Police to announce arrest in Delphi murders Monday, suspect identified - 10/31 10am Eastern (Links)

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DELPHI, Ind. (WLS) -- Indiana State Police are expected to release more details Monday morning about an arrest in the 2017 murder of two girls in Delphi

Police are expected to name the suspect during a news conference in Delphi at 9 a.m. Central Time.

Residents told ABC7 they've interacted with the suspect multiple times and said the individual reportedly worked at a local pharmacy.

Sources tell ABC's Indianapolis affiliate a person has been arrested in connection with the murders.

"The state police never really discussed details on what was found at the scene, but the belief all along is that there was at least some sort of genetic material," Brad Garrett, ABC News contributor and former FBI agent. "Clearly they have something that links him to the crime."

The case has been shrouded in mystery since February 2017 when 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German seemingly disappeared after going for a hike. Their bodies were found the next day.

"How did this come to light almost five years after this crime was committed?" Garret said. "Something broke in recent days, at least to the point that it gave them enough probable cause and evidence to arrest this new person."

The girls' killer was able to avoid capture, even with thousands of tips coming in to police and despite one of the teens, Libby, taking this grainy video the day of their disappearance showing a man walking towards the girls.

Authorities have said he may be the killer. Libby also captured a chilling recording, thought to be the man's voice.


Libby's family reacted to the update expected later Monday. Her sister Kelsi tweeted, "just know how grateful I am for all of you."

Just know how grateful I am for all of you. No comments for now, any questions please refer to the Carroll county prosecutors office. There is tentatively a press conference Monday at 10am. We will say more then. Today is the day%uD83D%uDC9C
%u2014 Kelsi German (@libertyg_sister) October 28, 2022
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If anyone was wondering about Kegan Kline, the pedo whose catfishing account was one of the last to talk to one of the girls online before they were killed, his appeal was denied.



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Judge Gull will not suppress Richard Allen's confessions nor the evidence taken from his home.



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Judge says the defense isn't to mention that the crime scene looks like a ritual sacrifice even though it absolutely looks like what a bunch of small town Hoosiers would do if they were trying to larp as totally badass Pagans out innawoods.



I can't help but feel that they really want to close this case, pin it 100% on the guy they have in custody and never speak of this again regardless of the truth.
I kinda hope Richard Allen is guilty, and is the only one involved, AND that there's irrefutable evidence of it, otherwise there are a lot of people out that way that are getting away with something, and they will do it again.
 
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The Judean People's Front said:
I kinda hate that I find the Odinist stuff fascinating. I don't really believe some redneck Odinist cult killed them, but I am so very curious about the actualities of the crime scene.
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The scene seems to be corroborated as arranged in ritual style but I assure you modern Odinists are a bunch of flaming fairies with hammer necklaces. I don’t think it was a ritual killing personally, just set up to look like one.

I don’t know if it was Richard Allen who did it but there seems to be a lot of circumstantial evidence against him. If it weren’t for the judge acting shady as hell I would be ready to nail the guy to a cross.
 
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Oh I agree. It's never a mannequin and it's never a ritual cult murder. I am more interested interested in knowing what the significance was to the killer(s). Was it straight-up just a red herring or did it have personal significance? We're they attempting to frame someone? Did the symbolism actually make any sense/communicated something or was it just a visual approximation?

I said this before, but I want to see the crime scene. I don't want to see dead kids - but I'd be very interested in heavily redacted photos or drawings (I've seen a couple drawings, but unverified afaik). I know this info is likely out there because there's a fairly rabid online presence of true crime hobbyists who post about it constantly - but it's such a SLOG to try to parse through all the junk info and speculation to find out what the actualities of the crime were.
 
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The Judean People's Front said:
I said this before, but I want to see the crime scene. I don't want to see dead kids - but I'd be very interested in heavily redacted photos or drawings (I've seen a couple drawings, but unverified afaik).
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Drawings that are, from what I've heard from people who have seen the original pictures, accurate, can be found on True Crime Design's community page-
https://archive.ph/Uy8RG archive won't show the pictures but I tried anyway.
https://ghostarchive.org/archive/oRkkI even Ghost Archive has failed me. sigh

A description of the crime scene was given in a Franks Motion filed last year, I posted about it but the link I gave isn't good anymore, dangit.

Richard Allen's lawyers filing a notice of appeal that might delay the trial.

The court does NOT want to hear about anything that it's 100% "blame Richard Allen."
If he isn't guilty? Don't want to hear it. If someone else is practically bragging about doing it? Don't want to hear it.
I hope he's guilty of something, just so it doesn't look like they're putting someone through hell just to cover for the rest of 'em.
Odinists? Vinlanders Social Club? Shh, that shit's secret.
 
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FatalTater said:
Drawings that are, from what I've heard from people who have seen the original pictures, accurate, can be found on True Crime Design's community page-
https://archive.ph/Uy8RG archive won't show the pictures but I tried anyway.
https://ghostarchive.org/archive/oRkkI even Ghost Archive has failed me. sigh

A description of the crime scene was given in a Franks Motion filed last year, I posted about it but the link I gave isn't good anymore, dangit.

Richard Allen's lawyers filing a notice of appeal that might delay the trial.

The court does NOT want to hear about anything that it's 100% "blame Richard Allen."
If he isn't guilty? Don't want to hear it. If someone else is practically bragging about doing it? Don't want to hear it.
I hope he's guilty of something, just so it doesn't look like they're putting someone through hell just to cover for the rest of 'em.
Odinists? Vinlanders Social Club? Shh, that shit's secret.
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If the court won't allow his defense to even bring up alternate theories of the crime, all it is doing is setting up his appeal for him. The state will get its guilty verdict and he'll get life without parole and in five years we'll be right back where we are now when the appellate court says the original trial judge got it wrong and the state needs to do it again.
 
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FatalTater said:
Drawings that are, from what I've heard from people who have seen the original pictures, accurate, can be found on True Crime Design's community page-
https://archive.ph/Uy8RG archive won't show the pictures but I tried anyway.
https://ghostarchive.org/archive/oRkkI even Ghost Archive has failed me. sigh

A description of the crime scene was given in a Franks Motion filed last year, I posted about it but the link I gave isn't good anymore, dangit.

Richard Allen's lawyers filing a notice of appeal that might delay the trial.

The court does NOT want to hear about anything that it's 100% "blame Richard Allen."
If he isn't guilty? Don't want to hear it. If someone else is practically bragging about doing it? Don't want to hear it.
I hope he's guilty of something, just so it doesn't look like they're putting someone through hell just to cover for the rest of 'em.
Odinists? Vinlanders Social Club? Shh, that shit's secret.
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Hey Tater, I would be really curious to hear what you find compelling and what isn't. You've obviously followed this closer than most, seem to have a pretty open mind, and most importantly, are a Farmer rather than a Redditard (who are the loudest about their opinions).

I was pretty invested for the first three to fourish years and then life happened and now, like I noted, Reddit has shit all over this case to the point where it's really hard for someone stepping back into it to figure out what is a dead-end personal axe to grind and what are genuinely interesting out-of-the-box theories.

Obviously feel free to tell me to take a flying leap, but knowing you as a poster I'm camp "tell us a story, Tater."
 
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Lawyer Nik Starow does videos on the Delphi case. He's very good and watchable, with a very cute cat.
I think this one is his most recent.
 
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I can try. lol
There's a lot to sort through, and my poor blood pressure does not like it.
I've posted a lot of articles and videos in this thread already.

There are a ton of videos out there about Odinist rituals. Usually it's just goobers dressed in Viking outfits making little altars and lighting fires in the woods, maybe chanting or drinking out of a chalice, whatever. Watch a few and get an idea of what they might be doing.
Then imagine that a group doing that stuff might decide to go the extra mile and offer up a couple kids.
That is what I think happened.
A lot of the guys involved in Odinism are also white supremacist gang members. One of the murdered girls' mom dated a non-white guy. Perhaps the locals wanted to send her a message, and that's why they chose who they did for their sacrifice.
I hear people saying that no one knew the girls were going to be at the park that day and I wonder how loudly they talk to each other and to the sister who drove them there, and who might have been in earshot of their plans.
Small town after all.

Some of the same names come up in another crime in that area where a black family's house went on fire and four kids were killed. People with eyes to see have suspicions but of course no one was ever convicted. (The Flora fire, plenty of videos about it too.)

This is probably just schizoposting but it's what I got to offer right now.

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I found an archive link to the page with the drawings of the crime scene on True Crime Design's community page
 
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A description of the crime scene was given in a Franks Motion filed last year, I posted about it but the link I gave isn't good anymore, dangit.
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I found a link (a) to a copy from reddit (a). Attached it to this post.

edit: Here's the direct link (a) to the pdf on the site they used.
 

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This case is irritating. I sit and think, could one guy have done the thing? And sure I guess he could.
A single man with a gun could have taken two girls into a wooded area, killed them, re-dressed one of them, put a few limbs over the bodies, and walked away. In broad daylight, with no lookout. I mean, it's a pretty big area and people tend to live inside their own heads nowadays. I suppose he could have done it and not been noticed.

The information that is straight from the source and not filtered through reddit and/or dramawhore true crime podcasters is hard to find all in one place. People kept deleting shit and I imagine a lot are afraid to speak now.

Sleuth Intuition did an interview with Patrick Westfall, one of the initial suspects. Not exactly a lot of high intellect on display but interesting nonetheless.
Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoiqDg4q39s
Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONgNREsd9F0

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Prosecutor objects to Defense's request for appeal about evidence

John Kelly Profiler has some interesting Delphi content
 
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FatalTater said:
This case is irritating. I sit and think, could one guy have done the thing? And sure I guess he could.
A single man with a gun could have taken two girls into a wooded area, killed them, re-dressed one of them, put a few limbs over the bodies, and walked away. In broad daylight, with no lookout. I mean, it's a pretty big area and people tend to live inside their own heads nowadays. I suppose he could have done it and not been noticed.

The information that is straight from the source and not filtered through reddit and/or dramawhore true crime podcasters is hard to find all in one place. People kept deleting shit and I imagine a lot are afraid to speak now.

Sleuth Intuition did an interview with Patrick Westfall, one of the initial suspects. Not exactly a lot of high intellect on display but interesting nonetheless.
Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoiqDg4q39s
Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONgNREsd9F0
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Yeah, one person definitely could get away with that in the woods. Murderers have done tons of shit for longer than you'd expect without anyone seeing, because it was out in the woods. Once they were officially out of the park area in the other side of the bridge, and he ordered them down the hill and they crossed the creek, they were in the middle of nowhere.
 
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FatalTater said:
This case is irritating. I sit and think, could one guy have done the thing? And sure I guess he could.
A single man with a gun could have taken two girls into a wooded area, killed them, re-dressed one of them, put a few limbs over the bodies, and walked away. In broad daylight, with no lookout. I mean, it's a pretty big area and people tend to live inside their own heads nowadays. I suppose he could have done it and not been noticed.

The information that is straight from the source and not filtered through reddit and/or dramawhore true crime podcasters is hard to find all in one place. People kept deleting shit and I imagine a lot are afraid to speak now.

Sleuth Intuition did an interview with Patrick Westfall, one of the initial suspects. Not exactly a lot of high intellect on display but interesting nonetheless.
Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoiqDg4q39s
Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONgNREsd9F0
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I've always been of the impression that it was at least two guys. Probably only two, just because the bigger the group of killers, the higher likelihood something would have leaked.

I can see Richard Allen being Bridge Guy, but it's really difficult to feel solid on that. I almost think that the video and audio released may have hindered the case rather than helped (beyond it spawning a very devoted following of true crime fans because it was "ruddy mysterious"). I also have been of the impression that the murder location was meant to be elsewhere, only because crossing the river in the bulky pants Bridge Guy was wearing is a dumbfuck move, and either they were really that stupid to wear what looks like jeans into the water in Indiana in February or the girls ran and a chase ensued. Shoes lost in the water. I've also wondered if clothes were lost as they were grabbed at and slipped out of. My feeling has always been that a struggle happened near/in the river/creek.

The body positioning and such does really make me think it was more than one dude just because moving dead bodies is hard work.

Gotta say that I honestly think that the branches were just to try and hide the bodies. It's hard for me to imagine a couple dudes doing everything noted at the crime scene in the time period we're talking about, and I think maybe the lack of clothes on Libby, and Abby's cleanliness could be attributed to other circumstances. I think if they'd had more time before searchers were out and too close for comfort, the scene would have looked different. Just a gut feeling I guess after years of true crime reading.

Also, one thing that has persistently nagged at me is the DNA evidence. I remember from the DTH pod I think that they said they had DNA but "not what you'd think" - ie, not semen or blood? I've heard the human poop speculations and animal hair speculations. What's you guy's take on that?
 
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There are loads of people out there willing to insist it was Richard Allen alone, but very few that will put as much energy into explaining why it couldn't have been several creeps converging to do the thing.
Perhaps a guy took them from the bridge, met up with a guy at the creek, maybe there was another one or two at the Logan property.
These guys would have had experience with hunting, so would have known how to blend in with the environment and they would have been in an area without many people.
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Also, one thing that has persistently nagged at me is the DNA evidence. I remember from the DTH pod I think that they said they had DNA but "not what you'd think" - ie, not semen or blood? I've heard the human poop speculations and animal hair speculations. What's you guy's take on that?
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Not sure what to think about that, unless they mean Libby's blood on the tree.
In the Patrick Westfall interview he talks about them taking DNA samples and he was wondering about why, if they had DNA "the hell you doing with Richard Allen in jail if you're still looking for other peoples' DNA, that must mean you have DNA that his didn't match" and this man is an idiot but it seems like a valid question.
 
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I have a theory that all the odinist stuff with the crime scene was caused by third parties post mortem. Can you imagine the outrage if it was learned a bunch of tweeking larpers messed with and moved dead bodies in the woods? Would explain some of the brazen social media and interrogation statements. I have also never seen anyone touch on this.....or maybe i missed it.
 
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Oh look, a new motion by the defense for the judge to deny!



Defense wants to take the jury to the area where the bodies were found. Presumably so they can picture with clarity the job it would be for one man to do alone what the prosecution claims he did.
 
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