Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[robobobo]

I think it's maybe giving too much credit to say that they had a design theme that's shifted. It's probably more accurate to say that they had the time and creativity to make the first generation or two, then ran out of good ideas and had to just crank shit out with a looming deadline. It got kind of obvious when they reached the point of just emptying their pockets on the table and looking around the room for whatever desperate inspiration they could find to crank out yet another pokemon.

 

[Hideous K]

I think it's maybe giving too much credit to say that they had a design theme that's shifted. It's probably more accurate to say that they had the time and creativity to make the first generation or two, then ran out of good ideas and had to just crank shit out with a looming deadline. It got kind of obvious when they reached the point of just emptying their pockets on the table and looking around the room for whatever desperate inspiration they could find to crank out yet another pokemon.

exactly this, there's a lot of fans that can make pokemon from pixiv and some from deviantart (take that with a grain of salt) the core team has been losing stream for awhile since Gen 7 and Gen 8 has a penguin with a ice-block for a head, a far-cry of the devs who made the Piplup/Prinplup/Empoleon water starter from Sinnoh

 

[Love Machine]

I think it's maybe giving too much credit to say that they had a design theme that's shifted. It's probably more accurate to say that they had the time and creativity to make the first generation or two, then ran out of good ideas and had to just crank shit out with a looming deadline. It got kind of obvious when they reached the point of just emptying their pockets on the table and looking around the room for whatever desperate inspiration they could find to crank out yet another pokemon.

This is the most boomer fucking take I've ever seen.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

I think it's maybe giving too much credit to say that they had a design theme that's shifted. It's probably more accurate to say that they had the time and creativity to make the first generation or two, then ran out of good ideas and had to just crank shit out with a looming deadline. It got kind of obvious when they reached the point of just emptying their pockets on the table and looking around the room for whatever desperate inspiration they could find to crank out yet another pokemon.

I wouldn't really go as far as to say that they're running out of ideas seeing as that's been a critique that people have had with the games since gen 5 (maybe a little later than that but I'm not sure). The whole "Game Freak is running out of ideas" statememt comes off more like "I don't like the designs so there must be something wrong with the developers".

 

[Love Machine]

I wouldn't really go as far as to say that they're running out of ideas seeing as that's been a critique that people have had with the games since gen 5 (maybe a little later than that but I'm not sure). The whole "Game Freak is running out of ideas" statememt comes off more like "I don't like the designs so there must be something wrong with the developers".

theyve been saying their running out of ideas since gen 3, obviously they dont shit on gen 2 because half the game is kanto.

 

[OddEyes]

Thank you for bringing up Galvantula too, I think it’s a Gen V Pokemon that really nails the aesthetic that I believe was more typical in earlier generations. Not that that is necessarily a good or bad thing mind you; I’m only talking about this at all because I’m trying to figure out the root of the noticeable contrast and shift in design feel of the creatures over time.

Not to start shit here either, but I think it has something more to do with the fact that the art style is becoming more round.

Like, let me give an example:

I think Nidoking is a great example for this - To the left you've got Gen 1's official art and current artwork for the poison rabbit (and yeah, he's a rabbit, that's what the asethetic was for the Nido lines) If you look at the horns and claws, you can see that the older version has more jagged and rough edges to it, meanwhile the right version has a more rounder shape.

The right has a much cleaner look, and the rounder shape is actually playing off of a psychological aspect of rounder shapes, it gives off a much more friendly and approachable design. It's part of the reason why people take to Wooloo actually, despite it's extremely simple design:

Here's the thing that we need to consider, and that's how pokemon's demographic slowly shifted from pre-teens to kids, and let's face it, that is a different kind of demographic, as well as it being a much more broad.
Again, designs have changed to be a lot more 'softer':

Stuff like fangs and claws have dulled a little bit. Fur has become a lot smoother.

That isn't to say that those elements aren't there, but they're a lot less prominent.

And there's nothing wrong with rounder designs either, just pointing out a possibility as to why you're feeling this way.

 

[TrippinKahlua]

People are moaning over Charizard being the only starter in, I'm here celebrating over it getting the title "Pseudo Legendary"

 

[$45]

I don't think the designs are essentially "bad" but are highly different from what we are used to. I personally find them funny and intriguing, guess I been liking weirder and more toony styles more lately.

Like Sobble's final evolution is inspired by fictional British spies like James bond. I find it highly imaginative in all honesty.

I think one of the major reasons why there is so outrage is simply a lot of the fans are getting onder and latching on how things used to be. I could be wrong.

 

[Love Machine]

Pseudo Legendary is a term for pokemon for a bst of 60, thats a club of Dragonite, Tyranitar, Metagross, Salamence, Garchomp, Hydreigon, Goodra, kommo-o and now with the 8th gen, Dragopult. Starters never get anywhere near that.

 

[Tour of Italy]

Not to start shit here either, but I think it has something more to do with the fact that the art style is becoming more round.

Like, let me give an example:

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I think Nidoking is a great example for this - To the left you've got Gen 1's official art and current artwork for the poison rabbit (and yeah, he's a rabbit, that's what the asethetic was for the Nido lines) If you look at the horns and claws, you can see that the older version has more jagged and rough edges to it, meanwhile the right version has a more rounder shape.

The right has a much cleaner look, and the rounder shape is actually playing off of a psychological aspect of rounder shapes, it gives off a much more friendly and approachable design. It's part of the reason why people take to Wooloo actually, despite it's extremely simple design:

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Here's the thing that we need to consider, and that's how pokemon's demographic slowly shifted from pre-teens to kids, and let's face it, that is a different kind of demographic, as well as it being a much more broad.
Again, designs have changed to be a lot more 'softer':

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Stuff like fangs and claws have dulled a little bit. Fur has become a lot smoother.

That isn't to say that those elements aren't there, but they're a lot less prominent.

And there's nothing wrong with rounder designs either, just pointing out a possibility as to why you're feeling this way.

I think the roundness and the general switch to more appealing and approachable designs are definitely major factors.

That said, I think there’s still a noticeable difference between the updated Gen I designs and the brand new ones. The eyeballs jump out as the Toriyama inspired designs have largely been phased out, but I still think there might be more to it.

One thing maybe worth considering is claws and digits? I notice our sheep friend’s feet terminate with Gumby blobs instead of useable extremities. So do Lapras’ fins, but that’s not out of place for an aquatic creature.

Textures play a roll too I think. I may have a glance full the full Dex and see if I can come up with something.

 

[$45]

I missed the days when people just had fun and accept flaws and imperfections in a game.

Now it just leaks, outrage, and 'muh graphics'.

 

[Tour of Italy]

I missed the days when people just had fun and accept flaws and imperfections in a game.

Now it just leaks, outrage, and 'muh graphics'.

I would add that I miss the days when companies shipped completed games that had been through quality control.

 

[TrippinKahlua]

Pseudo Legendary is a term for pokemon for a bst of 60, thats a club of Dragonite, Tyranitar, Metagross, Salamence, Garchomp, Hydreigon, Goodra, kommo-o and now with the 8th gen, Dragopult. Starters never get anywhere near that.

So you are saying Charizard isnt worthy? How dare you insult the Almighty Zard.

 

[Love Machine]

So you are saying Charizard isnt worthy? How dare you insult the Almighty Zard.

not only is he not worthy, aside from marketing power he shares the spot with meganium as the absolute shittiest starter without using a gimmick form.

 

[$45]

Game freak doesn't really have that benefit of that anymore. Pokemon became this massive worldwide phenomenon, so much they are expected to make a mainline game regularly with a deadline. My main gripe is the game going to be fun and the bugs/glitches make it unplayable .

The way I see it, them are going stick with the sun/moon engine and make improvements and additions as time goes on. The same way fromsoft does with the souls games.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

he shares the spot with meganium as the absolute shittiest starter without using a gimmick form.

Woah, now that's a stretch if I've ever seen one. Yes, Meganium doesn't have a good learnset, but that's the oppisite case for charizard. For all the gen 1 starter pokemon as of recent years.

For reference, Here's the moves charizard can learn by leveling up.

And here's Meganium's.

Charizard's mega form and Gigantomax form only make him stronger if you ask me.

 

[iRON-mAn]

One thing maybe worth considering is claws and digits? I notice our sheep friend’s feet terminate with Gumby blobs instead of useable extremities. So do Lapras’ fins, but that’s not out of place for an aquatic creature.

What exactly do you mean by useable extremities? Sheep normally have hooves, which, while more pointed usually than rounded than Wooloo's, are not exactly useful for anything other than walking.

 

[Tour of Italy]

What exactly do you mean by useable extremities? Sheep normally have hooves, which, while more pointed usually than rounded than Wooloo's, are not exactly useful for anything other than walking.

Maybe “useable” isn’t the exact term I meant.

“Distinct” or “Articulated”; something other than a rounded geometric shape.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I missed the days when people just had fun and accept flaws and imperfections in a game.

Now it just leaks, outrage, and 'muh graphics'.

This basically.

GF has definitely fucked up a ton, but I think some people are going too far with the outrage. There's actually some really cool stuff here, and people just seem to be overlooking it.

 

[$45]

This basically.

GF has definitely fucked up a ton, but I think some people are going too far with the outrage. There's actually some really cool stuff here, and people just seem to be overlooking it.

Yeah, game freak definitely did some missteps and could've handled things better. But goddamn, the fucking fans blown things way out of proportion. Fucking fandoms man..