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I got Pragmata a few days ago and I am enjoying it so far, the gameplay is familiar but the hacking and shooting adds a lot of depth, I also like the interactions between Hugh and Diana. Great game so far. Sad that the discourse of the game is about whether it appeals to pedophiles or not.
 
This thread might as well be called Pragmata community discussion. I don’t think I’ve even seen any discussion on the game mechanics or anything.
I saw Dunkey's vid and the game looks pretty competent. I guess the child helps you hack enemies that you're fighting? He didn't really go into how the mechanic works on a gameplay level so I only know what I could glean from watching him use it, but I can see how having that additional element in the core gameplay loop of shooting shit would be refreshing, and maybe even give you a pretty satisfying increase to the skill ceiling if you can get good enough at hacking while you move and shoot. The movement itself also just looked good.

I'm not going to deny that they're jerking off pedophiles, but I think it's also possible for that to go over someone's head. It seems like the child droid's purpose is computer interfacing; she's essentially R2D2. Well, there is an obvious benefit to giving a utility droid a compact, agile humanoid frame. Is there an obvious benefit to making it chase cats and almost fall off a cliff, or look like a little girl at all? I doubt there's a good, internally consistent one in universe.

What about in our universe? What's the benefit of making a character like this. Well, obviously one benefit is jerking off pedophiles, but I'm more interested in how this works for normal people playing the game. They've created this somewhat inconsistent character that is both competent and purpose-built, and also mimics childlike innocence and, well, stupidity. As Null points out, this creates a simulacrum of parenthood with all the difficulties sanded off. If she's always perfectly competent and obeys all instructions instantly during gameplay, then a cutscene where she gets distracted and gets herself into trouble is like a little play the characters put on before moving on with the actual story.

That being said, games where you "realistically" have to interface with an AI modeled to have its own ideas and goals are notoriously frustrating; those have intense, but niche appeal. And even if it has a more realistic depiction of a child, the ultimate message of TLOU is that the wages of parenthood is getting murdered by trannies. I can grant that there are reasons that this popcorn entertainment doesn't have to be a realistic parenthood simulator, even if it's using cheap tricks to make you care through your innate parent instincts. There's even some wiggle room for people to just like the doll-like and unrealistic design without playing with one hand.

I guess my take is that you don't necessarily have to feel bad about liking the game, although you should try to recognize how the child is a mentally unhealthy superstimulus even if you're not jerking off to her; it's using cheap tricks to fool you into caring, but that's all modern media anyway. Capcom should still feel bad about making it, at the very least their marketing decisions. I can see how if you just enjoyed the game and then you see people talking about how it's for pedos, that would make you upset because it's like they're saying you're a pedo. Sure, you could easily enjoy the game and not be a pedo, but if you felt like the game was meaningful to you or touching, it's probably worth interrogating the fact that you're engaging so deeply with something that doesn't fundamentally make sense; if, you know, you are capable of introspection and imagining not having eaten breakfast. If you're the kind of guy who just likes shooting the robots and thinks that looking at the fake child's crayon drawings is gay, you probably don't have to worry too much.

I don't play any of these games btw, and you guys are all cucks for doing so. I'm glad Kingdumb Cum rammed a black cock up your asses.
 
The japanese kawaii style of acting is weird and off-putting in many cases but I'd hazard away from condemning it all as pedobait. Though I do understand the impulse.

The reality of pedos is that they will latch on to any child thing or character because they're deranged perverts, the crab song is a good example of that, the crying emoji is another. People using the crying emoji aren't pedophiles, but pedophiles are using the crying emoji to identify each other, same goes for pizza, calling something cute and funny, or the dozens of other perfectly innocuous phrases and images that us as normal people now know about because of the internet.
Before the widely spread around FBI symbol list I had no idea that butterflies and triangle or spirals were anything but exactly what they are, butterflies and bus seat fabric patterns. I'm guessing the same stand for, hopefully, everyone else here. There was a moment after I saw the list that I went crazy looking for it everywhere, some places I saw it like a the weird disney cartoon about farting lions, and it was obvious, but most places it was just a pattern to fill space.
 
What do you mean what do I want? Isn't it obvious? I'm baiting you into defending a game designed by pedophiles to attract pedophiles. You take a big L every time you do it
You dont have to bait me to do anything bc I dont believe the game was designed by pedos anymore than your favorite anime is. As stated before I dont care what the Fandom does
I'm more interested in how this works for normal people
In my opinion it only makes sense
for humans to create androids that look like perfect humans. She wants to see the earth and had she been adult looking i likely wouldn't have cared as much. It made the ending more satisfying
 
Of course. That's because the game is marketed around lolicon and people are playing it to see a little girl who's actually a 9000 year old robot dance around and "be cute" for their gratification. People talk about what's front and center in the product. Pretty simple
Can people not play the game cause they, I don't know, want to play a cool game with good gameplay?
 
Besides what do you people want exactly?
You to leave the forum.

Should game developers be banned from having made up kids in their games?
That's not the issue you're arguing with air.

Do you think her being dressed differently would have stopped freaks from making loli drawings?
You're missing the actual point. Changing the outfit would not stop dedicated Loli artists; DUH! That's obvious and beside the point. What matters are the facial features, mannerisms, proportions, art direction and an overall presentation that clearly lean into that aesthetic.

The marketing, the way this controversy is playing out, and the company's own history all function as a pretty loud dog whistle factory. They're not naive. They know exactly which crowd this is appealing to: the one that will buy the game specifically to extract models, mod it heavily , or use the assets for explicit content elsewhere. This isn't accidental design or innocent cute girl styling; it's targeted.

It wouldn't and it would be better for your mental health if you didnt seek that shit out.
You almost sound like you're speaking from first hand experience with that 'just don't seek it out' line. I'll pass your salient advice to stop noticing the patterns, stop pointing out the dog whistles, and definitely stop documenting the communities that lap this shit up; and yes, many of them overlap.

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So is there a lore reason Diddy Kong doesn't wear pants or shoes? Don't get me started on Tiny Kong and Dixie Kong the sickos at Nintendo know what they were doing. It's all very discouraging.
Those games weren't made by Nintendo, they were made by Rare. You know, the same people behind Banjo Kazooie.
 
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Man, developers can't win in 2026.

You either got people howling for your blood because you didn't let players sexualize the child looking robot enough, or they're howling for your blood because you obviously were making the child robot to be goonable.

I'd have hated to see you people if you were around for Small Wonder....
 
"You're a pedophile for enjoying the game!"
*wades through lolicon porn, associated accounts, commits to memory*
"See? All this stuff I'm looking at proves it!"
Careful, the last female Kiwi that was this retarded turned out to be a closeted lolicon who openly had a rape fetish (Meiwaku)
You dont have to bait me to do anything bc I dont believe the game was designed by pedos anymore than your favorite anime is. As stated before I dont care what the Fandom does
Oh look it's the guy who totally didn't care and couldn't care less... still here defending the game by gaslighting and downplaying evidence/ playing dumb - I thought you didn't care bro?
had she been adult looking i likely wouldn't have cared as much. It made the ending more satisfying
Please, keep telling us how much you truly do NOT care
Can people not play the game cause they, I don't know, want to play a cool game with good gameplay?
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Can people not play the game cause they, I don't know, want to play a cool game with good gameplay?
Im going to have to tell my sister to stop taking her little girls in public bc pedophiles might see them.
What matters are the facial features, mannerisms, proportions, art direction and an overall presentation that clearly lean into that aesthetic.
So her not being ugly and behaving like a child is pedophile aethetic....ok bro. Also witch hunt all you want but you arent making any difference. You are screaming into the void to make yourself feel important without actually doing anything. If you see what you believe to be pedos report them.
This isn't accidental design or innocent cute girl styling; it's targeted.
Until you can produce actual evidence of that its all just vibes.
the way this controversy is playing out,
It's playing out bc the Epstein Files have created a trend of bored self proclaimed pedophile hunters online who spend their days looking at horrible fetish art, getting mad about it, and then not doing anything but foaming at the mouth while calling everyone around them pedos.
You to leave the forum
Not happening. Maybe you can find some dog whistles by reading my posts backwards and turn me into the fbi. The game is fun. It's not geared towards pedos unless you are a pedo. Diana reminds me of my nieces who are around her age. Yes loli freaks will make weird art of it but im sure they do the same to the little girl in LazyTown and thats an actual kid.
 
The coping from defenders of this game only made me question this whole controversy more. It seems like they're quick to accuse anyone pointing out the obvious of being a pedophile themselves without engaging with any of the arguments being made. This is the most bizarre gaming controversy I've ever seen, and as an actual parent in real life im disturbed by those attempting to paint this as a "fatherhood simulator". It isn't. Its a pedobait loli simulator. The more they seethe, cry, and shout about how it isnt only convinces me moreso that this is the case.
 
The coping from defenders of this game only made me question this whole controversy more. It seems like they're quick to accuse anyone pointing out the obvious of being a pedophile themselves without engaging with any of the arguments being made. This is the most bizarre gaming controversy I've ever seen, and as an actual parent in real life im disturbed by those attempting to paint this as a "fatherhood simulator". It isn't. Its a pedobait loli simulator. The more they seethe, cry, and shout about how it isnt only convinces me moreso that this is the case.
I will admit that the people claiming this is a "fatherhood simulator" game and "feel like they want to have a child after playing this game" are the definition of goycattle, this game is all of the upsides of being a parent without any of the downsides
 
Janny Jewsh is complaining that hes openly sexually attracted to Diana. He went into detail on how hot they mader her (makeup, bare feet, detailed lips, etc.) it was honestly the biggest self report I've ever seen. And now he's on a ban spree like a redditor faggot or a discord pedophile. Then again he is into shotacon so maybe this was expected.
Faggot.
 
I will admit that the people claiming this is a "fatherhood simulator" game and "feel like they want to have a child after playing this game" are the definition of goycattle, this game is all of the upsides of being a parent without any of the downsides
The fact in the universe of this game, the character you play as isnt even the biological father of the "daughter" character, and that said daughter character is an android that you're supposed to treat like a little girl makes it all the worse to me. Games have had parent/child dynamics since forever, a recent example being God of War. Why didn't that game inspire these faggot losers to become fathers? Why is it specifically this game that motivating people to embrace "fatherhood"?

If they wanted this game to be about fatherhood and family they could've written Diana as a human child with magical powers or something who is the main characters biological daughter. Maybe her mother died and that motivates the main character to fight to death to keep his only child and memory of his wife alive. They could've written this any way they wanted, but of course these tiny dicked Jap pedophiles wanted to make a sci-fi version of The Beguiled.
 
they could've written Diana as a human child with magical powers or something
It's a sci fi game so why would they do that especially when its been done before? Also what does being the biological father have to do with anything? Its made clear in the beginning that the main character doesn't like clankers. He doesn't trust them. Later on while talking about wolves(she had been rambling about genetics and dna) he tells Diana that he was adopted so family is not always about genetic relations. The story is more about him getting over his initial negative views of androids/AI while feeling responsible for the one with him bc of how it looks and behaves.

I hope they turn it into a series so I can watch the seethe come and go in waves over the next decade.
 
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