Pyrocynical / Niall Comas - Inflation / Furshit / Weird Allegations

[Carcinogenesis]

naw. You have to know their age and be in it exclusively to find an underaged partner imho. The idea of preying on someone means it's your primary objective. I think he just didn't care and wanted a fat tardcum RP

When I call Niall a predator, I mainly say it as if he's preying on fans. Fans are very easy to manipulate and use, which is exactly what predators want. The fans don't have to be underage to be preyed upon. I don't think Niall's a pedophile as it doesn't seem like he's looking for children specifically. Child predators are very overt with their obsession with children and actively sexualize the fact that they're underage while knowing it's wrong/illegal. In my opinion, Niall is a predator but not a pedophile unless new evidence says otherwise.

Tom has tainted his career lol

mans lost 9k subs and lost his 200k milestone, and his percieved credibility and public opinion is low, atleast in the grand scheme

F to pay respects to thomas the turk

I can't help but feel bad for Tom. He stood by his opinions but is being relentlessly beat down by Niall's fanbase because they just can't handle the fact that their idol is a terrible person.

 

[Warren Ampersand]

I hate when things like this happen, but that's what e-fame makes people become. People that if you question or call out, you'll get scrutinized and lynched for it. Not to mention villainized.

 

[Woke Blue Muttlema]

I can't help but feel bad for Tom. He stood by his opinions but is being relentlessly beat down by Niall's fanbase because they just can't handle the fact that their idol is a terrible person.

I do feel bad for Tom, I mean it. I have seen that fucking retard get beaten by bigger retards since I started watching him. He has grown as a creator and even though he plays the moral crusader role a lot it still is painful to see that most of the time (Mr. Enter, DigiBro, DAngelo Wallace, Pyro) he had good points and was brushed off by people left and right. He did by far the best coverage of the Slazo clusterfuck for Gods sake.

But if I know Poultry Thomas, he will fucking recover and go back at it again. With arguably, one of the least cancerous channels of the nu-commentary community just to get STFU by people just as bad if not worse than him.

Do not count Tom out yet, he has been here before and he knows what to do.

 

[REMEMBERMKULTRA]

When I call Niall a predator, I mainly say it as if he's preying on fans. Fans are very easy to manipulate and use, which is exactly what predators want. The fans don't have to be underage to be preyed upon. I don't think Niall's a pedophile as it doesn't seem like he's looking for children specifically. Child predators are very overt with their obsession with children and actively sexualize the fact that they're underage while knowing it's wrong/illegal. In my opinion, Niall is a predator but not a pedophile unless new evidence says otherwise.

I can't help but feel bad for Tom. He stood by his opinions but is being relentlessly beat down by Niall's fanbase because they just can't handle the fact that their idol is a terrible person.

When you take on a Youtuber 20x more popular than you you will face backlash, but I think in the end Tom will recover. I have a lot of respect for him sticking to his guns even after getting ratio'd by Pyro's fans.

 

[Violent Ken Apologist]

When I call Niall a predator, I mainly say it as if he's preying on fans. Fans are very easy to manipulate and use, which is exactly what predators want. The fans don't have to be underage to be preyed upon. I don't think Niall's a pedophile as it doesn't seem like he's looking for children specifically. Child predators are very overt with their obsession with children and actively sexualize the fact that they're underage while knowing it's wrong/illegal. In my opinion, Niall is a predator but not a pedophile unless new evidence says otherwise.

I can't help but feel bad for Tom. He stood by his opinions but is being relentlessly beat down by Niall's fanbase because they just can't handle the fact that their idol is a terrible person.

'terrible person.' I don't know. It was literally years ago, some people I know are hardly recognizable compared to their prior selves. And the first paragraph... Preying on adults watching his terrible comedy videos? I'm so confused.

I'm not trying to be mean by dropping a 'dumb' sticker there. Perhaps I should've just not did that and said that I think it's a bit of a baffling sentiment. I'll just remove it and leave that thought here.

 

[REMEMBERMKULTRA]

'terrible person.' I don't know. It was literally years ago, some people I know are hardly recognizable compared to their prior selves. And the first paragraph... Preying on adults watching his terrible comedy videos? I'm so confused.

I'm not trying to be mean by dropping a 'dumb' sticker there. Perhaps I should've just not did that and said that I think it's a bit of a baffling sentiment. I'll just remove it and leave that thought here.

You are correct that people change but the fact that Pyro denied all of these allegations until they were proven true, deleted potentially incriminating messages he sent to Ivory and refused to apologize until there was insurmountable evidence he was guilty makes me feel that he isn't really sorry for what he did.

 

[Violent Ken Apologist]

You are correct that people change but the fact that Pyro denied all of these allegations until they were proven true, deleted potentially incriminating messages he sent to Ivory and refused to apologize until there was insurmountable evidence he was guilty makes me feel that he isn't really sorry for what he did.

That's false. You can feel sorry about a poor mistake and be willing to do anything to repair it but also have some awareness your hands are tied on the matter. Knowing how the public will react to something like this is a different story. There's an instinctive understanding that people will not be forgiving. My consensus is actually that he is indeed probably fibbing a bunch about the specifics (only probably, innocent until proven of course) but that he still is nonetheless not a threat to anyone and wouldn't be. If you penalize people for being genuine and owning up to their mistakes then what incentive do they have to do so? This is for better or worse his income, after all. It's why I dislike SJWs as a whole, if you can't misgender someone then how do they even know the people treating them 'respectfully' really see them as a girl or a unicorn or wtfever?

I mean. There's no downside to admitting you want him to suffer and burn, that's a massive component of the entertainment value this site offers and I'm not going to hypocritically begrudge anyone that. It allows me a place to say insane stuff for comedic purposes so I'm grateful. But I'm surprised people don't seem to realize that the perpetrators of shitty decisions are generally pretty aware of how the larger public treats even the smallest mess up and that it plants a pretty compelling incentive to be disingenuous, even if you're not a guilty or disingenuous person or are otherwise painfully honest. Edit: What I'm trying to say is that it surprises me enough I feel like you already know and are denying it because you want the drama. And you know, that's fair. I'd say to say it like it is but I've grown numb to the annoyance of people seeming false anyway by now

 

[REMEMBERMKULTRA]

That's false. You can feel sorry about a poor mistake and be willing to do anything to repair it but also have some awareness your hands are tied on the matter. Knowing how the public will react to something like this is a different story. There's an instinctive understanding that people will not be forgiving. My consensus is actually that he is indeed probably fibbing a bunch about the specifics (only probably, innocent until proven of course) but that he still is nonetheless not a threat to anyone and wouldn't be. If you penalize people for being genuine and owning up to their mistakes then what incentive do they have to do so? This is for better or worse his income, after all. It's why I dislike SJWs as a whole, if you can't misgender someone then how do they even know the people treating them 'respectfully' really see them as a girl or a unicorn or wtfever?

I mean. There's no downside to admitting you want him to suffer and burn, that's a massive component of the entertainment value this site offers and I'm not going to hypocritically begrudge anyone that. It allows me a place to say insane stuff for comedic purposes so I'm grateful. But I'm surprised people don't seem to realize that the perpetrators of shitty decisions are generally pretty aware of how the larger public treats even the smallest mess up and that it plants a pretty compelling incentive to be disingenuous, even if you're not a guilty or disingenuous person or are otherwise painfully honest. Edit: What I'm trying to say is that it surprises me enough I feel like you already know and are denying it because you want the drama. And you know, that's fair. I'd say to say it like it is but I've grown numb to the annoyance of people seeming false anyway by now

If Pyro had been genuine and admitted he fucked up I'd forgive him. But he did everything in his power to deny and cover up these allegations and only apologized when he was proven guilty. That doesn't seem like a genuine apology to me.

 

[Violent Ken Apologist]

If Pyro had been genuine and admitted he fucked up I'd forgive him. But he did everything in his power to deny and cover up these allegations and only apologized when he was proven guilty. That doesn't seem like a genuine apology to me.

Yeah you'd forgive him but he'd have lost his career so I'm sure he'd rather not. That doesn't make him bad, it's justified manifold given the proportionality of what's at stake. edit: (You know, because everyone isn't you. And even if everyone *was* you and you told him this, does he have any reason to believe you're telling the truth? ...Enough to stake his income and well being on it?)

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

Yeah you'd forgive him but he'd have lost his career so I'm sure he'd rather not. That doesn't make him bad, it's justified manifold given the proportionality of what's at stake.

Oh please, with a fanbase like his, he can handle drama like this (seriously you see the people defending him after all of this, what makes you think there wouldn't be even more of it if he handled the situation better). The fact that he actively tried to deny that he did this does nothing but hurt his credibility and make him look worst.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that what you're arguing is: "it's ok to deny the bad stuff you've done if you're doing it to keep your career intact". If anything, people would respect Pyro more if he immediately owned up to what he did and took a break from Youtube to let to the dust settle.

 

[REMEMBERMKULTRA]

Oh please, with a fanbase like his, he can handle drama like this (seriously you see the people defending him after all of this, what makes you think there wouldn't be even more of it if he handled the situation better). The fact that he actively tried to deny that he did this does nothing but hurt his credibility and make him look worst.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that what you're arguing is: "it's ok to deny the bad stuff you've done if you're doing it to keep your career intact". If anything, people would respect Pyro more if he immediately owned up to what he did and took a break from Youtube to let to the dust settle.

I actually defended Pyro when the allegations first came out. He said he didn't know Ivory's age and I believed him. That's part of why I'm so annoyed. I believed him when he said he was innocent.

 

[Violent Ken Apologist]

Oh please, with a fanbase like his, he can handle drama like this (seriously you see the people defending him after all of this, what makes you think there wouldn't be even more of it if he handled the situation better). The fact that he actively tried to deny that he did this does nothing but hurt his credibility and make him look worst.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that what you're arguing is: "it's ok to deny the bad stuff you've done if you're doing it to keep your career intact". If anything, people would respect Pyro more if he immediately owned up to what he did and took a break from Youtube to let to the dust settle.

There's no example of that ever working out for anyone among hundreds of examples of it happening. (For example, the dozens of twitlongers and people owning up that came out getting a ton of FGC goers cancelled afterwards, even the guy who only had sex with an 18 yr old when they were both shitfaced drunk.) Give me even one where it worked out on this scale and retained a career? Bear in mind that content creators actually have it easy in this regard and he might want to do other things with his life afterwards.

Go on.

I actually defended Pyro when the allegations first came out. He said he didn't know Ivory's age and I believed him. That's part of why I'm so annoyed. I believed him when he said he was innocent.

I don't believe this. You either don't get the connotations of how cancel culture completely destroys your future opportunities or you just want drama. Be honest about it. I don't even see myself as that intuitively gifted so there's no way I'm going to believe I'm the only one smart enough to see how this situation boils down to the same two binary outcomes every time. You either convince the public nothing happened or you lose everything, I've never seen an in between out of hundreds bordering thousands of occurrences.

If I'm wrong I'd love to know how.

edit: I guess it's going to be sticker bombing since actually engaging with points is new for gen zygote. Goddamn, I'm down to be called a retard in actual text or anything and I'm hype for it. I'm playing devil's advocate because it's the only way to get interesting discussion anywhere ever and I'm always down have my shit debunked. May as well not check replies since I'm like 99% sure I have the right idea of how this shit works for morons like Niall

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

There's no example of that ever working out for anyone among hundreds of examples of it happening. (For example, the dozens of twitlongers owning up to it that came out getting a ton of FGC goers cancelled afterwards, even the guy who only had sex with an 18 yr old when they were both shitfaced drunk.) Not even the guy Give me even one where it worked out on this scale and retained a career? Bear in mind that content creators actually have it easy in this regard and he might want to do other things with his life afterwards.

Go on.

Projared is a popular example. He deconfirmed the claims made against him and owned up to exposing young fans to his nudes. While he's not nearly as popular as he once was, people still respect him for how he handled the situation.

While I don't know much about what went on in the FGC, I can imagine that what went down there was much worst than what people like Projared did causing it to be a lose-lose situation for them. Different cases, different people and all that.

I don't believe this. You either don't get the connotations of how cancel culture completely destroys your future opportunities or you just want drama. Be honest about it. I don't even see myself as that intuitively gifted so there's no way I'm going to believe I'm the only one smart enough to see how this situation boils down to the same two binary outcomes every time. You either convince the public nothing happened or you lose everything, I've never seen an in between out of hundreds bordering thousands of occurrences.

So you are arguing in favor of covering up doing terrible things to save your career?

 

[Violent Ken Apologist]

Projared is a popular example. He deconfirmed the claims made against him and owned up to exposing young fans to his nudes. While he's not nearly as popular as he once was, people still respect him for how he handled the situation.

While I don't know much about what went on in the FGC, I can imagine that what went down there was much worst than what people like Projared did causing it to be a lose-lose situation for them. Different cases, different people and all that.

So you are arguing in favor of covering up doing terrible things to save your career?

I can't be assed to deal with this shit honestly but thanks for the constructive reply. As in, not a sticker. That's the standard now.

I'll just say ProJared still falls within the binary frequency. He did nothing wrong. You either didn't or lie you didn't, if you're honest about a past that doesn't even necessarily define you anymore there's every guarantee you won't be treated fairly. I don't know why I'm humouring that since it's obvious he doesn't really count as someone who actually made a mistake before.

He's not an example of someone messing up and making it out with a career.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

I'll just say ProJared still falls within the binary frequency. He did nothing wrong.

I wouldn't call having age inappropriate content of him out and readily available for his younger fans to see is him doing nothing wrong (I think there was something else, but I can't remember).

He's not an example of someone messing up and making it out with a career.

I'm going by equivalence. Besides, Youtube at best is more a side job than a career.

 

[Rock Hard Socks]

Keem might be an awful person but at least he is entertaining about it since public options are dumbest thing to believe on Youtube.

https://twitter.com/KEEMSTAR/status/1343239829086212096?s=20

Keem pointing out the idiots disliking turkey tom and replying to them calling them stupid sub-humans.

 

[Violent Ken Apologist]

I wouldn't call having age inappropriate content of him out and readily available for his younger fans to see is him doing nothing wrong (I think there was something else, but I can't remember).

I'm going by equivalence. Besides, Youtube is at best is more a side job than a career.

first part is interesting. I still didn't get enough counterpoints but I appreciate actually having someone disagree vocally and engaging with it. It's actually legit creepy that he did that, Jared, that is. I actually find it more difficult to believe he possibly changed than Niall humorously. Having that out for an extended period... Eesh. it's possible enough I still don't think it's the internet's business but yeah, that's peculiar. Was there no over 18 warning?

 

[Carcinogenesis]

'terrible person.' I don't know. It was literally years ago, some people I know are hardly recognizable compared to their prior selves. And the first paragraph...

This whole "it was years ago, they've changed!" argument. I see it thrown around whenever some e-celeb is revealed to be an awful person. Niall hasn't changed as he did just about everything to shove this all under the rug. Fans are easy to manipulate because they'll do anything to talk to their favorite YouTuber. A Internet famous animator known as Schmorky was outed for for using a 16 year old fan for pedophilic ERP. The 16 year old released the messages on this forum and explained that she only dealt with it because she was a fan who wanted to talk to Schmorky about stuff like art/animation. It has happened before, and can happen again which is why I don't let Niall off the hook.

You either didn't or lie you didn't, if you're honest about a past that doesn't even necessarily define you anymore there's every guarantee you won't be treated fairly.

The thing is, to show that you've changed, you have to be honest and upfront if you're in a situation like Niall's. He fought tooth and nail to make sure people believed he didn't do it, only to admit it when the evidence against him was too strong. He didn't even do that properly, he still fumbled in his confession and sparked vitriol within his fanbase against those who spoke out about his wrongdoings. There aren't any more recent allegations, I'll give you that, but I'm concerned since he still has a young audience.

 

[Violent Ken Apologist]

This whole "it was years ago, they've changed!" argument. I see it thrown around whenever some e-celeb is revealed to be an awful person. Niall hasn't changed as he did just about everything to shove this all under the rug. Fans are easy to manipulate because they'll do anything to talk to their favorite YouTuber. A Internet famous animator known as Schmorky was outed for for using a 16 year old fan for pedophilic ERP. The 16 year old released the messages on this forum and explained that she only dealt with it because she was a fan who wanted to talk to Schmorky about stuff like art/animation. It has happened before, and can happen again which is why I don't let Niall off the hook.

The thing is, to show that you've changed, you have to be honest and upfront if you're in a situation like Niall's. He fought tooth and nail to make sure people believed he didn't do it, only to admit it when the evidence against him was too strong. He didn't even do that properly, he still fumbled in his confession and sparked vitriol within his fanbase against those who spoke out about his wrongdoings. There aren't any more recent allegations, I'll give you that, but I'm concerned since he still has a young audience.

Having him off of the radar would make him even more of a danger to people if he was tbh, he has every reason to keep his nose clean when famous like this and was visibly afraid but otherwise he'd be like that girl who acted in Lazy Town and did porn once she got out for cash. Assuming you're even correct. The rest I don't want to bother with, I still think it's a bunch of fallacies to justify milking drama and I'm honestly ok with that. It's why the site exists and it can be funny. I wish people would be genuine about it, though.

edit: also, Shmorky was fucking nuts from the get go. Why anyone tolerated him to begin with or didn't see the signs I'll never know...

 

[Carcinogenesis]

Having him off of the radar would make him even more of a danger to people if he was tbh, he has every reason to keep his nose clean when famous like this and was visibly afraid but otherwise he'd be like that girl who acted in Lazy Town and did porn once she got out for cash. Assuming you're even correct. The rest I don't want to bother with, I still think it's a bunch of fallacies to justify milking drama and I'm honestly ok with that. It's why the site exists and it can be funny. I wish people would be genuine about it, though.

edit: also, Shmorky was fucking nuts from the get go. Why anyone tolerated him to begin with or didn't see the signs I'll never know...

I'm genuine when I say that I enjoyed Niall's videos. I'd be more than happy if these accusations were completely false. Sadly, they aren't, and this hurts. That's why I could care less if the Pyrocynical channel crashed and burned. I'm all for enjoying the ride should things change. I'm willing to agree to disagree, the fact that Niall has all this degeneracy surrounding him that has leaked into his online persona is funny enough on its own.