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Using intersex folks in this way is kind of a shitty thing to do.
Professor WGA and Friends Guide to Science - How to counter the TransEthics, TransLifeLife and hack writers in the Rat King
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And those reports cited have been ripped apart in the scientific realm. Shitpost elsewhere.
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lol proof? I'd take Nature, a respected science journal over some rando on a milk forum
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I will!
Let's see here... This review describes disorders of sex development, prevalent in about 1% of the population. It goes on to describe some of the genes involved in sex determination, followed by post-natal hypospadias. There's also XY mosaicism caused by nondisjunction and chimeraism. It concludes with some of the issues that go into determining what should be used to determine a person's sex; anatomy, hormones, cells or chromosomes.
This seems to support that 99+% of people are well-matched between their physiological sex and their gender. With regards to the topic concerning the Rat King, I see no evidence that links any of these conditions to being transgender, especially not with the rapid onset we see in most trenders. At the risk of triggering you, these conditions are still classified as genetic disorders. For most people with disorders of sex development, the worst the suffer is infertility.
But hey, if you'd like to get your genome sequenced, by all means do so, so you can prove how special you are.
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Why to miss the point that our current definitions of male and male don't work like people think they do from reading their primary school science book, Biological sex is as much a social concept as race.
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Uh huh. So where do babies come from then? Our current definitions of male and male?
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Just leave the angry troon alone, kids. They hate their dick and want science not to tell them "yeah you might have mental issues".
Troon: intersex people don't have anything to do with the current trend of gender bending kids. We know when someone is intersex because they have fucked up genetic and medical problems across the board. And they've never been clamoring for a protected social class.
Troon: intersex people don't have anything to do with the current trend of gender bending kids. We know when someone is intersex because they have fucked up genetic and medical problems across the board. And they've never been clamoring for a protected social class.
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Lol if you guys are just gonna use "common sense" to deny scientific consensus then fine but don't pretend your any different from redneck climate change deniers
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I've put the troon on ignore. Trying to be a second rate Dynastia. And even Dynastia roasts this one high on petrol.
We'll resume programming soon.
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TWIN STUDIES MOTHERFUCKER Seriously, they're one of the biggest arguments against a biological basis for transgenderism and given infuriatingly low coverage in anti-troon circles. I'm no scientist, but doesn't it make sense that identical mantwins, were they trans, would have similarly identical girlbrains? And this could not be altered by social conditioning, since it would be biologically innate? Again, so simple a fucking dental student (and trust me, we're dumb as shit) could understand it.
Of course the BEST argument against troons is JUST FUCKING LOOK AT THEM, GOD DAMN but we live in clown world where people refuse to accept the blatantly obvious, so hard science spelling this shit out is much appreciated.
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Not really. Neurogenesis is really fucking complex. Our brains may have the same general structures, but there's considerable subtlety that separates one person's brain from another, even among identical twins. Some of these differences may be genetic, others environmental, others still influenced by internal factors that aren't hardcoded onto DNA. There are approximately 100 billion neutrons in the human brain, and 100 trillion synapses. How these become someone's personality is still very poorly understood. The list of what we don't know about the brain is a very long one, and that includes what drives sexual preferences and what we conceptualize as our gender.
Ironically, if there were some causal physiological feature for being transgender, not only would it would be a simple matter of testing for it, but it would also suggest the best possible method for treatment. This would be a huge win for the trans community, since now they can point at this and say it's not their fault, it's just their physiology.
Perhaps a better question to ask is: why? Why believe something that goes against the physical evidence in the mirror? Is it hormonal? Psychological? There are people out there who are "trans-abled", their dysphoria comes form having function limbs or eyes, and they want to be cured by maiming themselves. Their suffering is real, but where does it come from?
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What I meant to say was that troons are so obviously damaged that the casual observer shouldn't take them seriously or accept their desires as anything other than delusions. This used to be the case up until 15-20 years ago when the gay movement opened the floodgates to tranny-acceptance with its overall DON'T JUDGE attitude towards alternative lifestyles. The liberal academia/media/entertainment industry of today ate it up and indoctrinated the populace with it, leading to the emperor-has-no-clothes situation we're in today.
You do make a very good point though. I think the greatest tragedy here is that nobody is really interested in sussing out the cause of trannies, which could lead to actual treatments. Instead, most researchers on the subject focus on normalizing the self-destructive tendencies these people suffer from. We shouldn't enable people who think they're Napoleon, we should treat them, right?
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There's also the question of how do we treat them. For whatever reason, their suffering is real. Throwing a bucket of cold water on them and saying, "No, you're wrong!" is inhumane. Right now, HRT is the best we've got. Maybe it's because looking at other options is politically unpopular. This isn't a situation with a good option, only poor ones.
What I do take exception to is the use of identity as a moral bludgeon, wielded by bullies who get their rocks off by shaming people for innocuous slips of the tongue--or keyboard, as the case may be. That needs to be nipped in the bud.
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Where we differ is I think HRT is inhumane as well. It's essentially a prescription for mentally ill people to mutilate themselves, which is pretty barbaric imo, especially given the large portion that regret it. Their suffering is very real but we need to cure it, not just acquiesce to what makes them feel good at the time. Lobotomy used to be the best option for violent schizophrenics, but I would prefer to salvage the human being in there rather than destroy it further.
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Not necessarily. The gold standard of twin studies is monozygotic (identical) vs. dizygotic (fraternal), because in both cases, you have fetuses that experienced the same environment in the womb, so to some extent, that controls for only changing the genetics of one while the other is identical. Even so, identical genes are not always expressed identically, and it's always possible for one twin to suffer trauma not experienced by the other.
What's important is that if the identical twins share a trait significantly more often than fraternal twins, there's almost certainly some genetic component to the trait.
So for instance you have things like this, which show a pretty clear correlation between genetics and homosexuality.
Even the strongest correlation, though, between identical twins, is still only 52%. That indicates a strong but not necessarily controlling genetic element.
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Some of it may be the placebo effect, since they feel like taking female hormones makes them more female, as opposed to taking, say, an antidepressant.
Speaking of, can anyone get this out from behind a paywall?
Pharmacological treatment of paraphilias with a focus on antidepressants
This article reviews the advances in pharmacotherapy of paraphilias. Antiandrogen hormones, phenothiazines, and lithium therapy of paraphilias is briefly reviewed. Pharmacotherapy of paraphilias with serotonergic drugs such as fluoxetine, clomipramine, sertraline, and fluvoxamine is reviewed in detail. In addition, the use of buspirone hydrochloride in paraphilias is discussed. The final focus of the article is on the etiologic theories of paraphilias and some practical advice for the pharmacotherapy and management of paraphilias.
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But it's still not good. Putting people on a drug that at best causes fertility problems and irreversible changes in someone's body (just look at detransitioners, AKA the ugly secret of the Rat King), and at worst turns you into a goblinoid Danny-Devito looking character with emotional issues out the wazoo is not a very good solution. Psychotherapy should be the first, last, and best solution for this. Of course, HRT is infinitely preferable to people dosing themselves with black-market chinese 'mones that'll really fuck you up, so it's a mixed bag.
I find it really fascinating reading other online communities take on transtrenders, because they independently arrive at the same conclusions we do. Lots of parents out there are saying things like "my daughter was diagnosed with autism, and after a summer spent on tumblr, she suddenly came out as trans". They talk about tumblr and online trans groups like they are a cult, but they don't know the extent of it that we do.
In one story I just read, a daughter who was transitioning into a man suddenly became afraid to leave her house saying she was afraid for her life and that transphobes would attack her. The mom speculated it was something she was reading online, but didn't really know. I think we all know what kind of communities spread that sort of thing.
On the other hand, we see all the online stuff, but can only speculate if whatever trender cow "always felt like a boy" and what they are like irl. From what I've been reading that's far from the truth and they usually are people with lots of emotional problems, but gender isn't one, at least not until they start spending all their time on tumblr. The evil, transphobic parents tumblrinas always talk about are online themselves, talking about how they supported social transition, but felt medical transition was being rushed, felt that becoming trans was announced suddenly after long periods online, and how their kids have only gotten MORE depressed and fucked up since beginning transition.
Anyway, here are a couple of articles discussing gender identity that you all might like. https://sexandgenderintro.com/trans-issues-and-gender-identity/
http://thejungsoul.com/layersofmeaning/
In one story I just read, a daughter who was transitioning into a man suddenly became afraid to leave her house saying she was afraid for her life and that transphobes would attack her. The mom speculated it was something she was reading online, but didn't really know. I think we all know what kind of communities spread that sort of thing.
On the other hand, we see all the online stuff, but can only speculate if whatever trender cow "always felt like a boy" and what they are like irl. From what I've been reading that's far from the truth and they usually are people with lots of emotional problems, but gender isn't one, at least not until they start spending all their time on tumblr. The evil, transphobic parents tumblrinas always talk about are online themselves, talking about how they supported social transition, but felt medical transition was being rushed, felt that becoming trans was announced suddenly after long periods online, and how their kids have only gotten MORE depressed and fucked up since beginning transition.
Anyway, here are a couple of articles discussing gender identity that you all might like. https://sexandgenderintro.com/trans-issues-and-gender-identity/
http://thejungsoul.com/layersofmeaning/