Feedback Poll: Self-Promotion

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Allow self-promotion in relevant discussion?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,401 80.1%

  • No

    Votes: 598 19.9%
  • Total voters
    2,999
I'm With Chris said:
Create a board - charge a fee. Remove all promotion from other boards. The fee makes them think twice before posting low effort, trolling promotions.
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Hoenstly, with the possibility of the Farms having an actual bank account this isn't nearly as retarded as it seems. I mean, people pay money to post dumb shit on Craigslist, so why not the Farms? If a designated shitting street is created then I don't see a problem with it. Failing that, as long as they keep to relevant threads, disclose any relationship they have to the project, and don't spam the fuck out of threads with their stuff (taglines/signatures notwithstanding), then that's fine I think.

Ultimately, if spam becomes a real problem, people will just take matters into their own hands and head over to their project to call them niggerfaggots, so the problem should largely take care of itself.
 
Procrastinhater said:
As long as they're not spamming it.
Shit why not charge them for ad space on the front page?

Has to be a limit though, as long as its not constant faggot YouTubers or other retards spamming their bullshit shitting up the place, it's harmless. Could be good for the site.

As long as its not Kinochet.
And if they make money you get a cut.
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I mean, if we're going to go that far, insofar as the Farms can take money soon-ish, then offer a support tier where you can post a banner on the front page. No, not banner advertising, but banner shitposting. So someone could take over the front page with a decent sized banner of dickbutt or something equally stupid.
 
It kind of breaks the culture of being anonymous.

But if somebody is self aware enough to promote their product in parts of the website where that product isn’t annoying and cringe then why not?

If you’re talking comics and some dude is like hey I wrote a comic and he’s not being a retard about it. What’s the harm? Free speech above all.
 
eh.
Off the top of my head:
  • Self-Promotion violates the site rule of not posting personal information, however that is not a denied-by-restriction rule but a denied-by-consequences rule. Anyone is free to post personal information about themselves, just be willing to accept that means other members will be using the information you provided to track down other information you would rather not be made available.
  • Self-promotion can get annoying, but existing policies and jannie habits on spam posts should suffice. It might be worth considering having a dedicated forum for self-promotion, or adding a purple triangle to repeated self promoters
  • The site could benefit from having self-promotion permission be a paid service, as long as it doesn't get too annoying
 
This is an easy one. If they're not being annoying and are advertising something that we like, that directly or indirectly benefits the forum or its users, then we tolerate it. If it's annoying or promoting something that we don't like, that directly or indirectly is a detriment to the forum or its users, then we nuke it. Good things are good, bad things are bad. Simple as.

Things aren't equal, so there's no sensible way to make hard and fast rules for them. Well, you can use heuristics like phenotypes to make the need for exceptions minimal, but that's not quite applicable here, in the usual sense at least.
 
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So long as it's respectful, relevant, & forthright I don't see why not. Like you've said before, moderation is fundamentally human so if it's cancer, nuke it from orbit. But if it sits right in the stomach I see no harm in the off self plug. Maybe relegating them to a thread will be viable should they get too common or end up throwing off threads too much.
 
Id say as long as it remains as unintrusive as possible and is related to the topic where its posted, why not. Maybe with the caveat that its fine as long as its a small project unrelated to any known or big business, but not sure if that would be a meaningful distinction to make.
 
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Wow, that's an interesting question, Null. Here, let me go ahead and link you to my 2 hour YouTube video in which I will discuss this topic. Don't forget to check out my Patreon, and my wife's Only Fans in my signature. Let's also talk about your troubling conspiracy theories about Stripe payment services and world banks. While I heavily disagree with what happened to you, I think it's a minor error in an otherwise great system that gives people like me such opportunities to make a career out of reading Kiwi Farms all day, and making advertiser friendly content.
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The moment you allow people to monetize on the farms is the moment the farms will turn into YouTube post monetization. You will start with a vocal minority of people that will tolerate largely hated groups like trannies, not because they believe it, but because it's advertiser friendly. Then, slowly at first, the attitude on the farms will begin to change, and new members to the forum will seep in, driven by the idea of profit, and self-censor, hoping not to get cancelled. Then, eventually the farms will become Reddit.
 
Corageous bastard. I admire the balls to post one's kikestarter on KF.
I think you'll have to create a set of rules on WHAT can be advertised. If it's some marketer for a large company thinking he'll be hip if he does an AMA on le edgy site, definitely needs to be snipped in the bud. If it's an actual grassroots thing by some small fry who obviously can't afford actual marketing or ads? Yeah, let them do it, especially if they think their shit will appeal to kiwis. If small creators get curbstomped at every occasion they dare shill their thing, we won't have anyone new (regardless if they are aligned with KF) achieving success.
 
Without any quality control it will be a mess, and I don't think the website needs quality control for commercial projects. However, allowing advertising something from long-time posters as rare exceptions - maybe?
 
I think self-promotion could be permissible, provided it's well-moderated. I agree with other posters' suggestions of it being a paid-for service, there's nothing inherently wrong with the Farms seeking out another modest source of income (I've no idea how much it costs to run this, or how on earth you afford to do so).
 
If it's isolated to a board I think it would make sense. I'd definitely browse a board to see Kiwi users promoting their projects. If I were to think of a perfect system to implement it without it being an issue or impacting anyone else: A user could feature a post of theirs on their profile, users looking to self promote would do so with their project pitch posted in the self promo board. That way if they're talking in any relevant thread and someone happens to look at their profile they can see what they're working on/promoting without it derailing a thread or feeling pushed.
 
You're wise for trying to stay on top of this, Josh. I've, even in my own personal life, been seeing a massive uptick in independent business ventures by individuals who, seemingly, "cannot be bought", and it would be a shame to walk away from that, especially if it can be to your benefit later on down the line.

If the current psyop by TPTB is to ease up on all the wokeshit, then I don't see why that couldn't be turned around to benefit the site in some way.
 
30+GameOvers said:
If you want an example of a self promotion done right, I will direct you to @nidalnijmgames and the thread on his game.
He did not make the thread itself, but joined the farms to answer any questions and provide updates on his game. Due to the nature of his game, he would be hard pressed to do so anywhere else in this political climate without being censored or judged. As far as I know, he doesn't shill his game outside his thread and he doesn't make a nuisance of himself, in fact he's a very nice guy to talk to and he loves talking about topics other than just his game directly. When he does, he gives updates, sometimes behind the scenes sort of stuff, the kind of things you want to hear from a game dev, nothing heavy handed to force you to buy his product. I am not sure if his game is a financial success or if this thread on the farms helped him any, but I don't think it hurt anyone in the process, either. Plus, his game is pretty based, just as advertised.

If people like Nidal want to come here to promote their business or products and they're not obnoxious about it, I don't see why you shouldn't give them a chance. Some might have nowhere else to go without censorship, others might want to find self-minded people that they might find here, others want to promote something that only those who follow specific lolcows or communities like the sektur would care about. Naturally, this would be the place to do so.

This isn't an issue I feel very strongly about either way, and like I said it should be allowed strictly so we can judge each person on individual bases, depending on what they're selling or promoting and what their motives are.
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Hello friends. Sorry for the delay on answering you. Yes, I am very happy and glad for being a part of the Kiwifarms Community. I enjoy being here and talking about my game and other topics, whenever an opportunity appears. I enjoy here because as you may know, many, thousands of game forums banned me and deleted the thread on my game for political reasons and fear of backlash. To be honest, my game's development is going very slow, because, as you may know, Fursan al-Aqsa was not a comercial success to the point that I can earn my living out of its sales on Steam. Praise be to Allah (God), it gives me about a monthly salary (in Brazilian Currency) and it helps to pay some bills. But the whole purpose of Fursan al-Aqsa, as you all know, was not meant to be a commercial success, but a game to make the morons and zionists cry and seethe :lit: and this Mission was SUCCESSFULLY ACCOMPLISHED.

And contrary of what some idiots say, I did not find here except nice people who respect me, respect my values and enjoy some open minded conversations on many topics. I see sometimes some very HOT topics and Debates :lit:, however this is not of my concern LOL. I do respect other people's opinions here, even though I may not agree with all your points of view on other topics (even though we share too many values). But, I am very happy and proud of being a Kiwifarmer 😎
 
I said I would think about it earlier in the thread, and I've thought about it.
- Restrict all self-promotion to a single thread, as many others have mentioned. Whether you should break multiple projects into separate threads or keep them all in a single artist thread should be handled on a case-by-case basis. If someone sketches then it wouldn't make sense for each sketch to be a thread, and it may not even make sense for an individual illustrator to have a thread. But if someone makes a movie it may make sense for that single movie to be its own thread if you follow every step of the production.
- Each thread must either be made by someone else or give something back to the community. If a creator doesn't make a thread for their project then they can contribute as much or as little as they want to is, since clearly people finds it interesting enough even without the creator contributing. But if someone was making a video game and they posted their own thread, then they would have to post progress pictures as they make the video game, answer questions about how they did stuff, maybe even write a tutorials or two. If someone makes a thread for their game but they only post finished or nearly finished shots, ask for trivial feedback, and won't engage with anyone posting in their thread, send the it to the shadow realm.
 
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