Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Nauseated Courgi]

You've been smoking too much weed, man.

I'm only looking out for my dealer favorite starter.

 

[Kuchipatchi]

I hope this game gets the BDSP treatment and gets leaked early. I'd definitely have my free trial.

I say this in the nicest way possible - the Pokémon community, despite the series being made for and aimed at literal children, is quite possibly the single most autistic group I’ve ever seen. Yes, I include most of us in there as well.

Yeah, I know what you mean. When the game is all about collecting, sorting and maintaining flashy monsters, it's bound to draw in weird people.

Though to balance it out, it seems that the adults into Pokémon have grew up with it.
I've spoke to adults my age who have some degree of autism, if they haven't played Pokémon as a kid, they don't want to give it a go now.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

A good thing about the new games being "open world" is that one may no longer deal with NPCs derping around blocking the way.

[try to go somewhere]

"!"

"Sorry you can't keep going because BS."

(X and Y may do that the most.)

 

[Crustyguy]

Prediction: Quaxly's final evolution will be called "Quaxote".

 

[WASR96]

I say this in the nicest way possible - the Pokémon community, despite the series being made for and aimed at literal children, is quite possibly the single most autistic group I’ve ever seen. Yes, I include most of us in there as well.

While I personally didn’t have a problem with the Pokémon Culling - theres like, 900 of the fuckers, it had to happen eventually - some people have been trading and transferring Pokémon game to game since the OG Red and Blue. I can somewhat understand them being pissed that they can’t bring their favourite Pokémon that they’ve had for 20 years into the newest game because GF didn’t include it, but again, it had to happen sooner or later. Add in the line about “high quality models and animations”, only for most if not all of the models that weren’t new Pokémon looking like they were ripped from the 3DS games, and the same low effort animations in Sword and Shield, yeah the Pokémon Community was a decent dumpster fire when Gen 8 cane out.

I’ve said it before, though maybe not ITT - Pokémon is, at this point, Baby’s First RPG. It’s easy enough that even Twitch Chat is able to shitpost their way through one of these games, and that’s probably by design.

Legends, I feel like was them throwing a bone to the older fans who’ve been bitching that this series needed some long overdue changes, and to playtest them for Gen 9 after seeing that reveal. It being well received might mean that, for fucking once, this series might change something worth a damn, and actually keep the change going forward.

BotW is admittedly a nice template to base a game off of, but you’re not wrong about Legends being fairly empty. I don’t overly mind - sure, exploring you can find most everything pretty easily, but there’s something about the gameplay loop that’s managed to reel me in. Wish there was more to do besides catching Pokémon - we’ll see what the DLC’s add - but if I want to play a Pokémon game it scratches that itch.

I also figured it had to be done at some point, and I wasn't as furious as most people were. Like I tried to highlight, my issue is I assumed it would finally be time for some quality control, cut the shit mons that nobody ever uses in favor of new ones and fan favorites. Instead, what they did was load up gen 8 with 80% of the useless shit nobody uses, a new generation full of uninspired or trash mons nobody will miss besides maybe a handful, and then add a drip feed of a few fan favorite mons through the two DLCs. Nobody is going to miss the likes of the no evolution garbage (klefki, illumise, etc) , the pikachu clones, the route 1 birds, bugs and rats, shit that exists to make the dex bigger. If they would cut that out and keep in the ones that make up peoples teams or fan favorites design wise, I guarantee GF wouldn't have got the backlash they did. It definitely doesn't help that Home is shit and not worth paying for, just trim the fat and people won't be sad about leaving it behind on the 3DS.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

I also figured it had to be done at some point, and I wasn't as furious as most people were. Like I tried to highlight, my issue is I assumed it would finally be time for some quality control, cut the shit mons that nobody ever uses in favor of new ones and fan favorites. Instead, what they did was load up gen 8 with 80% of the useless shit nobody uses, a new generation full of uninspired or trash mons nobody will miss besides maybe a handful, and then add a drip feed of a few fan favorite mons through the two DLCs. Nobody is going to miss the likes of the no evolution garbage (klefki, illumise, etc) , the pikachu clones, the route 1 birds, bugs and rats, shit that exists to make the dex bigger. If they would cut that out and keep in the ones that make up peoples teams or fan favorites design wise, I guarantee GF wouldn't have got the backlash they did.

You say that but the problem is that every pokemon in the game has its fans, especially the "no evolution garbage" ones. However small they may be and whatever the reason. They can't just choose to get rid of the least popular ones and not expect some people to be upset about it.

 

[BlazikenLover]

Red and Blue were, on a technical perspective, the shittiest Pokemon game ever made. It was held together with duct tape and glue.
Gameplay-wise, I haven't played any Pokemon game, so IDK, but based on what I've seen X/Y/Omega/Alpha/Sword/Shield are all very shitty in their own ways.

This whole ordeal is so dumb and I don't understand it. It's possibly because I'm not a Pokemon fanboy, but really I just don't get it. Not every demon is featured in Shin Megami Tensei/Persona games, so why does the Pokemons being missing specifically offend people when there are thousands of games where some of the important characters are missing and are basically replaced by other characters? Some of my favourite demons from Shin Megami Tensei 3 are completely cut from Persona 5, but I don't make a fuss about it.

The real issue with Pokemon is that it's boring (Atleast it looks boring), I cannot imagine a kid with ADHD get to the end of the game, let alone reach the elite 4 in any of the games. This is partly why I was interested in Legends of Arceus for a first Pokemon game because it looks more involved than all the other games with slow-ass gameplay and random encounters RPG bullshit since Red and Blue.
But I do have one worry that made me not buy it, it's because it looks too much like Breath of the Wild. Long story short, I didn't like Breath of the Wild, everything felt so bland, barren and empty and you had the occasional enemy to worry about, Legends of Arceus looks equally as bland, barren and empty as Breath of the Wild and I'm afraid it's just going to bore me to sleep.

People taking issue with pokemon being cut has two aspects to it:
The first one is being able to transfer your pokemon from previous games, this feature has been present since 1999 with the release of gold and silver. This did not return for ruby and sapphire due to "tecnical limitations" and fans weren't happy about it. After that, every single mainline game featured a way to bring your old pokemon and you are even able to bring pokemons all the way from the gameboy advance games to the switch games.
The second is all pokemon were present and obtainable or transferable in every previous game. For sw/sh that changed and they kept making up excuses as for why they cut so many pokemon from the game:

-high quality animations/models
A lie, the models for pokemon belonging to gens 6 and under were made all the way back in 2013, those were meant to be future proof and used for most projects from then on. Unsure about the animations but people weren't happy about those

-Data of removed pokemon could still be found within the game files
In fact, modders quickly found out it would be easy to add them back in

I believe the real reasons for the cut were selling them back as DLC and also to better balance the game, I keep hearing from people who play competitive how good all the changes from gen 8 were.


So think about it, 17 years of being able to transfer your pokemon and being able to use them in the new games being suddenly gone, people were bound to chimp out.
As far as I know no SMT games have the ability to transfer demons from a previous game (at most some games had the ability to read save data to carry over some items)

Personally I think transfering was bound to bring issues, even more so when they started using online services, considering you have to account for the data of +900 creatures and the development of mainline games is rushed as fuck.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

But I do have one worry that made me not buy it, it's because it looks too much like Breath of the Wild. Long story short, I didn't like Breath of the Wild, everything felt so bland, barren and empty and you had the occasional enemy to worry about, Legends of Arceus looks equally as bland, barren and empty as Breath of the Wild and I'm afraid it's just going to bore me to sleep.

I've been playing PLA, and this by far is my biggest criticism with it.

The overworld is so boring it actually kind of bothers me. Everyone is praising it for being a truly open-world Pokemon game, but the open world might as not even exist because it's so bland, and lifeless.

Sure, it looks nice, but there's nothing really interesting to find, and I feel like with an open-world to not have that is inexcusable. There's no secrets, or hidden details, or shit like that. It's just nothing, and no, trying to find all the collectables doesn't count. I want things to make the world feel alive, and like there's always something new to discover. I want something interesting that makes it feel like my effort is worth something.

To be fair, I'm only just past the Lilligant fight, but so far, I am not impressed whatsoever with PLA. It just seems so boring. I want more trainer battles. I don't wanna catch the same Pokemon over and over again just so I don't get level capped. I'm tired of trying to explore the world while attacking by 'mons every five steps. The sidequests aren't even fun to me because finding the person to actually activate them is usually a pain in the ass, and the rewards aren't that good, anyway.

I have to ask, does the game get better? I really wanna know because I really wanna like this game, but to me it seems like it's not going to.

 

[Rotollo 2]

The overworld is so boring it actually kind of bothers me. Everyone is praising it for being a truly open-world Pokemon game, but the open world might as not even exist because it's so bland, and lifeless.

Sure, it looks nice, but there's nothing really interesting to find, and I feel like with an open-world to not have that is inexcusable

I could see it being a bigger problem if it really was an "open world' rather than sanctioned off monster hunter zones, but for what they are I think the areas are distinct enough and fit with the "underdeveloped Hokkaido" influence they were going for. and IMO place isn't as full as say botw but again the world is much better at coming to life than any of gf's pervious 3d pokemon games at least imo.
Plus the flow of the ride Pokémon's movement is really nice being able to jump out of windeer into bravery and crawling with sneasler has such a great flow and I'll be sad if gen 9 goes back to the bike or some other system.
also just trying to sneak up and catch mons with items like sticky webbing or smoke bombs gets me feeling very creative about how to approach them, plus catching Pokémon is very hassle free so catching a ton of the same mon isn't as much of a pain in the ass as I thought it would be

I have to ask, does the game get better? I really wanna know because I really wanna like this game, but to me it seems like it's not going to.

I mean the ride pokemon do open up eventually and you get those traversal options, but again games probably not for everyone and I can respect that

 

[Lucille Bluth]

I believe the real reasons for the cut were selling them back as DLC and also to better balance the game, I keep hearing from people who play competitive how good all the changes from gen 8 were.

I was guessing laziness, but given how even internet access is now costs money, I can totally believe that they wanted to put out a DLC. Which I find odd because IIRC, one of the supposed reasons why ORAS never not have a "Battle Frontier DLC" is because they believed the game is released "fully complete" or something along those lines. I guess money talks.

The real issue with Pokemon is that it's boring (Atleast it looks boring), I cannot imagine a kid with ADHD get to the end of the game, let alone reach the elite 4 in any of the games. This is partly why I was interested in Legends of Arceus for a first Pokemon game because it looks more involved than all the other games with slow-ass gameplay and random encounters RPG bullshit since Red and Blue.
But I do have one worry that made me not buy it, it's because it looks too much like Breath of the Wild. Long story short, I didn't like Breath of the Wild, everything felt so bland, barren and empty and you had the occasional enemy to worry about, Legends of Arceus looks equally as bland, barren and empty as Breath of the Wild and I'm afraid it's just going to bore me to sleep.

What I really want is for Pokemon to make their games have a more immersive world. Like, why can't we be Pokemon nurses or teachers or fishermen or an Elite Four member? Why can't we have our characters age, or have jobs beyond training and catching Pokemon? I liked the hotel job in X and Y and the detective agency. But maybe I'm expecting too much from a game marketed towards children that must be rushed out on a yearly basis.

 

[Kuchipatchi]

You say that but the problem is that every pokemon in the game has its fans, especially the "no evolution garbage" ones.

One of my top Pokemon is a non-evolving Pokemon so I'd be pretty sad to see my little Qwilfish be left out..
But yeah, you've said what I was thinking. The only way to mitigate the issue is see which Pokemon has the least amount of fans by conducting a poll or survey.

PS: In the new region, there better be annoying Galarian tourists flooding the big cities or else it's not a true representation of Spain. 0/10 right off the bat.

 

[Wingnut]

You say that but the problem is that every pokemon in the game has its fans, especially the "no evolution garbage" ones. However small they may be and whatever the reason. They can't just choose to get rid of the least popular ones and not expect some people to be upset about it.

You mean like this precious derpfish? How can you not love that stupid face?

 

[Kiwi & Cow]

Since this thread keeps bumping, I had another thing I was thinking about for a long while.

Has it been mentioned on the thread how the Pokemon starters are slowly becoming less and less authentic each generation?
Literally each time a new set of starters is revealed, they look like they were fakemons made for a rom hack or fangame, the worst examples being gen 5 and gen 7, damn they were all fucking ugly. The design for Torracat and the name given to Incineroar quite literally came from deviantart after all. Gen 9 is no different, why are they all looking like they were OCs stolen from deviantart?
Also I think this trend started from as far back as gen 4, but especially now the new starters look even more random as shit. There's no cohesive art direction at Game Freak, it's actually impressive in itself.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

Since this thread keeps bumping, I had another thing I was thinking about for a long while.

Has it been mentioned on the thread how the Pokemon starters are slowly becoming less and less authentic each generation?
Literally each time a new set of starters is revealed, they look like they were fakemons made for a rom hack or fangame, the worst examples being gen 5 and gen 7, damn they were all fucking ugly. The design for Torracat and the name given to Incineroar quite literally came from deviantart after all. Gen 9 is no different, why are they all looking like they were OCs stolen from deviantart?
Also I think this trend started from as far back as gen 4, but especially now the new starters look even more random as shit. There's no cohesive art direction at Game Freak, it's actually impressive in itself.

Eh. We've had this discussion earlier and, long story short, it's a matter of opinion. Styles change throughout the games, especially when Game Freak has different artists work on the mons for each gen, so each gens mons looking different from the others is to be expected. I'd even argue that it's intentional as these are suppose to be different regions (with a few exceptions).

I've found each of the gens starters to be charming, but I understand not everyone feels that way.

As for Incineroar, I'm not buying the "Game Freak took this" theory. I'm chalking that up to pure coincidence until I'm proven otherwise.

 

[Ido]

Loving the memes that are coming out of this

 

[BlazikenLover]

I was guessing laziness, but given how even internet access is now costs money, I can totally believe that they wanted to put out a DLC. Which I find odd because IIRC, one of the supposed reasons why ORAS never not have a "Battle Frontier DLC" is because they believed the game is released "fully complete" or something along those lines. I guess money talks.


What I really want is for Pokemon to make their games have a more immersive world. Like, why can't we be Pokemon nurses or teachers or fishermen or an Elite Four member? Why can't we have our characters age, or have jobs beyond training and catching Pokemon? I liked the hotel job in X and Y and the detective agency. But maybe I'm expecting too much from a game marketed towards children that must be rushed out on a yearly basis.

Keep in mind ORAS was released in 2014, back then nintendo was just considering DLC (mario kart 8 for the Wii U was the first to get DLC and also why people kept spamming "it's ok when nintendo does it", smash followed soon) and gamefreak are slow to adapt, I believe another reason was the 3ds game's code being a monolithic mess making adding more pokemon hard. I recall people hoping they would add the ORAS megas to X/Y and being disappointed.
The ultra games had so little changes they could have been easily dlc, so between buying (and playing through) the same game with minimal changes twice I believe DLC is the least bad option, mind you I am not saying it is ideal. Ideally they should release the games in a finished state and with the full dex and the DLC should have new pokemons, forms or transformations and new areas.
Another reason they are opting for DLC is that way the mythicals/legendaries they plan to distribute later can't get leaked as soon as the demo is out/someone gets an early copy, since those won't even be in the data or at the very least have a placeholder.

My expectations for the series are low, yet legends arceus gave me a bit of hope. I read how it was made by younger staff, and considering how long people have bitched about masuda and ohmori maybe letting the new blood make games isn't so bad.
Even if legends arceus was a fluke and the mainline games continue sucking dick at the very least they are releasing spinoffs again, meaning we might get a decent game once in a while.

 

[Executive Petrel]

The characters look like fortnite skins

 

[Focken Kiwi]

You mean like this precious derpfish? How can you not love that stupid face?
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I don't know. Between it's brown coloration and cry,...

... I can't help but initially think Stunfisk is shit in quite honestly the most literal sense. I don't really think it's a poorly designed Pokemon per se. A Pokemon based on a flounder is interesting on paper. It just doesn't personally bring me any joy to look at.

 

[Disc]

Since this thread keeps bumping, I had another thing I was thinking about for a long while.

Has it been mentioned on the thread how the Pokemon starters are slowly becoming less and less authentic each generation?
Literally each time a new set of starters is revealed, they look like they were fakemons made for a rom hack or fangame, the worst examples being gen 5 and gen 7, damn they were all fucking ugly. The design for Torracat and the name given to Incineroar quite literally came from deviantart after all. Gen 9 is no different, why are they all looking like they were OCs stolen from deviantart?
Also I think this trend started from as far back as gen 4, but especially now the new starters look even more random as shit. There's no cohesive art direction at Game Freak, it's actually impressive in itself.

for the incineroar thing, beyond them being fire/dark cats and having the really obvious traits of that type/species combo, (like being red and black… the two most iconic colours for fire and dark respectively) there’s not really anything tying the deviantart to the actual one. Not to mention that the litten line has a pretty clear inspiration in Tiger Mask, an actual Japanese wrestler who had an anime and a heel version with a black/red motif.

to say nothing of the sheer number of people regularly producing fakemon. It’s less some clear plagiarism thing and more the monkey typewriter thing playing out - as the number of Pokémon and the number of fakemon increase, the occasional match is inevitable from sheer volume.

 

[Wingnut]

I don't know. Between it's brown coloration and cry,...

... I can't help but initially think Stunfisk is shit in quite honestly the most literal sense. I don't really think it's a poorly designed Pokemon per se. A Pokemon based on a flounder is interesting on paper. It just doesn't personally bring me any joy to look at.

What about the Galarian form that attempts to capture stoners by having poorly drawn pot leaves on it?