PipTheAlchemist
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Half of the Pokemon featured on this cover aren't in the actual Gen 9 games, lmao
Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States
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ah yes, this lovely argument again
It's actually one of my favorites to have because both sides have pretty good points, to the point where i've flip-flopped before in a series where I typically have very strong and unshakeable opinions, but I think I'd place myself pretty firmly on the third version side. The THIRD VERSION side, though, not the "whatever the fuck Ultra and 2 were trying to do" side.
Not only does it make for much better replays of specific generations (ie without Platinum, Sinnoh would be irredeemable, but it's now hailed as one of the best)- instead of going "should I replay Sapphire or Ruby", you can just go "oh I'll replay Emerald and get the best experience that way without missing out on too much"- but it's far better for your wallet and video game preservation. With DLC, you're paying twice for the exact same thing with minor differences. With a third version, you're paying once for that exact same thing but you don't even have to have bought the arguably subpar base games to participate. Both practices allow and enable rushing out shitty base games and saving the good stuff for extra versions to profit, absolutely, but with DLC you're essentially getting what could/should be a free update for cash twice over- and now, with SV, for more cash than the base game was worth (if you want DLC for both your versions)- whereas with third versions you can just buy the third one and ignore the other two.
DLC is also reliant on internet. Sure, there are limited releases of the game with both the expansion and the base game, but the vast majority of copies in the wild will be released without the DLC and therefore require internet to download it to your system as opposed to just buying the fucking game and having it forever. It's the same reason i'm viciously against Day 1 patches and patch culture as a whole- release a finished game or don't release it at all, don't launch in a broken state and then "fix it later".
Preservation is also the one point in which Ultra/2 has an advantage over DLC, because at least I'm not going to be spending 30 internet bux for something that'll disappear with the e-shop or my system files. I'm just gonna have Ultra or 2 forever, and I'm gonna be happy.
Also, if you establish a pattern of "2 base games and a third version", I think it's a lot more consumer-friendly than "2 base games and then DLC", because that way parents can simply wait until the best version is out to buy for their kid. That way, not only is the best version of the game rewarded with more sales, but it also saves the parent from the trouble of accidentally buying the wrong version or their kid missing out on the cool stuff this "ultimate version" added.
DLC is also restricted by the fact that it can't change the base game too much at all. If the map design is shit, you can't go back and edit the trainers or the routes because that'd be overwriting the base game. If the Pokémon variety is shit, you can't mess with encounter tables because it'd get in the way of the base game. The DLC areas are added on to remedy this, of course, but what I'm saying is that third versions can improve the base game while also adding onto it, whereas DLC is forever stuck to just piling more stuff on the table in an attempt to fix the broken leg.
I'll admit, DLC does have a lot going for it. It allows you to experience new content with your old save file without requiring a whole 'nother run through of the game that you might've disliked on first playthrough (without the hassle of trading your whole team over and obliterating the difficulty curve), it's far more convenient, it doesn't screw over the poor saps who bought the base game and it's often cheaper than a third version if you just buy the DLC for one game.
Personally, I don't care much about doing things with my first-game team, convenience is the least of my worries, and I appreciate having multiple copies for a game as opposed to being upset that I bought an "inferior version", so these are non-issues for me personally, though they're extremely solid talking points and I can absolutely understand why they'd push someone else to prefer DLC to a third version.
At least, no matter which side you're on, we can all agree that 2 third versions is bullshit and Ultra is one of the scummiest moves Pokémon's pulled yet lol.
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They'll be coming in the DLC, obviously.
PipTheAlchemist
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Players shouldn't have to fucking download DLC to get all the Pokemon in a Pokemon game. Jesus this franchise is a meme, nowadays
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don't worry- with how the pokemon are partitioned out now, you can be sure that no mainline game will ever have the full pokedex in it again, with DLC or without!
editing to avoid a doublepost: I'm trying to watch the video linked above so badly but it's so hard lol. The dude has such a thick accent it's hard to make out words sometimes. Is he still good enough at his job to warrant pushing through and watching anyways?
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You say that as if you would actually attempt to get all 1000+ Pokemon.
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To play devil's advocate you had to trade to get certain pokemon before DLC was a thing (unless you were a loser like me who just bought another console or used Pokemon Stadium 2 to trade).
PipTheAlchemist
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At least the Pokemon were still coded within the game. Unlike in modern generations
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To also play Devil's Advocate, most people that play Pokemon don't play to catch every single Pokemon in existence. They just go for whatever looks cool, cute, etc. and run with that for the entire game. There's also the fact that at least 1/3 of the pokedex is pretty much filler (the first route rodents, birds, the majority of Gen 5's roster being off-shoots of gen 1's Pokemon, the pika-clones, etc.).
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Those people can no longer go for whatever they found cool/cute/etc in previous games with newer ones because there's no guarantee they'll be able to even transfer them up again
Filler or not, every Pokémon is someone's favorite, and making the argument that people just won't care because not everybody is a 100%er is rather disingenuous imo
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That's assuming those same people use services like Home and Bank. Some of them do, sure, but you also have people like me that's content with starting over with every new game.
Yeah, everyone has their favorites, but some are more favored by the general player base than others. For example, I like Dedenne, but I'd be hard-pressed to find someone that feels the same way. Especially with the general sentiment regarding Pika-clones. If we can't have every Pokemon in a game, I'd much prefer that the fan favorites are brought along with the new ones.
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Just because not everyone uses Home/Bank doesn't mean those who do should be punished for it
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Of course, but I'm more arguing in favor of not having every Pokemon be obtainable in every entry.
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Oh, this argument again.
I’ll say it as someone who was on the side of “Dexit was overdue” - we now have over 1000 Pokémon, and Gamefreak don’t exactly have the best track record on the technical side the last few generations. The Base Game Gen 9 Pokédex is roughly 400 Pokémon - plus or minus because of Regional Forms and the bullshit you can do with those via breeding - which I consider something of a sweet spot. Knowing Gamefreaks track record, and the state Gen 9 launched in, I legitimately wouldn’t be surprised if keeping the unused Pokemon models in storage in case people wanted to transfer up either bloated the games file size, or broke even more of this fucking game.
Granted, I’m someone who’s favourites from each gen tend to be around in some way or another, so to me it’s whatever.
I’ll say it as someone who was on the side of “Dexit was overdue” - we now have over 1000 Pokémon, and Gamefreak don’t exactly have the best track record on the technical side the last few generations. The Base Game Gen 9 Pokédex is roughly 400 Pokémon - plus or minus because of Regional Forms and the bullshit you can do with those via breeding - which I consider something of a sweet spot. Knowing Gamefreaks track record, and the state Gen 9 launched in, I legitimately wouldn’t be surprised if keeping the unused Pokemon models in storage in case people wanted to transfer up either bloated the games file size, or broke even more of this fucking game.
Granted, I’m someone who’s favourites from each gen tend to be around in some way or another, so to me it’s whatever.
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lol fuck your gay pokedex conversation, i just caught a shiny magikarp in scarlet. its stats suck balls and its nature is meh, but these things can be fixed.
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is that stuff about the golden texture real
I remember people saying golden shinies like Magikarp or Forretress had a shiny texture applied to them but I never found a golden shiny in my pirated copy (only a Lechonk, rip) so I couldn't confirm
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I've bitched about Dexit in the past here, but I'll keep it simple in regards to my argument.
The issue is that having all Pokemon made the games unique, special in a way that nothing else has ever compared. Giving that up is destroying the very identity of the franchise. It wasn't done for a good reason, anything about graphics or memory limitations is bullshit, it was cynically done to sell shit like Pokemon Home and put even less effort into making the games. I would give them the benefit of the doubt if Home was free, but $20 a year is avaricious nonsense - Google Drive give you millions of times the storage for free that it takes to hold the kilobytes of Pokemon data. It steams me to no end they changed from physical solutions to moving Pokemon to software that's future is basically numbered as seen by Pokemon Bank being axed from download-ability soon when they could have made a physical dongle to save the data to transfer from 3DS to Switch.
In the end it's true most people don't care about bringing Pokemon into new games. 90% probably don't even connect their games together in any way, just abandoning the save and moving on to the next game when it comes. That makes the effort to nickle and dime that 10% with manufactured fees for a worse version of something that always existed for free all the worse. Being okay with Dexit is being okay with lower standards and the attempt to make every game have live service elements, and I can't abide that.
Still, game is made by small indie company, so prease undertandu.
The issue is that having all Pokemon made the games unique, special in a way that nothing else has ever compared. Giving that up is destroying the very identity of the franchise. It wasn't done for a good reason, anything about graphics or memory limitations is bullshit, it was cynically done to sell shit like Pokemon Home and put even less effort into making the games. I would give them the benefit of the doubt if Home was free, but $20 a year is avaricious nonsense - Google Drive give you millions of times the storage for free that it takes to hold the kilobytes of Pokemon data. It steams me to no end they changed from physical solutions to moving Pokemon to software that's future is basically numbered as seen by Pokemon Bank being axed from download-ability soon when they could have made a physical dongle to save the data to transfer from 3DS to Switch.
In the end it's true most people don't care about bringing Pokemon into new games. 90% probably don't even connect their games together in any way, just abandoning the save and moving on to the next game when it comes. That makes the effort to nickle and dime that 10% with manufactured fees for a worse version of something that always existed for free all the worse. Being okay with Dexit is being okay with lower standards and the attempt to make every game have live service elements, and I can't abide that.
Still, game is made by small indie company, so prease undertandu.
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yep. I was kinda surprised, but shiny magikarp does indeed have a metallic gold texture, as though it were made of gold. so that's pretty neat.
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doublepost for absolutely meaningless information
your trainer does have a spin animation, so if you rotate the analog stick really fast, your trainer will twirl/spin in place as long as you continue rotating the analog stick. your trainer will do a dizzy animation if you stop rotating the stick. the same can be done while riding koraidon/miraidon, but there is no spin animation, but rather spinning too fast will eventually cause it to stop and do a little dizzy animation.
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your trainer does have a spin animation, so if you rotate the analog stick really fast, your trainer will twirl/spin in place as long as you continue rotating the analog stick. your trainer will do a dizzy animation if you stop rotating the stick. the same can be done while riding koraidon/miraidon, but there is no spin animation, but rather spinning too fast will eventually cause it to stop and do a little dizzy animation.
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Maybe GF should keep bloat/duplication in mind next time before making yet another fucking pig/boar line. And yes, I've brought this up before.