Pokemon, weighs less than an elephant). They're pocket monsters, fine, but they're hardly monsters at all, they were all designed to be giant stuffed animals that you could fit in your pocket.
I think what most people mean by "grounded in reality" they mean the anatomy or artstyle, not the designs. Of course Pokémon always had a fantastical element to them, that's the whole point, but the difference was all in artstyle. It's more cartoony now, meaning less rough details and more simplistic features.
Here's a comparison between Pidgey and Rookidee.
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Having said that, Rookidee's eyes always bothered me. What the fuck is going on with its eyes? At first I thought it had that Badtz-Maru look going on.
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But it turns out the white of the eye isn't even it's actual eyes? And the red part is?
 
I think what most people mean by "grounded in reality" they mean the anatomy or artstyle, not the designs. Of course Pokémon always had a fantastical element to them, that's the whole point, but the difference was all in artstyle. It's more cartoony now, meaning less rough details and more simplistic features.
Here's a comparison between Pidgey and Rookidee.
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Having said that, Rookidee's eyes always bothered me. What the fuck is going on with its eyes? At first I thought it had that Badtz-Maru look going on.
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But it turns out the white of the eye isn't even it's actual eyes? And the red part is?
Eh. Styles change over time and I've never had a problem with it's more cartoony take on things. The games are primarily marketed towards kids and if they want a more "rough" artstyled game there are other alternatives out there.
 
I think cartoony can be great, there are some great ones, but the problem is overly designed cartoony. They're just throwing too much into them, simple isn't always better but considering how much people love Wooloo they could stand to tone some things down.

I also desperately want those stupid ugly fossil pokemon to be put out of their misery and get that cute little electric velociraptor zolt in one piece. I will never forgive gamefreak for what they did to him and I have half a mind to start a petition (that they will ignore) over this injustice.
 
I think cartoony can be great, there are some great ones, but the problem is overly designed cartoony. They're just throwing too much into them, simple isn't always better but considering how much people love Wooloo they could stand to tone some things down.

I also desperately want those stupid ugly fossil pokemon to be put out of their misery and get that cute little electric velociraptor zolt in one piece. I will never forgive gamefreak for what they did to him and I have half a mind to start a petition (that they will ignore) over this injustice.
Could be that they’ll show up in Arceus. It is the past, after all.
 
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Kind of a nitpick here, but calling Hisuian!Zorua and Zoroak the "spiteful fox" and "baneful fox" bothers me because those titles feel much more in-line with Ninetales, or a Ninetales variant.
About that, this is why it's considered the "Spiteful fox" pokemon:

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Yeah, looks like Basculegion has some competition in the "dark, yet sad" backstory department.
 
I think what most people mean by "grounded in reality" they mean the anatomy or artstyle, not the designs. Of course Pokémon always had a fantastical element to them, that's the whole point, but the difference was all in artstyle. It's more cartoony now, meaning less rough details and more simplistic features.
Here's a comparison between Pidgey and Rookidee.
View attachment 2661061View attachment 2661062
Having said that, Rookidee's eyes always bothered me. What the fuck is going on with its eyes? At first I thought it had that Badtz-Maru look going on.
View attachment 2661082
But it turns out the white of the eye isn't even it's actual eyes? And the red part is?
For a long time people complained the newer Pokemon were too complex and looked like Digimon, and now they say newer ones are too simple. Older gen fans can’t make up their minds.

Also I don’t mind lower level unevolved Pokemon looking cartoony since most of the time they evolve into more detailed creatures.

There are a lot of complaints about human character designs not being grounded anymore but to me I enjoy those fantasy designs, Back in older gens there were a lot of technical restrictions meaning more simple designs but now I just want human characters that stick out and look interesting, There’s a pic that goes around vp all the time cherry picking specific characters while ignoring that some of them are like that for specific reasons, Elesa is a fashion model and Valerie is a fashion designer of course they will look over the top.
 
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