r/antiwork - Yes, it's exactly what it sounds like.

[Mudslinger]

Well, don't complain when every employer decides women aren't worth hiring over men because men won't be allowed to call in 2+ days every month.

Also, imagine if everyone could call in for any reason the top comment listed. Not a single thing would ever get done.

 

[TurdFondler]

I hate the retarded Neet delusion that work is a sort of modern day slavery. Literally everyone in human history has had to work.

The whole idea behind a free society is that class barriers are porous. How many rags to riches stories does America have? I legit know of an immigrant story where someone's great-great grandfather stepped off the boat and toiled in a woodshed that grew into a multinational. Same thing with all those self made men in the USA.

Just seems like a lot of opportunity is gone now and without a huge buy-in you're doomed to wagie bullshit. It's definitely a rose colored glasses scenario but I think people want smaller local economies where work is meaningful.

As far as period cramps go, I'm kinda with the ladies on this one. Everyone deserves a sick day a month. Periods? Hang overs? Sick of working? Stay home & crack a cold one. Fuck em.

That being said:


I'm a hard working, hard drinking salt of the earth kinda guy. You know what I think a labor movement needs? Men in dresses.

 

[Almighty MoeBro Nation]

That being said:
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Holy fuck that first pic is beyond pathetic. "All I want to do is play videogames make art and laugh at memes "

I worked in a child development center for three years and this is literally a statement I would expect to hear from a preschooler. Not a fully grown adult that's expected to contribute to society.

Protip to all potential Neetards reading this thread: Nobody gives a fuck about you or what you "want" from life. It's up to you to secure that for yourself. Cope and seethe.

Just seems like a lot of opportunity is gone now and without a huge buy-in you're doomed to wagie bullshit. It's definitely a rose colored glasses scenario but I think people want smaller local economies where work is meaningful.

As far as period cramps go, I'm kinda with the ladies on this one. Everyone deserves a sick day a month. Periods? Hang overs? Sick of working? Stay home & crack a cold one. Fuck em.

Oh absolutely. I would fully support the subreddit if they focused on mocking shitty corporations, their unrealistic quotas, and general economic inequality. Everyone's heard the horror stories of working in an Amazon factory. But the idea of ZERO work is nothing short of lunacy

 

[celebrityskin]

I'd bet money a lot of them are also from middle-class families and pursued a worthless college major, and now that they have a useless degree and no useful skills, they're finding out the hard way that the only jobs that will take them are the entry-level ones.

Seen a guy like this on twitter. Studied something like “American studies” (he wasn’t American) at university and he clearly couldn’t get a job with that diploma so was working in a supermarket and bitching about it and blaming everyone else.

I didn’t go to college myself. I joined the army at 18 then did a business administration qualification, got some experience and then got something secure with decent pay. Don’t love my job obviously but I’m just glad i’m not completely unsatisfied with student debt to boot.

 

[TurdFondler]

The media spent decades making blue collar workers out to be complete retards compared to the CoLlEgE eDuCaTeD and yeah sure maybe the plumber doesn't know intersectional feminism but he's making three times your wage and no student debt lmao

The sub used to overtly state it's not against labour, it's against "work" which is pointless underpaid service economy shit but clearly they've wandered off the mark.

 

[ConspicuousArdiunoDue]

Just seems like a lot of opportunity is gone now and without a huge buy-in you're doomed to wagie bullshit. It's definitely a rose colored glasses scenario but I think people want smaller local economies where work is meaningful.

The opportunity is there for people who want to invent something for tech or take something in tech and make it a viable product. Or, you could start a business that services things, like airducts, electricals in houses, tradesmen work like that. Huge demand there, especially right now. Although it's a high barrier to entry because most cities make you go through a huge 1-2 year long "accreditation" or licensing process (which is just protectionism). Etsy is also really big if you like doing arts and crafts.

But for those who want to start a brick and mortar store in the local economy, good fucking luck, city planners have all but annihilated your chances by giving huge land deals to multinationals to have them move in. Shit like no taxes above or reduced to pre-development taxes for 20+ years, and for what? Another Walmart to cover the south side of town or something. So not only do they have the edge on name recognition, prices, and variety, but they also get to basically pay less than you do in your 1200 square foot store compared to their literal acre of store.

Local economies, at least local service economies (except for trades) have all but died thanks to city planners is basically what I'm getting at, them and predatory multinationals that will literally lose money hand over fist just to put two of their big box stores on either side of town just to ensure they're competing with literally everything in the town. The only thing most towns have left that could be local is if they're a producer of a good or extractor of a resource, or maybe tourism.

So tl;dr, we have problems, but you could probably start a business; so long as your passion isn't owning a nice grocery store on the corner because Walmart and Target will kill you within the year.

 

[TurdFondler]

Even trades is such a high buy in. Gen X and earlier you could start with a van full of tools and a phonebook entry.

Now? After paying for your business license and whatever city fees, have fun laying out like $20k on specialized bullshit tools, another $10k on liability insurance, then you'll need a website and a social media presence. Not all trades are like this, but most are getting there.

In Canada you can't even apprentice for free anymore, you have to go to college to get an apprenticeship. Also, the government no longer regulates which trades are in demand so colleges pump put hundreds of tradies and it pushes the wages down like crazy.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

You hit a wall towards the end of your shift, regardless of profession. If you leave 18 mins early, you could miss rush hour and think more happily of work the next day. I understand the concept behind not going to work or leaving early or whatever, if you're sick, but it's a thin line between being a pussy and having life-long agitating pain. "I had to do X physical at work today and it triggered my spine condition", not being allowed to leave 45 mins early instead of sitting in pain doing nothing

 

[ConspicuousArdiunoDue]

Even trades is such a high buy in. Gen X and earlier you could start with a van full of tools and a phonebook entry.

Now? After paying for your business license and whatever city fees, have fun laying out like $20k on specialized bullshit tools, another $10k on liability insurance, then you'll need a website and a social media presence. Not all trades are like this, but most are getting there.

In Canada you can't even apprentice for free anymore, you have to go to college to get an apprenticeship. Also, the government no longer regulates which trades are in demand so colleges pump put hundreds of tradies and it pushes the wages down like crazy.

I've seen trades all over the place in terms of freedom and ease of entry. I've seen companies in small towns just get a van with tools and offer services. I personally know a guy that just got a truck, filed an LLC and then went around and repaired and towed random shit for people in rural areas. Meanwhile I've known people who tried to start a painting business in a larger city, they had to go to a school for it, pay for accreditation, get an MBA, and also they have to deal with constant check-ups from city officials that attempt to find anything wrong possible. Reminder, this was just so he could start a business that painted fences and walls.

All in all though we really know the root cause of all of these requirements, the businesses already there lobby for protectionist stances to the local government to ensure less competition for employees and customers. Add in some political speeches concerning safety and "ensuring the quality of the service/industry" and you got yourself a closed market.

Here's a good video by Stossel on food trucks and how they mixed up the local restaurant market, causing the established stores to cry and cope to the city about it and get policy instituted that restricted food trucks. This happens in almost every industry imaginable, but I just wanted a quick example.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Oh absolutely. I would fully support the subreddit if they focused on mocking shitty corporations, their unrealistic quotas, and general economic inequality.

Yeah quotas are awesome. I love being judged by non-clinical staff on time-to-RVU. What a great metric.

What's an RVU? It's a Relative Value Unit. It's a normalized unit that takes into account the time it takes to do a procedure, how much material cost it incurs and the risk of patient injury (aka the risk of being sued if you fuck it up.)

So time-to-RVU is how fast you can grind them out. Ever wonder why your visit to the emergency department involves you being seen by a doctor for like five minutes while they multitask and start doing shit to you while asking you questions about your history? Gotta grind out them RVUs. No rest for the wicked.

 

[TurdFondler]

LOL they took the auto shop approach to medicine. That's so absolutely retarded only a bean counter could come up with it.

The rot is everywhere. Everything is rigged against the small players. They're talking about lifting what little remains of competition laws in radio and just letting iHeart take over everything. Ever notice all the radio stations have commercials at the same time now?

It blows my mind a supposedly free market lets monopolies happen, and in fact encourages them. Imagine starting an indie radio station now. Or like the food trucks @ConspicuousArdiunoDue posted about, the government always makes it hard for real entrepreneurs to start but they give the big guys all these crazy breaks.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

It blows my mind a supposedly free market lets monopolies happen, and in fact encourages them. Imagine starting an indie radio station now. Or like the food trucks @ConspicuousArdiunoDue posted about, the government always makes it hard for real entrepreneurs to start but they give the big guys all these crazy breaks.

In Canada you only see food trucks outside stores like Canadian tire and they are the shitty sausage/hotdog food trucks. Specialty food trucks are only for outdoor events like festivals and weddings

 

[TurdFondler]

I think it depends on the municipal bylaws. You can have a food truck in some cities but you have to buy a ridiculously expensive annual permit and I think you still pay for parking. Hotdog carts have basically been outlawed by increasing the license fee to where it doesn't make sense to get one. RIP street meat.

 

[Liucage67]

I say my piece on the entire situation.

But I guess my situation is a different than others, like I’m not even 21 years old yet and I bring home 52k a year. Granted I live in Texas, so cost of living is cheaper and this is my first job I ever had. I never worked for retail, or fast food so I guess if I had I would understand the struggle

 

[ConspicuousArdiunoDue]

I say my piece on the entire situation.

But I guess my situation is a different than others, like I’m not even 21 years old yet and I bring home 52k a year. Granted I live in Texas, so cost of living is cheaper and this is my first job I ever had. I never worked for retail, or fast food so I guess if I had I would understand the struggle

Most r/antiwork people cope and sneed because they just want to settle into a mediocre rut that somehow pays them enough money to enjoy what they see millionaire influencers on their favorite time wasting application enjoying. Little do they understand that it's precisely their mindset and approach to work that makes them unsuccessful.

I'm just going to go ahead and assume that you're more ambitious and have a more innate understanding of the value of time and work than the average redditor, and just from the information that you've provided that in 10 years you'll be living life exactly how you'd like while the very people espousing to live as they please will still be stuck living how they don't like to live.

It's a fundamental misunderstanding of the mechanics of life at play here, they don't understand that if they don't strive for greatness and satisfaction in the things that matter, they will have neither in their fruitless pursuits of couch surfing and jannying.

 

[BluntyBitch]

Even trades is such a high buy in. Gen X and earlier you could start with a van full of tools and a phonebook entry.

Now? After paying for your business license and whatever city fees, have fun laying out like $20k on specialized bullshit tools, another $10k on liability insurance, then you'll need a website and a social media presence. Not all trades are like this, but most are getting there.

In Canada you can't even apprentice for free anymore, you have to go to college to get an apprenticeship. Also, the government no longer regulates which trades are in demand so colleges pump put hundreds of tradies and it pushes the wages down like crazy.

Just Wana add that LLC's literally have to pay for their tools EVERY SINGLE YEAR. it's part of their taxes, they have to add up how much their tools are worth, and then have to pay a tax on that. I had to help an old boss inventory his tools one year and couldn't believe how he had to pay for his own tools literally every year.
Number one reason I said fuck LLC's

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

Just Wana add that LLC's literally have to pay for their tools EVERY SINGLE YEAR. it's part of their taxes, they have to add up how much their tools are worth, and then have to pay a tax on that. I had to help an old boss inventory his tools one year and couldn't believe how he had to pay for his own tools literally every year.
Number one reason I said fuck LLC's

That makes no sense, most small tools would be classified as either supplies (an expense) on the financial statements and thus on the tax return or classified as a Property Plant and Equipment class that had a short useful life, thus making it beneficial to the owner as your expense the full cost of your tools over 2-3 years as compared to over 5-10 years.

 

[MilesAwayGirl]

I used to be right on the side of r/antiwork when I assumed that they meant the same sort of thing as I did: As in, that people tend to want to be useful, and that once their basic comforts are met (food, shelter, maybe a hobby) they'd tend to construct a routine for themselves that helps other people (Think like, pensioners who don't really need the money who go and work in the local shop for the chat, or people who go and cook for their disabled neighbour, or babysit for free for their friends' kids).

This feels like it could *sort of* be an organising principle for society - But you'd need heavy social pressure towards being community-minded and cooperation (because plenty of jobs need a workforce that can coordinate their time and effort - Doesn't matter how willing your voluntary crew of binmen are, if the volunteers at the plant that assembles the lorries or that gets the petrol to the pumps aren't all in line too)... Which would probably quickly turn into people being pressured to stay late to finish things etc.

Bur seeing all the "Without a job, I'd just sit with my thumb up my arse and laugh at the funny pages like a seal" is depressing as hell. Maybe it's irony poisoning and they just think they'd feel silly saying "Without a job, I'd full-time care for my elderly parents and maybe be a dog walker" but wow, that sub punctures my last naïve hope that people are basically cooperative and sympathetic to each other.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

"Without a job, I'd just sit with my thumb up my arse and laugh at the funny pages like a seal" is depressing as hell.

Realistically I'm a supporter of UBI but I dunno. I was coming into it from the mindset that people would be able to work odd jobs and do what they love while still being able to support themselves financially. I'm optimistic that most people would. Not these guys though.

 

[Psychotron]

I'm just anti pointless work.
A good job where you can afford the roof over your head gives you meaning.
Working a job that fundamentally doesn't pay your bills is kinda slavery, what's the point of the arrangement if it's
"We are fine with literally working you to death".

I think in the best of possible worlds UBI is needed to alleviate the transition to the automation age.

I think in clown world IP2 and just becoming a lolcow becomes the defacto ubi.