Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

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This is a good move imo. Russia has been at war with itself for 20-30 years by the time 2WRW rolls around, asking Russia to take Ukraine and Belarus is like asking Assad to invade Turkey and make it to Ankara today after a decade or so of constant civil war. It's one thing to complain about the devs gutting the experience for "realism's" sake, but the concept that Russia is even slightly capable of making it to Riga or Kyiv (let alone Warsaw) in TNO is probably up there with Atlantropa in my opinion.
 
so the TWR toronto accords update came out, and it's a buggy mess that doesnt even have all of its content released lmao, if you want a rundown:
>france falls into civil war before hitler even dies
>PRC has no content
>japan has no content
>korea has no content
>philippines has content planned (for some reason lmao) but isnt implemented
>india content (the main communist power) supposedly wasnt even finished on release day
>canada content removed
>random iranian civil war for some reason
>new civil wars dont even have proper news events or events to core territory for the victor (see: congo uprising)
>second chinese civil war doesnt even have a news event

this guy is also one of their devs and spergs out at any mention of content being bad/unfinished
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some guy on the sub said "is it just me or does vozenesky content feel unfinished?" you know, the other novosibirsk unifier whose content literally ends after unifying the russian warlords (zero content afterwards to go to war with germany btw), and this guy instantly spergs out and comments something like 'fuck you', i cant remember exactly. it's like leebait but for historyspergs
 
so the TWR toronto accords update came out, and it's a buggy mess that doesnt even have all of its content released lmao, if you want a rundown:
>france falls into civil war before hitler even dies
>PRC has no content
>japan has no content
>korea has no content
>philippines has content planned (for some reason lmao) but isnt implemented
>india content (the main communist power) supposedly wasnt even finished on release day
>canada content removed
>random iranian civil war for some reason
>new civil wars dont even have proper news events or events to core territory for the victor (see: congo uprising)
>second chinese civil war doesnt even have a news event

this guy is also one of their devs and spergs out at any mention of content being bad/unfinished
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some guy on the sub said "is it just me or does vozenesky content feel unfinished?" you know, the other novosibirsk unifier whose content literally ends after unifying the russian warlords (zero content afterwards to go to war with germany btw), and this guy instantly spergs out and comments something like 'fuck you', i cant remember exactly. it's like leebait but for historyspergs
Not just Canada. Japan had its content removed. I remember playing with a friend as Japan and they had several interesting paths ranging from a literal police state that IIRC made you authdem or pataut and a chance to just restart imperialism again since 4 nukes aint gonna keep you down. Complete that if you lose again to America they balkanize you into 4-5 states with no chance of Japan unifying again. I don't think I've seen an update that has less content then when it started out. Just WTF are they thinking? Especially when they are made fun of as diet TNO. All they had to do is make it more like KR but in a Nazi victory and not do retarded minigames and they would have had this in the bag.
 
I remember playing with a friend as Japan and they had several interesting paths ranging from a literal police state that IIRC made you authdem or pataut and a chance to just restart imperialism again since 4 nukes aint gonna keep you down.
some of the content mightve been finished but i remember the LDP content wasnt finished at all, and going imperialism again didnt actually let you invade anyone
 
In the leaked stuff WAAAAAY way back in this thread TNO had some interesting ideas for him includinga Peirce coup the guy who wrote the Turner Diaries as a BurgSynd path for America. Modern TNO is probably going to make it suck. already the West Russian submod Yockey teaser content is literally stop the steal Trump expy bullshit.
I remember reading through the leaked document and his path sounded really fun were you basically go Palpatine mode and subvert America's institutions from the inside, culminating in Yockey winning a third term and finally going full dictator mode. I seriously don't get why the devs are so obsessed with giving irrelevant shitholes content where all you do is pick between the social democrats or conservatives rather than doing something actually interesting.
so the TWR toronto accords update came out, and it's a buggy mess that doesnt even have all of its content released lmao, if you want a rundown:
They STILL haven't added cancellable focues.
 
I remember reading through the leaked document and his path sounded really fun were you basically go Palpatine mode and subvert America's institutions from the inside, culminating in Yockey winning a third term and finally going full dictator mode. I seriously don't get why the devs are so obsessed with giving irrelevant shitholes content where all you do is pick between the social democrats or conservatives rather than doing something actually interesting.
I mentioned this before but the issue is a lot of HOI4 content are done by volunteers and due to the nature of the game it attracts fringe nationalists from shithole nations. Those shitehole nations are being made since a bunch of spics and slavniggers want to right abut their shitty irreverent country. I am not even opposed to smaller nations getting content but I am a purist who feels majors should always get full content first for obvious reasons. Otherwise you get shit like KR where Haiti had a bigger focus tree then Germany's or Austria's until the recent German update. Its also why I am pissed at the so far from god update. As mentioned before not only is it Mexico, a literally who nation. A lot of shit in some majors like Japan still has missing loc.

IMO the roadmap should be finish content for England, France (bioth free and the state) Italians and Japanese first as the major powers. USA and Germany could then get a bit more polish as well as adding some actual interesting content for China (I like the Long Yun idea and some of the hinted content of KMT remnants that are waiting to catch the RGOC with their pants down not like TNO will do anything with it). After that you can then move onto your shithole nations. Its very telling one of the first updates they had for content was the Spic nations no one cares about. Even then their British and Spic content was not made by them. They were submods they absorbed. For hating TNOredux and any mod with redux in the name they sure do act like KX with absorbing any submod they can. The only difference is KX makes actually god submods and content.
 
As mentioned before not only is it Mexico, a literally who nation. A lot of shit in some majors like Japan still has missing loc.
Mexico is a rather important country, as it is a fairly populated nation with a potentially large economy that's literally on the US' southern border and could potentially ally itself with the Sphere (very dangerous for the OFN). Imagine the OTL cuban revolution but on steroids.

The problem is that the other, more relevant countries don't have any content. The UK, both Frances, Turkey, India and Azad Hind should all have gotten content before Mexico, that's undeniable
 
Equestria at war is on ironically the best hearts of iron mod clearly we just need to get bronies to work on everything.
Look if I have to Google half the people in mods to know who the hell they are they are historically and politically irrelevant people.
Also for the 100th time Huey long is not a fascist neither neither is the iron guard
Leon degrelle is literally a reactionary Catholic monarchist
also georgism was never popular ever there was never a popular georgist movement the union of young Russians had more political influence and those people were insane.
I get the American Civil War 2 mods they're meant to be a joke I especially love the one where they have Donald Trump and punish trump and Barron trump and Jeb.
Yockey is another nothing burger lmao. The devs have come out and said that his presidency wouldn’t lead to a coup attempt or civil war, despite that being, you know, gameplay. It’s just more overwrought misery porn events about how Yockey #StopTheSteal’ed his way into the Oval Office and some similar events about how everyone hates him and he can’t get any laws passed.
Everyone hated Francis Parker Yankee in the American right when he was still living and thought he was a complete and utter weirdo Rockwell when he was asked about him literally didn't even know who the hell he was.
Also Yankees ideology is completely and utterly off the wall ********
 
Mexico is a rather important country, as it is a fairly populated nation with a potentially large economy that's literally on the US' southern border and could potentially ally itself with the Sphere (very dangerous for the OFN). Imagine the OTL cuban revolution but on steroids.

The problem is that the other, more relevant countries don't have any content. The UK, both Frances, Turkey, India and Azad Hind should all have gotten content before Mexico, that's undeniable
Sorta mentioned it above that it should be given a secondary priority after the majors. It could be interesting but I am very much a snob who looks down on non-global powers but even that aside I am not opposed to them getting content. More so that its a meager three years when they made it a mod that spans ten (three years would be fine in normal HOI4 mods as the war pops off around 3-4).
Also for the 100th time Huey long is not a fascist neither neither is the iron guard
Leon degrelle is literally a reactionary Catholic monarchist
also georgism was never popular ever there was never a popular georgist movement the union of young Russians had more political influence and those people were insane.
I get the American Civil War 2 mods they're meant to be a joke I especially love the one where they have Donald Trump and punish trump and Barron trump and Jeb.
TBF the reason for that is they identified as clerical fascist and both parties expressed sympathies or outright joined the Axis. Degrelle interestingly enough used to despise Hitler until the invasion of Belgium where he became a fanboy of his and saw him as the savior of Europe from Judeo-Bolsheveism. Huey Long does not make sense as a fascist though as he was never racist or anti-semitic to begin with and IRL he often spoke ill of Hitler and Mussolini especially the former's treatments of Jews. He also was friends with progressives at the time like Norman Thomas who in KR proper is part of the SPA. I think someone earlier in this thread did a good write up on the Long slander and how its based off the book "It can't happen here." written by Lewis Sinclair who ironically enough support the IRL AFC.
 
Mexico is a rather important country, as it is a fairly populated nation with a potentially large economy that's literally on the US' southern border and could potentially ally itself with the Sphere (very dangerous for the OFN). Imagine the OTL cuban revolution but on steroids.
The issue though is that the content is going to be absolutely boring. A ways back in the thread I had an idea for Mexico's content being a proxy war between Japan and America where Germany could chose to get involved to fuck over the other two with America being able to invade outright if it gets really bad, from the leak it just looks so half assed.
 
Oh it will be. I am more shocked a few pages back we had a guy leak stuff like Penelope's Web and no one is talking about it. Downloaded it right now. gonna crack it open later and see what its inside. Its from circa 2023 so not too long ago. Reading some of the documents on their dev team mindsets they did have idiots. Like way back a guy said America nuked Antwerp to try and flood the Rhine to stall Germany. That was a serious lore retcon they considered adding that did not make it. FDR -> Dewy though was the thing accepted in this proposal.
 
Like way back a guy said America nuked Antwerp to try and flood the Rhine to stall Germany.
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Antwerp is not on the rhine, nor is it upstream enough to cause any major issues.
It's one of the major european ports, a quick peek on google maps shows this.
Such absolute gay retardation bodes ill.
 
so the TWR toronto accords update came out, and it's a buggy mess that doesnt even have all of its content released lmao, if you want a rundown:
>france falls into civil war before hitler even dies
>PRC has no content
>japan has no content
>korea has no content
>philippines has content planned (for some reason lmao) but isnt implemented
>india content (the main communist power) supposedly wasnt even finished on release day
>canada content removed
>random iranian civil war for some reason
>new civil wars dont even have proper news events or events to core territory for the victor (see: congo uprising)
>second chinese civil war doesnt even have a news event

this guy is also one of their devs and spergs out at any mention of content being bad/unfinished
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some guy on the sub said "is it just me or does vozenesky content feel unfinished?" you know, the other novosibirsk unifier whose content literally ends after unifying the russian warlords (zero content afterwards to go to war with germany btw), and this guy instantly spergs out and comments something like 'fuck you', i cant remember exactly. it's like leebait but for historyspergs
They also removed Finland's content because the guy who made it turned out to have no-no views
 
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Antwerp is not on the rhine, nor is it upstream enough to cause any major issues.
It's one of the major european ports, a quick peek on google maps shows this.
Such absolute gay retardation bodes ill.
Attached is the USA rework made by Vote pig. Surprised no one looked into their leaked documents when they were leaked. Its interesting to see what was proposed and what made it versus what didn't but for all we know it could be planned for the future. Here is some stuff that is gleamed from it.

America no longer sees Japan as its primary baddie:
This one pisses me off a bit from having a relative who fought in the Pacific war. The Vote Pig guy tries to say "Yeah uuuuuh IDK why America hates Japan more. Like they are bad, but they do not do genocide on an industrial scale. like the Germans."

Cause they were the ones that attacked American soil and put treaty ports on two very famous and important American cities you ignorant tool! America would still dislike the Germans since they are a geopolitical enemy and also allied and helped the Japanese but it comes off as a thing I hate IRL where a lot of people tend to overlook both the pacific and how horrible the Japs were to coom over evil Nazis. Japs were so brutal even some of the Nazi attaches or even ones who just happened to be there like John Rabe were like "Hey! Chill with the autism."

Removal of the NPP:
As far as I can tell this one has obviously not been implemented. The NPP as a concept was proposed to be removed and instead the two party system still in place. Not entirely bad. A lot of NPP politicians and leaders were just IRL Dems or Reps, mostly Dems (document does point out that the NPP is an exaggerated version of the IRL Democratic party's wings as they had southern nationalists like Wallace and Thurmond and actually progressives like Scoop or Harriet.). See my last point below but interesting enough you can see how some of his new proposed presidents actually did make it into the game.

-Public becomes anti-war:
American public starts to turn anti-war once they see more American coffins return home and businesses start to use war time to make people work longer hours leading to strikes. I hate this one as it sounds like the issues that panzer era Aouth Africa had. The Americans had been attacked and wanted blood. On top of that they were attacked by in their eyes, a slimey backstabbing gook nation. At the time media was not like it was in Vietnam where it acted as a 5th column to actively hinder their own war effort. On top of that HOI4 leftists tend to use strikes as the best and most based thing ever but even in America most industry realized the threat and helped the nation commit to a total war economy.

-America nukes Antwerp and midway
America is not nuked at all and in fact they make fatman and little boy. They nuke Antwerp since according to the document it would flood the Netherlands and then the Rhine. Likewise midway was going to be devastating to the Japanese since America just nuked their fleet there.

-Gus Hall is still here but Yockey is cut:
The most foreboding one imo. We are probably never gonna see the SAFE act till I make my autistic submod. Gus Hall has an idea given where you can read more but he is basically given a lameduck presidency since congress made him president till they can find a real one. Yeah it sounds as retarded. His whole thing is basically stolen from their Yockey idea where Hall has to be a wholesome chungus socdem till he can go full commie and nationalize stuff.

-Basically TNO2 is dead
One thing seen here is that all of the American leaders are 64 or 68 presidents. Basically it seems they've secretly all but given up on a 20 year content game. I can't really blame them to be honest though,. Even their proposed 30 year game was a bit much. Interesting enough some of the new proposed leaders you can see in game like Romney and Schlafly.

What's funny is in this document itself to Vote Pig admits that they have to give this to the community like boiling a frog. Knowing a lot of fans would be angry at such a drastic change. Even ironically mentioning that there is a chance of this very document leaking like it was now.
 

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