Push to Require Clergy to Report Child Rape Stalls in Mormon Utah

A push to mandate members of religious clergy report child sexual abuse when it's brought to their attention is facing pushback from churches throughout the United States

By Associated Press

March 1, 2023, at 1:01 a.m.

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Lindsey Lundholm looked out over hundreds of people at the Utah State Capitol last year and felt a deep sense of healing. Abuse survivors, religious leaders and major party politicians were all gathered to rally for an end to a legal loophole that exempts religious clergy from being required to report child sexual abuse once it comes to their attention.

Lundholm, one of the rally's organizers, recalled telling the crowd how, growing up as a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Idaho, she told her bishop about her painful abuse only to see it go unreported.

Unearthing the trauma wasn't easy, but back in August she hoped reforms could be forthcoming so others would not face what she did.

“There was really a lot of momentum," said Lundholm, now a teacher in northern Utah. “Everyone we were talking to was like, ‘This is a no brainer. This is something that needs to be changed.’”

It hasn't.

Proposals to reform laws that exempt clergy from child sex abuse reporting requirements went nowhere in Utah’s statehouse this year, failing to receive even a hearing as lawmakers prepare to adjourn for the year. Efforts were stymied by a coalition of powerful religious groups, continuing a yearslong pattern in which Catholics, Latter-day Saints and Jehovah’s Witnesses have defended the exemptions as survivors like Lundholm fight for reform.

In Utah, where the majority of lawmakers are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, state law requires most professionals — therapists, doctors and teachers among them — report abuse, yet clergy are exempt from alerting authorities about abuse they learn of through confessions.

Republicans and Democrats announced plans last year to reform laws that exempt religious clergy from reporting child sexual abuse cases revealed in conversations with parishioners.

Behind-the-scenes conversations between legislative leaders in Utah and what Senate President Stuart Adams said was “a broad base of religious groups” helped thwart four separate proposals to add clergy to the list of professionals required to report child sexual abuse.

“I think they have First Amendment rights and religious protections,” Adams, a Latter-day Saint himself, said, noting fears among religious leaders that clergy could be punished for breaking vows of confidentiality.

Each proposal was introduced or announced after an Associated Press investigation found that the Utah-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' sexual abuse reporting hotline can be misused by its leaders to divert abuse accusations away from law enforcement and instead to church attorneys who may bury the problem, leaving victims in harm’s way.

In lawsuits detailed in the investigation, attorneys from the faith widely known as the Mormon church have argued clergy-penitent privilege allows them to refuse to answer questions and turn over documents about alleged sexual abuse.

Church officials declined to comment about the stalled legislative efforts. The Catholic Diocese of Salt Lake City did not respond to requests for comment but campaigned against them, saying in January that priests and clergy were different from other professionals mandated to report sexual abuse.

“Legislation that would require a priest to (report sexual abuse) violates our right to practice our religion,” Bishop Oscar Solis, of the Salt Lake City Diocese, wrote in a Jan. 25 letter to parishioners.

Utah Gov. Spencer Cox last month said he “had no problem with the bills moving forward” and receiving consideration in the statehouse.

“I think it’s an important conversation to have. We’ve encouraged the Legislature to look at this and make sure that our model is the right model,” he told reporters.

Marci Hamilton, chief executive of the abuse prevention nonprofit Child USA, said churches have maintained the same playbook for decades in opposing more disclosure.

Routinely it involves a two-pronged approach, defending clergy-penitent privilege in statehouses and using it to avoid damaging disclosures in court cases, said Hamilton, also a University of Pennsylvania law professor.

"They have not veered from it. Both institutions are hoping that time will simply let everybody start trusting them again," Hamilton said, referring to Catholics and Latter-day Saints.

But, she added, "by preventing the public — and especially the sincere believers — from getting the full story you don’t create the accountability that these organizations should be held to and the secrets continue.”

“The problem in the United States — and this is particularly acute in state like Utah — is that the lobbying power of these religious organizations is so extraordinary,” Hamilton said.

Laws in 33 states exempt clergy — regardless of religion — from laws requiring people report child sexual abuse allegations to authorities. Religious leaders have systematically fought efforts to expand the list of states. They currently oppose efforts from Vermont to Washington, where a proposal advanced through the state Senate Tuesday.

Kansas lawmakers introduced multiple proposals on penalties for not reporting suspected child sexual abuse, including one in the state Senate that would have added clergy to a list of mandatory reporters. It faced especially fierce public rebukes from Catholic leaders because it didn’t exempt confessions. No proposal received even a hearing before an initial deadline this year.

In the wake of the AP's investigation last year, Republican state Rep. Phil Lyman and Democratic Rep. Angela Romero announced plans to reform Utah's clergy-penitent privilege loophole. Lyman, who served six years as a Latter-day Saints' bishop, said at the time lawmakers should want to reexamine the loophole “regardless of religious or political affiliation.”

“People should be able to go and confess their sins to their bishop without fear of being prosecuted up until when they are confessing something that has affected someone’s else life significantly,” he told the AP in August.

Lyman ultimately released a proposal that broadly affirmed clergy's exemption from mandatory reporting. It didn't advance or receive any hearing as lawmakers prepare to adjourn Friday. He did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

Proposals from Democratic Reps. Romero and Brian King, and Sen. Stephanie Pitcher to close or narrow the loophole have also not moved forward amid opposition from religious groups.

Both Pitcher and Romero, who is Catholic, said they planned to reintroduce their proposals next year.

“With AP uncovering what they uncovered, you'd think this would be a matter of urgency for this Legislature and for Legislatures across the country. But again we are allowing these institutions to dictate what we mandate,” Romero said, referring to the Catholic Church.

Several Utah lawmakers told AP that opponents of limiting clergy-penitent privilege regarding child sexual abuse had circulated research that they claimed suggests mandatory reporting reform doesn't result in more confirmed reports of sexual abuse and may deter perpetrators from speaking to clergy.

“What most of the research shows is that if people aren’t able to come to them for fear of being reported on, they’re not able to provide the help and support they need,” Sen. Ann Milner said.

However, conclusions drawn from the study, which the Catholic Diocese also circulated in opposition to a similar bill from Romero in three years ago, have been challenged by its authors.

University of Michigan law professor Frank Vandervort and his co-author, Vincent Palusci, a pediatrics professor at New York University, told the AP last year the study was limited, partly because churches often wouldn’t give them access to relevant data.
“A single article should not be the basis for making policy decisions,” Vandervort said. “It may be entirely the case that there’s no connection between the changing of the laws and the number of reports.”

Lundholm said Utah lawmakers adjourning without having a “true public discussion” on any clergy-penitent privilege reform proposal provoked eerily familiar feelings for survivors. Though she never expected political change to happen overnight, she said survivors like her who had abuse go unreported — once again — feel unheard.

“Maybe the worst part is that this is something that survivors experience often, and unfortunately, it’s rare when their stories are heard,” she said.
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The story has been updated to correct the spelling of the first name of Lindsey Lundholm.
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Associated Press writers Joey Cappelletti in Lansing, Michigan, and John Hanna in Topeka, Kansas, contributed to this report.
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Man you really love spamming that image without even looking at it. You still haven't notice that one thing I snuck in. lmao.

Oh look, it's having schizoid delusions now. lol

Good job. Femcel.

How many hours did it take you to think up the epic own of "femcel?" 48 hours? Did you have to stop molesting children to come up with this?

You really do not get what is fucking happening - and actively ignoring it, it's goddamn entertaining.
You know the trifecta of persuasion techniques right?
You've failed all three. At once. In a matter of minutes. Good job.
Ah yes because your thread is SUCH a FOUNTAIN of knowledge and totally not some edifice on your ego whereupon everyone should WORSHIP your very nuanced takes such as:
and ALL those who disagree are eternally buttmad pedophiles defending *CURRENT TARGET OF YOUR IRE* cuz muh vagina.

Would you like me to translate this one in english so you get it? Or I guess "your" english. Since apparently the only english you know is "pedophile" like some dumbfuck pokemon.

>more witless angry blathering

How long until you get so mad that you stroke out or have a coronary? lol Listen, it's not my fault you're mad because you got called out by a thread that told you to stop raping children. Just stop raping them please.
 
Oh look, it's having schizoid delusions now. lol
Hey I'm not the one projecting her pedophilia due to lack of sexual fulfillment as a child since her uncle didn't rape her hard enough or whichever femcel you are.

How many hours did it take you to think up the epic own of "femcel?" 48 hours? Did you have to stop molesting children to come up with this?
I know you can't tell time. But it *took* 11 minutes. Retard.

>more witless angry blathering

How long until you get so mad that you stroke out or have a coronary? lol Listen, it's not my fault you're mad because you got called out by a thread that told you to stop raping children. Just stop raping them please.
You 4ch0nners really have a habit of overestimating the effort I need to shit on your retardation. Here I'll give you a hint.
Woman moment.
 
Hey I'm not the one projecting her pedophilia due to lack of sexual fulfillment as a child since her uncle didn't rape her hard enough or whichever femcel you are.


I know you can't tell time. But it *took* 11 minutes. Retard.


You 4ch0nners really have a habit of overestimating the effort I need to shit on your retardation. Here I'll give you a hint.
Woman moment.
Did you just say children need sexual fufillment? This is the second pedo-esque Freudian slip you've made in two pages.
 
Did you just say children need sexual fufillment? This is the second pedo-esque Freudian slip you've made in two pages.
So you ARE paying attention.
But not enough to figure out I was referencing someone.
Typical woman moment.

I like that you think your simp figuring out I described you as a pedophile was some sorta gotcha too. Good job.
 
Okey honeys you are both autistic and I love you both, now settle down and remember that the ocean is big enough for all pedos. Just fuel the chopper.
 
You're the one who said that natsy shit. Holy shit, you are a pedophile aren't you?
Your autism is strong if you can't realize the simple trap he layed for you. The man nailed you with A RIM-66 missile from his old cold war Frigate, a old fucker, while you were in a stealth jet, miles away- and he still hit! This is your response??? Just calling him a pedophile now. You sound like a commentary youtuber, and at this point we aren't talking about priests any more. Everyone is calling you out. This is your Kobyashamaru, and if you don't understand that reference, watch wrath of Kahn, because I'm not explaining it.
 
Your autism is strong if you can't realize the simple trap he layed for you. The man nailed you with A RIM-66 missile from his old cold war Frigate, a old fucker, while you were in a stealth jet, miles away- and he still hit! This is your response??? Just calling him a pedophile now. You sound like a commentary youtuber, and at this point we aren't talking about priests any more. Everyone is calling you out. This is your Kobyashamaru, and if you don't understand that reference, watch wrath of Kahn, because I'm not explaining it.
I liked the part where she was pearlclutching about what I said after spending 8 pages calling everyone a pedophile.

As usual. Woman moment.
 
I liked the part where she was pearlclutching about what I said after spending 8 pages calling everyone a pedophile.

As usual. Woman moment.
I would say more precisely crazy lesbian cat lady with no kids moment. Hell I'll take back what I said. You nailed her with a RIM-7 Sea Sparrow, which even in the Cold War, was not that based, and only got good with the Evolved Sea Sparrow, which basically replaced everything. When arguments/debates degrade into just calling people pedophiles, the one who started it lost.
 
I liked the part where she was pearlclutching about what I said after spending 8 pages calling everyone a pedophile.

As usual. Woman moment.
How is "why would you talk about a child not getting sexual fulfillment" pearl-clutching? That was some kind of putdown your brain formulated on the fly. "You're mad you didn't have enough sex as a kid!" WTF? Right after you said that I was "interfering in people's relationships." Just pointing that out. I'm not calling you a hypocrite for failing to make fun of me, you are saying extremely fucked up shit only a pedophile would think of when racking your brain for a response.

Your autism is strong if you can't realize the simple trap he layed for you. The man nailed you with A RIM-66 missile from his old cold war Frigate, a old fucker, while you were in a stealth jet, miles away- and he still hit! This is your response??? Just calling him a pedophile now. You sound like a commentary youtuber, and at this point we aren't talking about priests any more. Everyone is calling you out. This is your Kobyashamaru, and if you don't understand that reference, watch wrath of Kahn, because I'm not explaining it.
I would say more precisely crazy lesbian cat lady with no kids moment. Hell I'll take back what I said. You nailed her with a RIM-7 Sea Sparrow, which even in the Cold War, was not that based, and only got good with the Evolved Sea Sparrow, which basically replaced everything. When arguments/debates degrade into just calling people pedophiles, the one who started it lost.
Nothing you're saying will change the fact you spent 9 pages crying about a thread that just told you that child molesters should be reported to the police.

As for you, Mormon, you can't formulate any kind of coherent response other than "the state shouldn't be involved in our religion's pedophilia." So now you're going into some kind of autistic tangent talking about airplanes and missiles that means nothing because you aren't actually smart enough to make an argument that doesn't make you look like an amoral creep. The other guy is even dumber and resorted to attacks on post one. You two have to be two of the dumbest people in this forum I have come across. I mean that in all honesty.

Also I didn't think about it at the time, but the Varg guy who said "the sacrament of confession is bigger than a diddled kid" worships a guy who hates Christianity and burnt down ancient churches. Just food for thought.
 
How is "why would talk about a child not getting sexual fufillment" pearl-clutching? That was some kind of putdown your brain formulated on the fly. "You're mad you didn't have enough sex as a kid!" WTF? Right after you said that I was "interfering in people's relationships." Just pointing that out. I'm not calling you a hypocrite for failing to make fun of me, you are saying extrmely fucked up shit only a pedophile would think of when racking your brain for a response.



Nothing you're saying will change the fact you spent 9 pages crying about a thread that just told you that child molesters should be reported to the police.

As for you, Mormon, you can't formulate any kind of coherernt reponse other than "the state shoudn't be involved in our religion's pedophilia." So now your'e going into some kind of autistic tanget talking about airplanes and missiles that means nothing beucase you aren't actually smart enough to make an argument that doesn't make you look like an amoral creep. The other guy is even dumber and resorted to attacks on post one. You two have to be two of the dumbest people in this forum I have come across. I mean that in all honesty.

Also I didn't tihnk about it at the time, but the Varg guy who said "the sacrement of confession is bigger than a diddled kid" worships a guy who hates Christianity and burnt down ancient churches. Just food for thought.
You wish to essentially, in tech terms, make every one's phone calls public. Literal NSA shit. That is trouble waiting to happen. If a priest sees trouble, he can report it anonymously, and the boundaries between church and state are preserved. Why do you think the state, one of THE most corrupt entities on the planet, is more moral than a priest? A teacher is 3 times more likely to abuse a child than a priest, part of the arm of the State, yet we send them to school anyway. Maybe we should shut all public schools down? Your logic is grasping at straws. In this instance, you're argument is a building made out of mud and sandstone, and I am a Tomahawk Cruise missile with a 1000lb warhead fired from a Ticonderoga class cruiser. I will shoot down your counter arguments with my ESSM's and Phalanxes shortly
 
You wish to essentially, in tech terms, make every one's phone calls public. Literal NSA shit. That is trouble waiting to happen. If a priest sees trouble, he can report it anonymously, and the boundaries between church and state are preserved. Why do you think the state, one of THE most corrupt entities on the planet, is more moral than a priest? A teacher is 3 times more likely to abuse a child than a priest, part of the arm of the State, yet we send them to school anyway. Maybe we should shut all public schools down? Your logic is grasping at straws. In this instance, you're argument is a building made out of mud and sandstone, and I am a Tomahawk Cruise missile with a 1000lb warhead fired from a Ticonderoga class cruiser. I will shoot down your counter arguments with my ESSM's and Phalanxes shortly

An "anonymous tip" is not going to be as strong as a priest going to the police in person and putting their full weight behind protecting that child. That's just cowardice, and it's a complete contradiction of your pretext that the priest can't act because of some dumb rule. Explain to me what verse in the Bible does it say you should let children be molested instead of helping them because of an autistic rule regarding a sacrament? Good luck, you will NEVER find it.

Why do you think the state, one of THE most corrupt entities on the planet, is more moral than a priest?

How ignorant are you to be this oblivious to the history of the Catholic Church? This is an institution that systematically protected pedophiles within its ranks instead of reporting them to the cops for many many decades (if not behaving similarly for centuries)? Of course, the Catholic Church is corrupt. Are you serious? McDonald's is a less corrupt institution than the Catholic Church. McDonald's doesn't have endless lawsuits against it by child abuse victims.

Second, a priest who protects pedophiles is less moral than fucking pretty much any other person, including a schizophrenic begging at street corners. Even that person likely knows that raping children is bad and child rape should always be stopped if you learn about it.

and I am a Tomahawk Cruise missile with a 1000lb warhead fired from a Ticonderoga class cruiser. I will shoot down your counter arguments with my ESSM's and Phalanxes shortly

Pure cringe personified. lol
 
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An "anonymous tip" is not going to be as strong as a priest going to the police in person and putting their full weight behind protecting that child. That's just cowardice, and it's a complete contradiction of your pretext that the priest can't act because of some dumb rule. Explain to me what verse in the Bible does it say you should let children be molested instead of helping them because of an autistic rule regarding a sacrament? Good luck, you will NEVER find it.



How ignorant are you to be this oblivious to the history of the Catholic Church? This is an institution that systematically protected pedophiles within its ranks instead of reporting them to the cops for many many decades (if not behaving similarly for centuries)? Of course, the Catholic Church is corrupt. Are you serious? McDonald's is a less corrupt institution than the Catholic Church. McDonald's doesn't have endless lawsuits against it by child abuse victims.

Second, a priest who protects pedophiles is less moral than fucking pretty much any other person, including schizophrenic begging at street corners. Even that person likely knows that raping children is bad and child rape should slwasy be stopped if you learn about it.



Pure cringe personified. lol
Spare me the "catholics are pedos" bit. A teacher is more likely to rape a child than a priest. You're just mad at your catholic parents. You want the state to have full control over people's lives. The road to hell is paved with good intentions; one exception leads to another. Let the priest handle it. Better than some BPD Karen social worker.
 
You want the state to have full control over people's lives.

Are you saying you want the government to allow you to rape kids? Of course the state should protect children from sex abuse. You keep going back to this, what is wrong with you that you don't think that's the state's job?

Let the priest handle it.

Catholic priests have been covering up child sex abuse for decades. You are literally vouching now for child molestation coverups.

Spare me the "catholics are pedos" bit.

Are you defending all the infamous sex abuse by Catholic priests or are you just ignorant of it being a sheltered Mormon? Either way, no Catholic priests raping children isn't news. Where the fuck have you been?
 
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Are you saying you want the government to allow you to rape kids? Of course the state should protect children from sex abuse. You keep going back to this, what is wrong with you that you don't think that's the state's job?



Catholic priests have been covering up child sex abuse for decades. You are literally vouching now for child molestation coverups.



Are you defending all the infamous sex abuse by Catholic priests or are you just ignorant of it being a sheltered Mormon? Either way, no Catholic priests raping children isn't news. Where the fuck have you been?
The state's job is to defend the nation from foreign threats, hense the military. Police are called when there is a crime. No where is it written that they are supposed to hold a priest at gunpoint and force him to recant every clergymember's sin, in fact it forbids it under the first amendment. It's illegal. The state is not supposed to keep you safe. You are. When you're a kid, your parents are. It's called responsibility, Jack. Most priests aren't sexual abusers, you're just mad at your parents, and I know because you act like it, you petulant child.
 
How is "why would you talk about a child not getting sexual fulfillment" pearl-clutching? That was some kind of putdown your brain formulated on the fly. "You're mad you didn't have enough sex as a kid!" WTF? Right after you said that I was "interfering in people's relationships." Just pointing that out. I'm not calling you a hypocrite for failing to make fun of me, you are saying extremely fucked up shit only a pedophile would think of when racking your brain for a response.



Nothing you're saying will change the fact you spent 9 pages crying about a thread that just told you that child molesters should be reported to the police.

As for you, Mormon, you can't formulate any kind of coherent response other than "the state shouldn't be involved in our religion's pedophilia." So now you're going into some kind of autistic tangent talking about airplanes and missiles that means nothing because you aren't actually smart enough to make an argument that doesn't make you look like an amoral creep. The other guy is even dumber and resorted to attacks on post one. You two have to be two of the dumbest people in this forum I have come across. I mean that in all honesty.

Also I didn't think about it at the time, but the Varg guy who said "the sacrament of confession is bigger than a diddled kid" worships a guy who hates Christianity and burnt down ancient churches. Just food for thought.
>keeps ignoring the actual point people have trouble with, which is the enforced mandatory reporting.
>keeps just calling others retarded and pedophile.
>doesn't understand metaphors or analogy.

You'd think it would stop being funny, but it never does.
 
The state's job is to defend the nation from foreign threats, hense the military. Police are called when there is a crime.

The police are an extension of the state, you goof. You are literally arguing the police shouldn't be called if there's a crime.

No where is it written that they are supposed to hold a priest at gunpoint and force him to recant every clergymember's sin

The priest should have enough moral fortitude to act to protect a child from sex abuse. The fact you don't want them to is disgusting. I would never go to a church with a clergyman like that. Sounds like a church ran by Satan.

in fact it forbids it under the first amendment. It's illegal.

This is closing a loophole exception in another law which has not been overturned by the courts in most states. Other states currently have this loophole closed and it's not been overturned either. If you want to have this autistic fight for priests to shield child predators to go to the supreme court, you're going to have to convince someone like your Mormon buddies to take a case that far with all the negative PR that will entail. Either way, it's currently legal and that's not likely to change anytime soon no matter your views on the constitutional issues. You also claim to be a Christian. Again, Paul told you in Romans to conform to the government's laws.

The state is not supposed to keep you safe.

Yes it is! It's one of the basic functions of government. Why do you think Lori Lightfoot got tossed out in Chicago by her own liberal voter base, because she didn't stop crime and keep people safe. What is hard to understand about this? This is the exact kind of brainwashed mindset I would expect from a cultist. Imagine distrust of the government extending to the idea that you don't think child rape should be prosecuted.

Notice me sempai!
 
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