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We Are The Witches said:
I was looking at additional ways of learning, has anyone tried the "ProgrammingBuddies" on Plebbit?

Looks like every now and then there are people/developers who offer themselves to teach volunteers for some reason, or would you just stick with resources online?
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I'm a first year student for an associate's degree in programming, I learned a lot on my own and I think that a really good way to get your own tutor is to get a distance formal education in an university or college, when you have a clear learning path it's easier to make sense of what you are learning (such as learning about hardware and operating systems, math for programmers and a programming language in parallel, they have synergy), and in this scenario you can take the classes whenever you want because it's online, you have teachers correcting your weekly assingments and giving you the study material, and you can ask questions to an actual expert on a forum or weekly meetings, so those weekly meetings and forums are to interact with a tutor. Being self taught is possible but it's harder, when it comes to my education I ask chatGPT to explain things to me all the time which works great.

What I suggested sounds unrealistic because formal education is expensive, so it sounds like I'm telling you to spend dozens of thousands of dollars, but that doesn't have to be the case if you look for the right place, I saw a lot of ads for University of the People years ago, I went to check it out just now and an associate's degree in Comp Sci is $160 per course, and you only pay when you take the test at the end of the semester, so what do you have to lose? Just join, take all the classes online, learn and at the end of the semester pay to take the test for that class, or don't if you don't want to, and learn on your own in parallel with Comp Sci.

Unintelligence Score said:
Official documentation are official guides are the best resource for learning a tool or a library. Internet searches and LLMs will most likely feed you strange fantasies that might technically compile and run, but are fucked in some fundamental way.
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The problem is that official documentation and guides are aimed at people that already know how to code, not at begginers, when I got the idea that I wanted to learn how to code I looked up C# in their official website because I thought it's the best way to learn, going at the source right? And I'm greeted by something such as: "C# is a statically typed, object oriented, multi-paradigm language in the .NET ecosystem executed by the CLR system, it features polymorphism, assynchronicity, and garbage collection with automatic memory management, it has metadata reflection and functional programming idioms such as lambda expressions".

And while I'm reading that I was thinking: "What the fuck did I just read?". So I looked up begginer friendly tutorials in places like W3schools.
 
Unintelligence Score said:
Are you still one of those old farts who writes C or C++ and feel like you've been missing out on all the supply chain vulnerabilities of modern programming languages?

Don't worry, randerson112 has created a cargo-like package manager for C/C++, so now you craft add --git soypackage or craft update and get immediately pwned like the cool kids do.
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You can use cmake to pull source from a git repo + commit hash or a URL using FetchContent. A dependency manager isn't that necessary unless you rely on libraries for everything. A lot of engineers want to make things more complicated than they need to be.

I've wasted hours of my life fighting with package managers (fuck you NPM). The only one that I've found works well is the Go package manager.
 
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SchizoDaemon said:
You can use cmake to pull source from a git repo + commit hash or a URL using FetchContent. A dependency manager isn't that necessary unless you rely on libraries for everything. A lot of engineers want to make things more complicated than they need to be.

I've wasted hours of my life fighting with package managers (fuck you NPM). The only one that I've found works well is the Go package manager.
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cmake's fetch feature is the biggest anti-feature of cmake, burn it with hellfire!
 

Is this guy on the money or is he full of shit? Is it actually true that Rust isn't memory safe at all?
 
MarvinTheParanoidAndroid said:

Is this guy on the money or is he full of shit? Is it actually true that Rust isn't memory safe at all?
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In theory, Rust protects against out-of-bounds memory accesses. In practice, the language is a straitjacket (or, given the sexual proclivities of the developers, a gimp suit) and every program of appreciable size and complexity has a fairly large amount of its code tagged as "unsafe" which, among other things, turns of bounds-checking. On top of all this, the theoretical benefits are, in fact, entirely theoretical because both the design and implementation are half-assed, so you can get memory exploits even in code that doesn't use the "unsafe" escape hatch.
 
Unimaginative Username said:
which, among other things, turns of bounds-checking
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unsafe enables pointer derefs, it doesn't disable anything. Bounds checking is enforced by container APIs at runtime, just like C++'s std::vector::at. Rust is "memory safe" only because you can wholesale prevent the desk jockey jeet niggercattle from dereferencing pointers. That's it.

lunduke is grifter nigger mind rape, watching 30 minutes of grep results is mind rape.
 
Unimaginative Username said:
In theory, Rust protects against out-of-bounds memory accesses. In practice, the language is a straitjacket (or, given the sexual proclivities of the developers, a gimp suit) and every program of appreciable size and complexity has a fairly large amount of its code tagged as "unsafe" which, among other things, turns of bounds-checking. On top of all this, the theoretical benefits are, in fact, entirely theoretical because both the design and implementation are half-assed, so you can get memory exploits even in code that doesn't use the "unsafe" escape hatch.
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There are no theoretical benefits as borrow checker is theoreticaly unsound - there are ways to access out-of-bounds memory entirely within safe code. The results are puerly practical as in it will stop you fom commiting common errors and while breaking borrow checker is possible you need to know what you are doing to do so.
 
brother tinfoilman said:
lunduke is grifter nigger mind rape, watching 30 minutes of grep results is mind rape.
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He is unflushable turd of the Linux world.

I remember when he wrote this blog post where he claimed Google were censoring him. They had delisted his website from their search results. What he didn't know was that his CMS software had been compromised and there was a malicious iframe on his page. Google had at the time (probably still has) a policy of removing any site from search results that could be considered dangerous.
 
singlele said:
refused to train, help, or onboard me with anything and then shame me for my lack of knowledge.
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singlele said:
. On top of that, she would use that as a justification to not assign me anything and then shame me for not doing anything.
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I will give you a hint: It's deliberately, it's to plant the seeds for you to look bad so they can hire one of their own to later look like the new Indian is "more cooperative" than you, people higher up will see that on paper and it will be a cascading effect for the next potential non-indian hires after you. They hide the pajeetification by pretending it's meritocracy, this is what replaced DEI practices. I know it sounds like a nigger excuse (whhaa they made me look bad n' sheeeit, took my job!), but indians are too low IQ to hide their ingroup preferences compared to e.g kikes or niggers.
 
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We don't need Rust anymore, the main reason people said Rust was good is because much memory safety but now we have Fil-C, which is safer and as far as I know has yet to suffer a vulnerability.

If the Rustoids really cared about memory safety (they don't) they'd be all over Fil-C (they aren't). People may make other excuses (e.g. performance from the GC) but this would be shifting the goal posts because Rustoids claimed memory safety was more important than everything, including performance. The whole thing was a larp, nobody cared, we can all stop pretending!
 
Enne said:
We don't need Rust anymore, the main reason people said Rust was good is because much memory safety but now we have Fil-C, which is safer and as far as I know has yet to suffer a vulnerability.

If the Rustoids really cared about memory safety (they don't) they'd be all over Fil-C (they aren't). People may make other excuses (e.g. performance from the GC) but this would be shifting the goal posts because Rustoids claimed memory safety was more important than everything, including performance. The whole thing was a larp, nobody cared, we can all stop pretending!
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Rustoids don't care about safety. They like the type system and cargo and have always wanted "Javascript as a systems language" to be a thing. It's been a troonlang disguised as a "safety necessity" for over 10 years. Also, they no longer have "it's still the early days" as an excuse for low adoption rates. Rust is following the adoption curve Ada had many years ago. C and C++, at this point in the life of the language, had much broader adoption.

My brothers in Slaanesh, your language is gay and nobody cares about your autistic obsession with type systems when they want to get shit done.
 
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