Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

Even if people became more critical of XY and later on the ultra games and lets go, most people still weren't as critical towards any of the 3D games like they are today.
I go so far as to argue this shift in opinion stems entirely from Dexit; not that it happened but how it was handled. GF was content to keep it under their hats until SwSh had already come out, until a rando English-speaking journo was excited for his favorite shit-mon that wasn’t actually going to appear. And they still hadn’t made an official announcement about it until after Japanese fans had been hearing about it for a while from English-speaking fans. This prompted people to examine why something like this would happen and comparing it to the given reason to why the 3DS titles ran like ass, dragging them into the discussion.

Had GF been upfront with Dexit, SwSh would have been criticized on their own.
 
I wish there were more cool event only locations like Gen 3 and 4 had. Gen 6 was the start of the boring DLC download "mystery gift" events that were boring and little different than injecting a new team with pkhex.
I pretty sure the only event they had for gen 6 was in oras where if you have a Diancie and try to exit a pokemon center, there will be npcs who would speak a few lines of dialog and then you're just given a Diancite
 
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I wish there were more cool event only locations like Gen 3 and 4 had. Gen 6 was the start of the boring DLC download "mystery gift" events that were boring and little different than injecting a new team with pkhex.
Ironically enough, the Gen 6 mythicals seemed to have quite a bit of lore and story to them, to the point where Hoopa's ring portals were part of the post game in ORAS.
And yet, you never learn what that deep lore is. Absolute lack of soul. Even worse, now you have to pay for DLCs to even get anything other than the box legendary.
No, I'm thinking of how Necrozoma's pokedex entry says it literally comes from another world, how the Ultra Beasts come out of interdimensional wormholes, and the entire subplot revolving around going through those interdimensional wormholes to get to the Ultra Megalopolis, whose source of light used to be Necrozma and who haven't had one since it went insane because they are not even part of the solar system. This is well beyond Zinnia hinting that Gen 6 and on take place in an alternate timeline, it's actual aliens that have the power to travel dimensions because that was all the rage in the late 10s.
You can call them aliens if you like, but the deal with Delta Episode and UB storylines is that this is all alternative timelines and universes. The only actual alien Pokemon that is confirmed is Deoxys and I want to keep it that way, since it makes him more unique.
 
Are all the old games gonna be available and playable on the Switch 2...or I still am going to have to use ROMS?
You have to still use roms to play any of the handheld games. Not even any of the game boy games will be on the switch 2, as of writing anyways. So far only the gamecube games (Colosseum and XD) are announced to be on the switch 2. I heard you can emulate on the steam deck which would feel the closest to playing on a handheld.
 
You can call them aliens if you like, but the deal with Delta Episode and UB storylines is that this is all alternative timelines and universes. The only actual alien Pokemon that is confirmed is Deoxys and I want to keep it that way, since it makes him more unique.
There's a fine line between an alternate timeline and an alternate timeline that also happens to have literal, extraterrestrial aliens. You can say that being extradimensional doesn't somehow make the Ultra Beasts aliens because they use an ultra wormhole instead of a classic space ship, but as far as I'm concerned they and the Megapolis meet the textbook definition of aliens. Like you said the whole thing cheapens Deoxys - along with the rest of the setting - and was needless.
 
There's a fine line between an alternate timeline and an alternate timeline that also happens to have literal, extraterrestrial aliens. You can say that being extradimensional doesn't somehow make the Ultra Beasts aliens because they use an ultra wormhole instead of a classic space ship, but as far as I'm concerned they and the Megapolis meet the textbook definition of aliens. Like you said the whole thing cheapens Deoxys - along with the rest of the setting - and was needless.
This sounds like apples and oranges to me. If most of the UBs came from a universe similar to ours, I really wouldn't consider them an alien no matter what the semantics. Same goes for the people in Megapolis. This is why I said Deoxys is the only proper alien in the franchise, what we see in SM is more in line with cryptids from another universe than a full blown alien invasion. I can give you Necrozma and box legendaries since they fit the space theme properly, but not the "generic" UBs. Then again, by that definition Palkia and Dialga might as well be aliens too.
 
but I still remember it wasn't hard to find criticism of Gen 6 on Gamefaqs or Youtube c.2014/15.
Huh, I had the exact opposite experience. Gamefaqs and Youtube were some of the most positive sites, well, as positive as Gamefaqs can be anyway.

I genuinely don't care about the opinions of normalfags, especially those who buy GFs games every year despite their declining quality.
They're not normalfags if they autistically buy every single game regardless of quality, that's nintendrone behavior. So far your definition of "normalfag" is "anyone who disagrees with me".
And most of the positive reception I saw came from Youtube, Gamefaqs, forums like Serebii and Bulbapedia, and smaller sites I can't even remember the names of.

Ironically you can even see this sentiment on this very thread. In the first 30 pages or so, even just looking at the highlights, you could see that most people early on were just talking about playing the games, with very few being critical. Even if people became more critical of XY and later on the ultra games and lets go, most people still weren't as critical towards any of the 3D games like they are today.

Like you said, this only changed after Dexit. And honestly? It's both sad and somewhat nostalgic seeing people before dexit being excited for sword and shield and then the opinions souring after dexit was announced. You could pretty much see the shift in sentiment within the community in real-time.
The difference is that we still enjoyed the games back then, even when we pointed out flaws. Even gens that weren't all that great in hindsight like 6 and 7 were mostly well received and liked, but after SwSh fans finally realized that the biggest flaws with the Switch games could be traced back to the 3DS era. We could tolerate a lack of a postgame, but a lack of a postgame AND not having half of all Pokemon with no way to transfer them? Not so tolerable.
 
They're not normalfags if they autistically buy every single game regardless of quality
That's the definition of a normalfag, buying the same game over and over no matter what. In this case, it's so they can pog at Pikachu for 2 hours(reason why they hated Gen 5 was because there was no Pikachu), get bored and never even finish the game, only to repeat the process when the new game gets released. Most people who buy the games don't finish the Elite Four, so you're automatically a "hardcore player" if you ever did. The gamebros who buy COD and sportsball every year aren't as pathetic, since at least they actually play these games over and over for an entire year.
And most of the positive reception I saw came from Youtube, Gamefaqs, forums like Serebii and Bulbapedia, and smaller sites I can't even remember the names of.
Serebii is a shill site and Bulbapedo is full of drones. Youtube is full of retards/normalfags and Gamefaqs is Gamefaqs. So yeah, mostly normalfags no better than redditors.
The difference is that we still enjoyed the games back then, even when we pointed out flaws. Even gens that weren't all that great in hindsight like 6 and 7 were mostly well received and liked, but after SwSh fans finally realized that the biggest flaws with the Switch games could be traced back to the 3DS era. We could tolerate a lack of a postgame, but a lack of a postgame AND not having half of all Pokemon with no way to transfer them? Not so tolerable.
Gen 6 and 7 were absolutely lackluster and I complained about them since day one. The only thing that saved them were the interesting gameplay mechanics(Megas, Z Crystals), the competitive side and in Gen 7's case, the unique environment and UBs. Everything else was garbage. There were many common complaints for both gens that people took problem with before and after Dexit, so like I said this is mostly you keeping your rose tinted shades on and pretending everybody loved this slop for almost 10 years blindly which is absolutely not the case. Even if the flaws were only made more apparent thanks to SwSh(and Let's Go to an extent), people who did play Gens 6 and 7 mostly played it in spite of their shortcomings, not because they thought they were actually good. Gen 6 and 7 fans were rare(many of them underage and only liked it because it was their first game) and today, it's only a good line opener if you're a troll with bad bait if you claim to be one.
BTW, you want to know why everybody tolerated these games and claimed to "enjoy" them, no matter how shitty they were? Simple, it was already mentioned, because all the Pokemon were there. Let's Go would also be received mostly positively if every Pokemon from Gen 7 was there, but it wasn't so people ate it alive. Gen 8 was only when this was made mainstream, hence the noticing from casuals and comparisons made to previous gens. This all happened years before SwSh btw, let's not pretend this is an overnight phenomenon rather than people reaching their boiling point.
Full compatibility between all gens is all that Pokemon had going for it, the only redeeming factor, and the studio was actually greedy and stupid enough to can it and save a few shekels since they knew their retarded, spineless fanbase would buy it anyways. You mentioned a lack of postgame, well guess what was the postgame for most people? Competitive, starting with online battles, online competitions and Battle Tree. Take away most Pokemon and moves and the competitive scene is boring, to the point where SwSh competitive history is divided between it's DLC seasons. Gen 9 doesn't even have a Battle Tower clone as if to make things worse.
Oh BTW, another factor that people don't seem to mention is that people were also angry that you had to pay money to access online features, especially when it was clear that the game would be online centric thanks to raids and what not. That on top of a HOME subscription and having to pay for a new console, new game AND Dexit on top of that? Yeah, it's definitely more nuanced than simply "lack of a post game".
 
This sounds like apples and oranges to me. If most of the UBs came from a universe similar to ours, I really wouldn't consider them an alien no matter what the semantics.
It's not semantics, the colloquial definition of an alien is something that come from outside the planet. They can come from a similar dimension all they want, they are still as much aliens as Deoxys, and if your definition of an alien precludes things that come from a 'similar' universe (how is not having a sun similar?) then Deoxys wouldn't even be an alien by that definition.
 
It's not semantics, the colloquial definition of an alien is something that come from outside the planet. They can come from a similar dimension all they want, they are still as much aliens as Deoxys, and if your definition of an alien precludes things that come from a 'similar' universe (how is not having a sun similar?) then Deoxys wouldn't even be an alien by that definition.
Glad they decided to forget about Deoxys and not add any new forms to it. Mega Rayquaza in ORAS was more important because it was a solid villain for it to battle. Though it couldnt change forms at will or anything that it can canonically do while riding on the back of a giant asteroid.

Really was weird how they had an entire section of Veilstone city dedicated to it with the crashed meteorites and there was a similar place in HG/SS but the pokemon itself was virtually unobtainable without cheating if Gen 4 was your intro to the series. Wonder if there was ever a cut deoxys event. As I didnt see anything about it in any of the leaks over the years.
 
bro the site is running fast at the moment because people's lazy ctrl+v pastes are no longer 5MB.
...the Ctrl-V phase of my life is over.

they should honestly take gen 1, 2, 3 and make an mmo out of it. rebalance everything, give new players 3 different non-standard starters that would include shit like caterpie and gastly and zigzagoon, make the options region-based, and add a bunch of unique events and stuff to do. in games what really makes them memorable is the music and a sense of exploration, so blow up the size of the map and create a ton of points of interest so you're always bumping into people like old school runescape. create a really in depth breeding system so lifeless players can make the most tweaked out rattatas ever seen that takes months to perfect.

the main folly of pokemon has always been that there's like 10,000 different creatures but everyone's party ends up looking the same in most playthroughs. create insane scarcity, region lock your options based on where you're physically playing from, make shitty mons more viable, force people to get creative.
I find this Horrifying because that would just be a repeat of the TemTem fiasco.

So I've been completely out of the loop on Pokemon ZA but I just saw this and just have to ask; why did they design a pokemon with a gem buttplug?
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In general, Nintendo & co does that a lot, they try to move players around like cattle by doing all sort of strategic thinking and they forget that the quality of the games is what determines the success of the product. It's almost like the games themselves are an after-thought and they spend most of their energy thinking about who will buy what and in what format. Of course it's a business but good marketing is what makes good games even more successful.
I am reminded of the controversy Wizards of the Coast had where they would only let children play in Pokémon Trading Card Game tournaments, ince Magic: the Gathering was the 'adult version' of the Pokémon Trading Card Game.

I wrote it at first, but I removed it because it falls under "cartoony versions of real bugs." It looks cool and is decently strong, but it's still a rhinoceros beetle with googly eyes.
Abou that: https://tcrf.net/File:PMSF_214.CBB.w128.png

Making trade-only evolutions was a mistake.
Trading was fundamental to the gam, especially since Satoshi wanted to encourage human interaction wit his games. Getting rid of those mistakes would be getting rid of something fundamental to Pokémon.
 
Gen 6 and 7 were absolutely lackluster and I complained about them since day one. The only thing that saved them were the interesting gameplay mechanics(Megas, Z Crystals), the competitive side and in Gen 7's case, the unique environment and UBs. Everything else was garbage. There were many common complaints for both gens that people took problem with before and after Dexit, so like I said this is mostly you keeping your rose tinted shades on and pretending everybody loved this slop for almost 10 years blindly which is absolutely not the case.
I'm saying the games were well received, not that I liked them or that they were good, I've said before that gen 6 is incomplete and boring and I've already ranted somewhere on this thread about gen 7 being shit. Gen 6 was an unfinished mess, and it was criticized for being an unfinished mess, but overall it was still well received, especially in the months after launch, even if it's due to "normalfags".

BTW, you want to know why everybody tolerated these games and claimed to "enjoy" them, no matter how shitty they were? Simple, it was already mentioned, because all the Pokemon were there. Let's Go would also be received mostly positively if every Pokemon from Gen 7 was there, but it wasn't so people ate it alive.
Let's Go was poorly received because it was the second Kanto remake after all the Kanto pandering in SuMo and especially in XY. And yes, the games were tolerated despite their flaws as long as they had all Pokemon in them, and criticism only ramped up after they weren't, that's part of my point.

Oh BTW, another factor that people don't seem to mention is that people were also angry that you had to pay money to access online features, especially when it was clear that the game would be online centric thanks to raids and what not.
Nintendrones complain about the shitty pricing but they eventually accept it. There was a lot of backlash surrounding paid online but you don't hear a peep about it anymore. Personally I refuse to pay for something I used to get for free.

I mean it now has access to eviolite, so that's a plus at least? So now you have a bulkier sword dance abuser. Just gotta keep it away from fighting types
The eviolite doesn't help much if the Pokemon isn't very bulky to begin with, there's a reason why it's only seen as a serious option on already bulky NFE mons like Chansey, Porygon 2 and Dusclops. There should be a version of the eviolite that boosts attack, maybe only by 25% so it's not too broken.
 
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Trading was fundamental to the gam, especially since Satoshi wanted to encourage human interaction wit his games. Getting rid of those mistakes would be getting rid of something fundamental to Pokémon.
Not really. Pokemon GO did a better job of encouraging social interaction back when it released. The mainline games have always been a singleplayer experience first with a vocal minority sperging about competitive pokemon.
 
I dont know if something broke with the game but while playing Emerald rouge, my Metagross earthquake did almost no damage. took like 4-5 earthquakes to kill a Slowking. we were both level 55 but Metagross did fuck all damage. No way Slowking is THAT tanky. Rain dance was active but i doubt that had any to do with that.
 
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