Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

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Coming full circle, there's currently a TNO Victoria 2 mod in development. It's based on the original TNO with Alantropa and such. I'm curious to see how it'll progress. Just as a reminder for the out-of-touch, TNO was originally going to be a Victoria 2 mod, and a lot of the big things TNO touts - besides visual novel mission trees and GUI-minigames, are jury rigged versions of inherent Victoria 2 features. Such as an in-depth economy, political rights, spheres of influence, and decade spanning gameplay.

Probably the biggest thing though is the lack of mission trees. Though some Vic 2 mods can get pretty heavy with the decisions and rail roading events, that doesn't hold a candle to the direction HOI 4 mods tend to go down.
 
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Corpun said:
It baffles me how these minigames are accepted by the entire community when these mods make this retarded shit instead of a decision with pp cost. HOI4 mods would be a hundred times more enjoyable if they all ditched these bullshit minigames.
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Tbf that is what happens with modern Nullparadox games, they remove all the complexity from the older titles and as such their games now are just map painting simulators where you click on events. The problem is that the modders think it is their mission to try and make it more interesting but it isn't and they can't
 
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Explain yourself Kaiserredux fans
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Dustlord said:
I might try this mod. One trope I hate is the "confederate empire" thing where the confederates magically get all of latin america into their country.

Am I really expected to believe a country that is decentralized and isolationist by design, while also being incredibly worried about racial issues, is going to bring all of latin america into their fold?
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The Latin American slaving empire was an actual plan proposed by people in the Confederate camp though.
It was about as realistic as Hitler winning WW2 and conquering all of Europe, but it was an actual suggestion floating around at the time.
 
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Randall Fragg said:
The Latin American slaving empire was an actual plan proposed by people in the Confederate camp though.
It was about as realistic as Hitler winning WW2 and conquering all of Europe, but it was an actual suggestion floating around at the time.
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I thought the KGC was the Confederate version of a think-tank. The only feasible parts of the plan that could work is maybe some of the northern Mexican states get bought like in Turtledoves stories, or maybe Cuba and Puerto Rico. Throw in a few other Caribbean islands give how close to Florida and the Southern coasts they are, but stretching to Panama? No chance even in the most moonshine fueled delusion.
 
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RA-5C Vigilante said:
I thought the KGC was the Confederate version of a think-tank. The only feasible parts of the plan that could work is maybe some of the northern Mexican states get bought like in Turtledoves stories, or maybe Cuba and Puerto Rico. Throw in a few other Caribbean islands give how close to Florida and the Southern coasts they are, but stretching to Panama? No chance even in the most moonshine fueled delusion.
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Maybe thought it was a believable goal since the Antebellum United States in the mid 19th century had quite a few private "expeditions" raised to try and conquer territory so that they could be annexed and used as slave states. Besides the slavery aspect they were also believers in "manifest destiny" which explains some things. One of the more prominent filibusters was William Walker who accompanied with thousands of mercenaries attempted to take over Central America and failed after getting into a war with four countries while having no support from the American government. All of this was happening in the mid to late 1850s.

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Mexico which would of been a massive country to overcome was also being invaded by France in the 1860s. This is the time frame the "Golden Circle" plans exist within.
 
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Can't wait for le heckin holsum 100 UoB saying trans rights and killing Mosley, the King, and Aristocrats for being counter revolutionary and traitors.

I fully expect them to take Canada at some point and turn it into a dictatorship of the Royal Family, and not in the fun Kaiserredux way with their Canada update. There is this bizarre trend with KR where they seem to think the White Dominions have no loyalty to England and the King and are basically on the same level as Indians and the Africans in terms of being subjects. Up until after WW2 the British Dominions were intrisically tied to Britain and Parliament through cultural and social ties, it's why there was a plan for an Imperial Federation historically but it never came to fruition just because of how much of a mess it would be politically.

Instead KR fans seem to think that the British Government-in-Exile is just throwing lives away for ego and vanity to reclaim some country estates and shit and that makes them evil, not that there would be a holy mission to not only reclaim the mother country because it is the beating heart of the entire Anglo world but because it is the spiritual center of it. Every political instition in British Dominion society has it's roots in England. This isn't the King deciding he wants his palace back or some shit.

Of course you can't have that nuance in Kaiserreich and can never talk about it because the Syndieboos will simply call you a monarchboo who wants to LARP while ignoring the whole British Revolution lore is incredibly LARPy and neither the Commune or the UoB have governments that should be able to function given how much political sway Trade Unions have. To them the whole Entente shouldn't exist and the Dominions should have just seceded following the Revolution and joined it because it is completely unfeasible that a 1920s British Empire had more to it than just economic ties which were all exploitative.
 
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It's a natural progression of this all encompassing view of society towards Progress™️ where it is ordained by reality itself that we will eventually achieve communism.

These faggots have somehow arrived back at the same sort of thought control faggotry of Hays Code puritanism and Cheka thought control. Because their religion politics explains that paradise Utopia is just around the corner if we all engage in the progressive cult that means that by default anyone not helping is not only delaying but also sabotaging it. It requires complete, total commitment to the vision of progress because to offer anything else is the same as trying to stop it.
 
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Corpun said:
Instead KR fans seem to think that the British Government-in-Exile is just throwing lives away for ego and vanity to reclaim some country estates and shit and that makes them evil, not that there would be a holy mission to not only reclaim the mother country because it is the beating heart of the entire Anglo world but because it is the spiritual center of it. Every political instition in British Dominion society has it's roots in England. This isn't the King deciding he wants his palace back or some shit.
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And the Nu-KR fans have this idea that the British exiles are just a bunch of stuffy British aristocrats that don’t want to heckin’ share their wealth and not the millions of Britons (from every social class) that are escaping the red terror.
Corpun said:
It baffles me how these minigames are accepted by the entire community when these mods make this retarded shit instead of a decision with pp cost. HOI4 mods would be a hundred times more enjoyable if they all ditched these bullshit minigames.
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I can understand minigames in TNO because there’s fuck all to do otherwise but in Kaiserreich ? Where you have to prepare for a world war for 3-4 years ? On top of being gay and retarded it’s also frustrating as hell and distracts from other shit you’re supposed to be doing like building up your industry/army for the war.
 
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General Emílio Médici said:
It's a natural progression of this all encompassing view of society towards Progress™️ where it is ordained by reality itself that we will eventually achieve communism.

These faggots have somehow arrived back at the same sort of thought control faggotry of Hays Code puritanism and Cheka thought control. Because their religion politics explains that paradise Utopia is just around the corner if we all engage in the progressive cult that means that by default anyone not helping is not only delaying but also sabotaging it. It requires complete, total commitment to the vision of progress because to offer anything else is the same as trying to stop it.
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Is this part of that End of History bullshit Fukuyama pushed or is this the new ideology that replaced it?
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And the Nu-KR fans have this idea that the British exiles are just a bunch of stuffy British aristocrats that don’t want to heckin’ share their wealth and not the millions of Britons (from every social class) that are escaping the red terror.
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Which reminds me. During the reconstruction after the Entente wins and restores the UK, there is an event where basically aristocrats want to evict bums living in their estates for free. Yes, apparently the UoB was just letting these estates sit abandoned and open for random bums to use instead of reassigning them for various government uses or turning them into museums/private residences for the new elite like the Soviets did.

The 'moral' option here is basically to financially compensate aristocrats for their losses and let the squatters stay, despite the fact these actions were taken under an illegitimate government you just overthrew. The whole event is painted as stuffy evil landlords oppressing the people when they are literally just trying to reclaim what is legally theirs.
 
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General Emílio Médici said:
No it's a type of sunk cost fallacy with zealotry I think, End of History has nothing to do with it.
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I think it's both:
"Freedom And Democracy(TM) are The Future(TM) and Progress(TM) is how we protect Our Democracy(TM), and everyone else is just misguided and needs to be introduced to the Power of Freedom and Democracy(TM) and Liberated(TM) by Our Diversity(TM)."

Mixed with:

"Why hasn't Freedom And Democracy(TM) won yet? It's because Racists And Bigots And No Good Horrible Very Bad Deplorable NAZI KKK TRUMP SUPPORTERS have derailed everything!"

They cannot comprehend the idea that someone else's worldview is valid, because someone else being right means they might have been wrong. And as we all know, Heckin' Wholesome Trans Rights(TM) and Freedom And Democracy(TM) are NEVER WRONG, CHUD!
 
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