Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Computer God Autism]

I have an interesting idea, what if YOU were in charge of when mainline games were released from the 3ds era onwards, how long would you have each game developed and what years would you have them released.

For me:
2013: XY
2014: Break Year
2015: ORAS (with emerald content and better balance)
2016: Z (fixing all of XY's issues and be the 20th anniversary release title)
2017: Break year
2018: SM
2019: USUM (but as a proper sequel)
2020: Break year
2021: SwSh
2022: BDSP (but with platinum content)
2023: Break year
2024: Legends Arceus (Q1 or Q2 as to give SV and Legends ZA more breathing space)
2025: SV
2026: Legends ZA (paralleling pokemon Z as a anniversary title) (also builds upon what was done in Arceus so 3 games in a row wouldn't be too overbearing)

I mean, at that point I'd just completely restructure the way Gamefreak did their games. Conquest launches in 2013 as the first Pokemon game for the 3DS with actual tactical models to take advantage of the 3d and being able to rotate the map, along with a few minor changes. No X/Y, a single XYZ version (or a less retarded name for it) in early 2014 that has more time to cook, no time and resources wasted on gimmicks like Megas, no Fairy types to further break the balance (just buff Ice types and/or make Dragon weak to Steel, it's France for God's sake, it gets cold too), focus on having more stuff to do in the region and have it be interesting (remember when you could double back to a place and it had something new? Kalos forgot). Kalos has a small Pokedex? Stop caring about numbers, do something cool like make the Elite Four be customizable and where you can lose your status as sitting champion. Bring over the stuff that was lost in Gen 5 like the Battle Frontier and secret bases and contest (and then bring over the stuff from Gen 5 on top of that). Hell, add basic rpg mechanics like story choices and being able to travel with npc trainers (they really wanted you to care about Shauna, why not let us do double battles with her?). Then a year and a half later drop a 10 year anniversary direct Emerald remake that makes HGSS look like FRLG.

SM would honestly have to be reworked nearly from the ground up, a lot of its design was the culmination of the worst of Gamefreak's ideas over the decade and you couldn't really remove those without ripping out the core of it. And after that it just gets worse and you'd be fighting against stuff that is now core parts of the industry like DLC. Honestly, writing all this out and I think Gen 6 is the only one that can really be saved without nearly burning it to the ground and rebuilding, and even then it would still be a pretty drastic reconstruction to get something on par with BW2.

 

[Squawking Macaw]

I haven't played Pokemon since middle school when I bought Blue the week it was released, but I've been having cravings to play again. What are the best Pokemon games of the modern era for Switch or 3DS?

If you want to play the golden age of Pokemon, you're gonna want the DS games, they're even backwards compatible with the 3DS. They're all pretty good except for Diamond and Pearl (play Platinum instead, it's the improved version).

The 3DS era is where the quality started going downhill, but most people still enjoyed Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire and Sun & Moon (the Ultra games added new features, but were worse in some respects).

 

[Retarded Weeb]

Conquest launches in 2013 as the first Pokemon game for the 3DS with actual tactical models to take advantage of the 3d and being able to rotate the map, along with a few minor changes.

Pokemon Conquest was developed by Koei as part of a deal they made with TPC and uses elements from their Nobunaga's Ambition and Samurai Warriors games. Which is to say, Game Freak didn't really have any involvement in it other than I guess they could have had the project shut down entirely if they didn't like it. So I think in the hypothetical of what you'd do if you had full control over Game Freak, you still wouldn't be able have any effect on Conquest or most other spin-offs.

 

[Abella]

lolwut? How the hell do you grind, then?

You have to either catch Pokemon or battle trainers, and the trainers are one and done iirc.

 

[Danann]

SM would honestly have to be reworked nearly from the ground up, a lot of its design was the culmination of the worst of Gamefreak's ideas over the decade and you couldn't really remove those without ripping out the core of it. And after that it just gets worse and you'd be fighting against stuff that is now core parts of the industry like DLC. Honestly, writing all this out and I think Gen 6 is the only one that can really be saved without nearly burning it to the ground and rebuilding, and even then it would still be a pretty drastic reconstruction to get something on par with BW2.

At this point, I would just put the Pokemon franchise to sleep after Gen 6 for several years after your suggested rework and disband The Pokemon Company as well cause, frankly, I'd be more caring about keeping whatever pride that the franchise had then and let the fans continue the adventures in their own way, rather than struggle to keep up with industry standards.
Then, in 2023, after years of hibernation, a new Pokemon reboot from the ground up is made...one where world is brought back to its roots but with the modern benefits of the later generations, as well as new innovations and QoL choices. More of an actual RPG than what it used to be....and yes, it would be Pokemon Scarlet and Violet as their names.

 

[Computer God Autism]

Pokemon Conquest was developed by Koei as part of a deal they made with TPC and uses elements from their Nobunaga's Ambition and Samurai Warriors games. Which is to say, Game Freak didn't really have any involvement in it other than I guess they could have had the project shut down entirely if they didn't like it. So I think in the hypothetical of what you'd do if you had full control over Game Freak, you still wouldn't be able have any effect on Conquest or most other spin-offs.

I'm pretty sure TPC would still have control over release deadlines, but yeah fair point.

 

[McMitch]

no time and resources wasted on gimmicks like Megas, no Fairy types

This right here is dumb enough to invalidate your entire plan.

 

[Computer God Autism]

This right here is dumb enough to invalidate your entire plan.

Cope. Sneed.

 

[Punished Brent]

It's playable in the sense that a lot of the bugs and glitches that plagued the game on the Switch just aren't a thing when the game's played on a Switch 2, it still has all of the post-Gen 5 stuff that some people complain about though.

Thats great news that it can perform at the bare baseline level. That game is basically unplayable on my switch to the extent that I never finished it and just moved everything to the bank lol

 

[Computer God Autism]

 

[Grayback]

Drove into the next neighborhood over to hunt down an Oshawott in Pokémon GO (the last starter that's been keeping me from completing a pokédex since Gen 5).
Saw a high-school-aged kid setting fires at the basketball court.
He left on his bike, I went around the block and found him again, confronted him, and he fled between the houses in a panic.

Man, that game really does make you learn more about where you live, huh.

 

[anti SJW]

 

[Archeops]

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Thanks, I needed a reminder of how shitty the TCG’s collecting scene was back then to refire my hatred of scalpers and resellers.

 

[Tate McRae]

Which of the Switch games are the best? I already have BD and it's good but not as good as I remember the DS ones being. Are the Eevee and Pikachu ones any good? Haven't played Sword/Shield and Scarlet/Violet.

 

[chimpSculpture]

Which of the Switch games are the best? I already have BD and it's good but not as good as I remember the DS ones being. Are the Eevee and Pikachu ones any good? Haven't played Sword/Shield and Scarlet/Violet.

They're all pretty poor but BD/SP is probably the best out of all the Switch games just because it's still gen 4. The remake was outsourced and ended up becoming buggy messes with very little new or improved (literally nothing from Platinum was included because they were strictly Diamond and Pearl remakes), so you're right in thinking they feel off.

I'd actually recommend Legends Arceus, it's a spinoff but it's probably the most decent Switch game GameFreak put out themselves. It's giving me hope ZA will be decent. It's a completely different gameplay loop though.

If you're a genwunner maybe you'd enjoy Eevee and Pikachu's memberberries, but they're hugely stripped down compared to even the original Red and Blue, somehow. They were made for the people who had only ever played Pokémon Go, I don't think you even battle wild Pokémon you just throw a ball.

 

[Tate McRae]

I'd actually recommend Legends Arceus, it's a spinoff but it's probably the most decent Switch game GameFreak put out themselves. It's giving me hope ZA will be decent. It's a completely different gameplay loop though.

I did enjoy Legends Arceus, and then like all the games (Harvest Moon: Winds of Anthos and Dragon Quest Monsters: The Dark Prince, for instance) started to copy the general look and feel of the game!

 

[Computer God Autism]

Thanks, I needed a reminder of how shitty the TCG’s collecting scene was back then to refire my hatred of scalpers and resellers.

TBF I blame Wizards of the Coast for the problems with the TCG more than scalpers themselves. They just take advantage of the horrible decisions in managing the card game that TPC has made.

Which of the Switch games are the best? I already have BD and it's good but not as good as I remember the DS ones being. Are the Eevee and Pikachu ones any good? Haven't played Sword/Shield and Scarlet/Violet.

I'd actually recommend Legends Arceus, it's a spinoff but it's probably the most decent Switch game GameFreak put out themselves. It's giving me hope ZA will be decent. It's a completely different gameplay loop though.

I second Legends Arceus, aside from the original PMD remake it's been the only decent Pokemon game on the Switch and is probably a fluke. BDSP are insults to the concept of remakes, take what were already the weakest Gen 4 games and make them actively worse in every conceivable way, and unlike ORAS don't even have the decency to include even so much as nods to all the changes that Platinum introduced that made people retroactively like D/P.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I did enjoy Legends Arceus, and then like all the games (Harvest Moon: Winds of Anthos and Dragon Quest Monsters: The Dark Prince, for instance) started to copy the general look and feel of the game!

DQM doesn't play like the old ones?

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Whooooa hold on a second here. I'm currently watching/listening to a Hoenn retrospective video, and in ORAS, with the New Mauville stuff that you read in the Sea Mauville wreck, he's mentioning that apparently Infinity Energy is literally fueled by Pokémon souls and there was a cult Watson was a part of in attempt to use this to become Hoenn's new energy resource. Like holy shit???

 

[Anonitolia]

Whooooa hold on a second here. I'm currently watching/listening to a Hoenn retrospective video, and in ORAS, with the New Mauville stuff that you read in the Sea Mauville wreck, he's mentioning that apparently Infinity Energy is literally fueled by Pokémon souls and there was a cult Watson was a part of in attempt to use this to become Hoenn's new energy resource. Like holy shit???

reason #40,001 to ignore anything made after Masuda stepped down