Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Wingnut]

I'm down for it. Make the pool of Pokemon better, introduce the QOL improvements from SwSh and it's all you really need.

I've been happy with the entertainment I've gotten out of SwSh, considering I've accumulated 450 hours in Shield I would hope so anyway.
I would imagine that SwSh will get a patch to be compatible with the rest of the reintroduced mons, and the generation will essentially be the same as the relationship between DPP and HGSS. My only real wishlist item would be to bring back and add more mega evolutions, other than that I'm just looking forward to being able to hang with my turtle boy.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

The gen 8 fanbase is also infested with sjws and fujos the worst out of all of them,

That's most likely why Gen 8's fanbase is insufferable, they're only there to suck off the POC and so-called gay rep that permeates SwSh. The flamboyant character designs made these subhumans think they were getting legit gay boys when the English scene in general is known for its flamboyant nature. Game Freak also is not going to make an openly-gay character, just camp, and camp is not always gay.

 

[SnowBall]

The best are the gen 4 stans who bitch about gen 5 stans despite being equally as guilty of being rabid over their favorite games and shitting on later generations. They’re especially vocal now with the possibility of gen 4 remakes around the corner.

 

[Wingnut]

The best are the gen 4 stans who bitch about gen 5 stans despite being equally as guilty of being rabid over their favorite games and shitting on later generations. They’re especially vocal now with the possibility of gen 4 remakes around the corner.

I hate any Pokemon "stans" in general, from the Genwunners to the Gen 8's who think SwSh are flawless masterpieces. I've enjoyed every Pokemon generation since they've come out, and haven't had major issues personally with any of the games, even SwSh. I certainly recognize the issues some titles have but I still have had wholly enjoyable experiences with every one of the games.

 

[SnowBall]

I hate any Pokemon "stans" in general, from the Genwunners to the Gen 8's who think SwSh are flawless masterpieces. I've enjoyed every Pokemon generation since they've come out, and haven't had major issues personally with any of the games, even SwSh. I certainly recognize the issues some titles have but I still have had wholly enjoyable experiences with every one of the games.

Same, genwars are stupid as fuck but sadly it comes with the territory when you have a long running fandom where the franchise has been through multiple eras.

Also having played every generation I feel that there hasn’t been a truly irredeemably awful main line game. Even SwSh is a 6/10 at worst.

 

[starborn427614]

Same, genwars are stupid as fuck but sadly it comes with the territory when you have a long running fandom where the franchise has been through multiple eras.

Also having played every generation I feel that there hasn’t been a truly irredeemably awful main line game. Even SwSh is a 6/10 at worst.

As long as you get a new region, new Pokemon and new character to interact with and fire still beats grass etc. there'll never be a truly unplayable Pokemon game. It's why there's been so many failed clones that arguably do elements of the franchise better: It's not just a brand thing, it's a format thing.

 

[Disc]

I don't know about any generation's fans, all I do know is that, judging by the 'gen 5 music hits different' videos, Gen 5 fans are insufferable when it comes to video editing.

With that said, I'd say there are four main camps of thought on Gen 8:

- The A-logs: This is where a lot of 'review' YouTubers are. They hate hate haaaaate the game, to the point it blinds their ability to critique other things, and thus fall for even worse mon games like Pokemon is an ex they're trying to get jealous. Or they're doing it for clicks. One guy I've been half aware of for a while did four hours of ranting about the game across seven videos. These are also the people that made Temtem relevant, briefly.

For better or worse, hating these games has become a major thing for them, and if the series gets unambiguously good again, they're gonna panic from lost relevance.

- The disappointed: People who can recognize SwSh's flaws, and definitely dislike the games, but they're not blindly praising anything that isn't Pokemon right now. Reactions to upcoming DP games are anywhere from muted hope to undertone of dread. They can even acknowledge that gen 8 has some good qualities while still believing it is a disappointment. I'd say most of the farms is here.

- The it's okay-ers: People who enjoy the game, and are much softer on it's flaws. Expect them to have had a passing interest in competitive and thus be very happy about being able to get Pokemon in there more easily than ever.

With that said, if you ask them what their favourite pokemon is, 9 times out of ten it's in the 400 from the initial Galar Dex. some of the biggest flaws of the generation had a muted impact on them, so they're naturally less critical of it. I'd say I'm in this category.

- The stans: these people believe gen 8 is unambiguously good and will support it through thick and thin. most of them are just horny for one or more of the character designs, or they became an anti-anti because an A-log pissed them off. Probably play it the least out of all four groups.

 

[SnowBall]

There are” hits differently” videos for every Pokemon game. I have been seeing more and more of them pop up lately for other gens outside of 5. Honestly gen 5 fans are no worse than the gen 3 fans making Hoenn trumpet videos. At least the videos are just people goofing off and having fun, they can be ignored and blocked. I very, very rarely have a “hits different” or a Hoenn trumpet video in my recommend youtube videos despite looking up a lot of Pokemon music from all the games.

A lot of the fans on social media who complain about being bombarded with the videos are either going out of their way to find them or don’t realize the youtube algorithm customizes their recommended videos based on what they search on. It’s like SwSh stans who obsessively stalk Distant Kingdom and watch his reviews then cry when they keep getting similar videos from other youtubers popping up in their recommended feeds. Fans don’t realize they have tools on social media at their disposal like blocking and muting to control what they see on their feeds. Nobody has self control anymore.

As for SwSh I am in between the disappointed and okay camps.

 

[Rotollo]

I just assume most of the Gen 8 fanboys (Not saying stan because god that word has been fucked to death) are like that Tex guy from earlier in the thread with the 26 alt accounts.

- The A-logs: This is where a lot of 'review' YouTubers are. They hate hate haaaaate the game, to the point it blinds their ability to critique other things, and thus fall for even worse mon games like Pokemon is an ex they're trying to get jealous. Or they're doing it for clicks. One guy I've been half aware of for a while did four hours of ranting about the game across seven videos. These are also the people that made Temtem relevant, briefly.

For better or worse, hating these games has become a major thing for them, and if the series gets unambiguously good again, they're gonna panic from lost relevance.

- The disappointed: People who can recognize SwSh's flaws, and definitely dislike the games, but they're not blindly praising anything that isn't Pokemon right now. Reactions to upcoming DP games are anywhere from muted hope to undertone of dread. They can even acknowledge that gen 8 has some good qualities while still believing it is a disappointment. I'd say most of the farms is here.

So is sucking temtem's dick the point of no return to alog-dom basically?

 

[Disc]

I just assume most of the Gen 8 fanboys (Not saying stan because god that word has been fucked to death) are like that Tex guy from earlier in the thread with the 26 alt accounts.

So is sucking temtem's dick the point of no return to alog-dom basically?

Now? Much more likely. At the time of release? nah, it was just the popular thing to do.

Other signs are much better indicators for lolcowdom, though, such as claiming temtem is the best and yet:

- Still using Pokemon names for types. Poison over Toxic, Fighting over Melee, Grass over Nature...
- Favorite Temtem is Platypet, the Fakemon that was brought in by a fan
- Using a pokemon as a profile picture (one of the mods, TmTrainer, did this for the longest time)
- "It's okay to not have a real endgame for the first year of the game's existence because we haven't reached the actual 'endgame' yet, which is obviously a fixed and static point in this mmo."
- Getting unreasonably pissy whenever someone suggests doing something like Pokemon

and more I'll think of later

 

[SnowBall]

You also have TemTem fanboys who get really mad if you think the monster designs look awful.

 

[Disc]

You also have TemTem fanboys who get really mad if you think the monster designs look awful.

That's because the truth hurts. Not only are most temtem just ugly, many either suffer from a lack of identity or a lack of cohesion.

For example on the latter point, in the following spoiler are pictures of Digimon, Spectrobes, and Yo-kai, in that order. In the second spoiler are images of a single one of each one, in a random order... and I guarantee that even if you haven't played any of the games, you'll be able to figure out who is what.

Spoiler: The example groups

Spoiler: The Test Group

With temtem, if it wasn't for the art style, they'd just lack that cohesion.

 

[SnowBall]

On a weird tangent I am actually glad they stopped doing Japanese regions after gen 4. Fanboys of the first four regions probably never stepped foot in Japan and get all their knowledge of Japan from anime and games, which makes those regions feel less touristy and more magical than they really are. And even still the first four regions had very different design philosophies from each other.

There is a whole thread on vp now full of people circlejerking over how much better and grittier gen 1 was despite it not even being gritty, that modern regions are souless and sanitized despite gens like 5 and 7 being arguably even darker than 1. Plus cherry picking character designs to prove Pokemon is more unrealistic now even though the examples given are supposed to be over the top, like Elesa being a fashion model. This obsession with grounded realism amongst millennials is so annoying.

 

[Rotollo]

which makes those regions feel less touristy and more magical than they really are.

Meh alot of the problem with the later regions designs is their area designed is so sandpapered off with its hallwayish routes. I know the previous games were far from skyrim but they felt less restricted than the current games do. And I guess alot of the regions being foreign to the devs made it to where it feels like the regions have Epcot syndrome where it feels very much like a surface level interpretation of the inspiration country. Unova is the only exception to this imo because they packed that shit full of different slices of americana despite being mostly based off of new york.
Even Aslowla felt hollow but that was probably due to how unfinished SUMO are.
for 8 and especially 6 it feels like they picked the inspiration region as an excuse for the team to visit that country in order to do some company paid for vacation but that's just my take.

There is a whole thread on vp now full of people circlejerking over how much better and grittier gen 1 was despite it not even being gritty, that modern regions are souless and sanitized despite gens like 5 and 7 being arguably even darker than 1.

Just take a break from vp bro

 

[SnowBall]

It helps that Unova isn’t fully based off New York City. The western part starting from Driftveil is based off of New Jersey, and parts of the Eastern section take a decent amount of cues from Long Island.

And yeah you’re right with vp. I usually avoid it like the plague but developing severe insomnia the past year thanks to the COVID lockdowns has dampened my impulse control.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Minus Kanto, the three regions based off of Japanese regions I think relied heavily on lore in their designs. With exception of Hoenn, when people think of the regions, they're not really thinking of the land structure itself but of what its themes stood for. It almost kinda seems like they wrote a region around these concepts of myths and tales of creation since the legend of that generation acts as the heart of the region that keeps it together. (Ecruteak, or at least the general area that includes Violet City and Ruins of Alph is Johto's heart, Sootopolis is Hoenn's heart, and Mt. Coronet is literally the centerpiece of Sinnoh.)

For Unova, what can you say would be its heart? Probably Dragonspiral Tower... and that's it? Relic Castle may have the region's lore, but nothing really significant occurs there unlike Dragonspiral Tower. N's Castle is important although its lore is scant due to being more modern in comparison to the ancient tower, which could help contribute in the theme of the conflicts of truth and idealism especially since the landmarks are literally on the opposite ends of the map.

Kalos has the lore of AZ and his ultimate weapon that nearly destroyed the region, but was his kingdom originally located in Geosenge Town where the weapon is being held? We weren't ever told about it, were we? The heart of Kalos might be Lumiose City since it's the largest city in the region and is literally smack-dab in the middle, but... nothing significant happens there outside of it hosting Team Flare's hideout. Terminus Cave where Zygarde sleeps may be the actual heart of the region, but it's so neglected both in-game and meta. Why was Zygarde situated there in the first place if it's just a coal mine? What makes it so special?

Alola has the guardian deities on each island in which each island has its own little history, and in Vast Poni Canyon lies the Altar of the Sunne/Moone, that's how you get to summon Lunala or Solgaleo depending on the version. Perhaps that's the heart of the region--but nah, let's not focus on that, we gotta restore the balance of the Pokémon world by entering the Ultra Beasts' dimension.

Galar has... uh... actually I don't know since I haven't been keeping up with the region. Like far as I know, there may be two areas of significance, one that's in the main game that I guess is near your hometown(?), and the other is the Crown Tundra further up north. Though I guess the heart of the region is Eternatus itself which sleeps underneath Hammerlocke, which is I think the oldest city in the region just from some quick searching. And it's technically in the center of the linear region.

But otherwise... I couldn't tell you the lore of the regions past Unova (and that's barely). I don't know if Game Freak approached the later regions the same way as with the Japanese-inspired regions, but could've fooled me otherwise since it feels like they were taking the backseat compared to Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh.

 

[Disc]

Minus Kanto, the three regions based off of Japanese regions I think relied heavily on lore in their designs. With exception of Hoenn, when people think of the regions, they're not really thinking of the land structure itself but of what its themes stood for. It almost kinda seems like they wrote a region around these concepts of myths and tales of creation since the legend of that generation acts as the heart of the region that keeps it together. (Ecruteak, or at least the general area that includes Violet City and Ruins of Alph is Johto's heart, Sootopolis is Hoenn's heart, and Mt. Coronet is literally the centerpiece of Sinnoh.)

For Unova, what can you say would be its heart? Probably Dragonspiral Tower... and that's it? Relic Castle may have the region's lore, but nothing really significant occurs there unlike Dragonspiral Tower. N's Castle is important although its lore is scant due to being more modern in comparison to the ancient tower, which could help contribute in the theme of the conflicts of truth and idealism especially since the landmarks are literally on the opposite ends of the map.

Kalos has the lore of AZ and his ultimate weapon that nearly destroyed the region, but was his kingdom originally located in Geosenge Town where the weapon is being held? We weren't ever told about it, were we? The heart of Kalos might be Lumiose City since it's the largest city in the region and is literally smack-dab in the middle, but... nothing significant happens there outside of it hosting Team Flare's hideout. Terminus Cave where Zygarde sleeps may be the actual heart of the region, but it's so neglected both in-game and meta. Why was Zygarde situated there in the first place if it's just a coal mine? What makes it so special?

Alola has the guardian deities on each island in which each island has its own little history, and in Vast Poni Canyon lies the Altar of the Sunne/Moone, that's how you get to summon Lunala or Solgaleo depending on the version. Perhaps that's the heart of the region--but nah, let's not focus on that, we gotta restore the balance of the Pokémon world by entering the Ultra Beasts' dimension.

Galar has... uh... actually I don't know since I haven't been keeping up with the region. Like far as I know, there may be two areas of significance, one that's in the main game that I guess is near your hometown(?), and the other is the Crown Tundra further up north. Though I guess the heart of the region is Eternatus itself which sleeps underneath Hammerlocke, which is I think the oldest city in the region just from some quick searching. And it's technically in the center of the linear region.

But otherwise... I couldn't tell you the lore of the regions past Unova (and that's barely). I don't know if Game Freak approached the later regions the same way as with the Japanese-inspired regions, but could've fooled me otherwise since it feels like they were taking the backseat compared to Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh.

I want to counterargue this, but first I'd need to figure out what exactly you mean/want when you look at these things.

I mean, for example in your mention of hoenn you don't mention meteor falls or any of the regi's locations, one of which is called the ancient tomb, and all of which are apparently absent of info except 'braille'. You say that the altar of the moone/sunne isn't made to seem important when not only is there a massive canyon to navigate before it, but the area leading up to it is the Dragon Trial. You say you do nothing significant in Lumiose while conveniently forgetting not only that the professor of the region lives there, and you visit it multiple times, and that it's right near the Pokemon League, the Castle, the postgame quests are there...

I don't know what you want from these locations, and I feel like you don't either. What exactly are you looking for here?

 

[SnowBall]

Galar has the mural on Stow-on-Side that hides the statues that details the lore of the region. Alongside Hammerlocke it could be considered part of the “heart” of Galar.

I don’t remember Kalos and Alola much since it has been ages since I played XY and SuMo but I just recently replayed the gen 5 games so its lore is fresh on my mind. A lot of it is hidden around and requires you to seek it out yourself, from the legendary trios outside of the dragons to the Abyss Ruins. Unova dials back on the creation myths compared to Hoenn and especially Sinnoh. I actually found it a bit of a breath of fresh air after Sinnoh goes a bit overboard with its creation myths with the main Trio being close to Pokegods.

Unova is very much reminiscent of how Kanto deals with its lore and legendaries. In the latter region the legendary birds are treated as nothing more than urban legends and the origins of Mew and Mewtwo are regulated to a series of diaries in the Pokemon Mansion. Sometimes it is better to have more grounded lore where the legendaries are simply very powerful Pokemon instead of world creating monsters.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I want to counterargue this, but first I'd need to figure out what exactly you mean/want when you look at these things.

As in the concept of building a region around a centralized lore?

I mean, for example in your mention of hoenn you don't mention meteor falls or any of the regi's locations, one of which is called the ancient tomb, and all of which are apparently absent of info except 'braille'.

The Regis are important to Hoenn lore, but they're more like side-quests compared to the fate of the world's balance hanging on fighting either Groudon or Kyogre in the Hall of Origins (R/S) or waking Rayquaza at Sky Pillar, and their ruins are scattered throughout Hoenn more like a... I guess central nervous system than the heart itself. Meteor Falls is a cool place and it's important to the story, but I don't know how it fits in the lore of Hoenn outside of it believing to be where Solrock and Lunatone landed from a meteor shower in the area. Honestly don't get why or how it is Team Magma/Aqua (but mainly Magma) plans to use it to make Mt. Chimney erupt like wut? Couldn't they just set up explosives or something to trigger it?

The Regi trio got expanded upon a bit in Gen IV with Regigigas suggesting they may not have originated directly from Hoenn but somehow ended up there in ancient times. Think they do Regigigas' bidding or something canonically.

You say that the altar of the moone/sunne isn't made to seem important when not only is there a massive canyon to navigate before it, but the area leading up to it is the Dragon Trial.

I forget, what's the significance of the Trials to Alolan lore? That's how you unlock more Z-Moves, which are Alola-exclusive, but no one seems to understand where Z-Moves come from and all we have to go off of it is Kukui's theory which I think remained a theory to the end.

You say you do nothing significant in Lumiose while conveniently forgetting not only that the professor of the region lives there, and you visit it multiple times, and that it's right near the Pokemon League, the Castle, the postgame quests are there...

It's been ages since I last played Y, but what does all of that have to do with expanding upon the lore of Kalos? The concept of Kalos I think was built around the war and ultimate weapon, but you don't get that lore in Lumiose. If anything, I think Kalos' lore is one of the weakest in Pokémon since you don't follow up on it (thanks to how they fucked over Zygarde), and far as I can tell, you are never told where Yvetal and Xerneas originally dwell or hibernate at. Team Flare just so happens to have their cocoons in their possession when you first encounter the box-art Legendaries.

A lot of it is hidden around and requires you to seek it out yourself, from the legendary trios outside of the dragons to the Abyss Ruins. Unova dials back on the creation myths compared to Hoenn and especially Sinnoh. I actually found it a bit of a breath of fresh air after Sinnoh goes a bit overboard with its creation myths with the main Trio being close to Pokegods.

Ah, that's true. Think that's honestly the last time a Pokémon game doesn't try to hold your hand in explaining its lore as to allow the player to study the puzzle pieces for themselves. Unova's lore feels a lot like lost history since even though the ruins are known, researchers don't know the significance of them. It almost seems like only the folks of Opelucid City know of Unova's past since it's passed down through folklore (there might be one more town that does, too, but I can't think of it), but it's still always passed off as legend.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

You know how if you hold a cat for too long, they may fidget around to be let down? I like to call that "Struggle Bug".