Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

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On a brighter note, I fixed air units and ideas are now showing up!
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Provided I don't take a tumble down the stairs, I'll have the git published sometime next week and the steam workshop page up sometime after that.
 
On a brighter note, I fixed air units and ideas are now showing up!
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Provided I don't take a tumble down the stairs, I'll have the git published sometime next week and the steam workshop page up sometime after that.
beautiful, do you plan on explicitly stating the mod came from KF? also if youre gonna upload on steam, i'd suggest using an alt even if youre main is private, iirc there's websites out there that you can view steam profile history on (name changes, comments, and so on)
anyways i cooked up a description for brezhnev and tweaked khrushchevs description to fit within the lore, it's like my own toozer mod!
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Yet, as a player, my freedom to continue the game should not be inhibited by what characters do inside the game. If you are going to punish the player in a gameplay sense, punish them for their own idiotic actions and not the actions of whoever they're playing as.
In a nutshell, this has always been my problem with TNO, and I think mittelafrika (or whatever it was called, it’s been so long since I played) was the worst example of this.

If you went the SS route, the African colonies would always collapse, same with the other routes if I remember correctly. No matter what you did, no matter how many units you had or where you put them, eventually unrest would get too high and everything would collapse.

Now let’s keep in mind that you’re playing as a genocidal SS regime, in game they were portrayed as being worse than Burgundy.

You should have had an option to simply kill all the local population, but this would come with massive debuffs and malus’s. Sure, you could remain in control of the continent (and even enlist Boer support) but it would come at the cost of inheriting a continent of bones and a unrecoverable economy. It would be an awful and bloody campaign, and in the end there is nothing left but ashes, but you could still say you controlled it all.

The player would have some agency, the campaign would take all their skill and management, and the devs could still get an ‘I told you so’, but it would all be the players choice.

Maybe they have fixed some of these issues since the last time I subjected myself to TNO, so I might be entirely wrong.
 
Holy shit I thought the "I became a syndicalist due to Kaiserreich" niggas were trolling. How many people do you think became satanist nazis due to TFR?
More than one, but not enough to really matter. Being a genuine National Socialist in the modern day is really damn rare, and even your stereotypical skinheads (who aren't genuine National Socialists!) are rare as is. Being a "Satanist Nazi" is right up there with being an unironic monarchist or kaiserboo in terms of "Meme-tier Crackpot Ideological Beliefs".
Well my autistic ass became a monarchist appreciator and Kaiserboo after playing KR/KX.
What is there to "appreciate" about objectively the worst German government in history? Except as a shining example of why monarchism deserves to stay a dead ideology and why Wilhelm II and his son deserved bullets far more than Nikolai II and his family?
 
stereotypical skinheads (who aren't genuine National Socialists!)
Sort of out of the scope of the thread, but I never got that argument that skinheads arent genuine NS. In fact they are more genuine NS than terminally online "NS", as they beat up commies and minorities, just like the original Sturmabteilung. Even the author of Nazi Germany's anthem said that you gotta beat the shit out of commies, you can't defend culture with debates.

“Oh Gerkenrath! There is a widely cited phrase that you yourself like to use. It goes: Throw away so that you do not lose. So we are in the process of throwing away we, the S.A., so that we do not lose, but regain, and you stand by and watch and find that highly ungentlemanly, highly uncouth — yes, my goodness, fighting is not a very refined affair, but one can no longer defend German culture with fountain pens and typewriters, much less reconquer it. Now, my dear fellow student, we have to work for Goethe with beer mugs and chair legs. And once we have won, well, then we will again spread out our arms, press our cultural goods to our hearts and enjoy them.” - Horst Wessel
 
Sort of out of the scope of the thread, but I never got that argument that skinheads arent genuine NS. In fact they are more genuine NS than terminally online "NS", as they beat up commies and minorities, just like the original Sturmabteilung. Even the author of Nazi Germany's anthem said that you gotta beat the shit out of commies, you can't defend culture with debates.

“Oh Gerkenrath! There is a widely cited phrase that you yourself like to use. It goes: Throw away so that you do not lose. So we are in the process of throwing away we, the S.A., so that we do not lose, but regain, and you stand by and watch and find that highly ungentlemanly, highly uncouth — yes, my goodness, fighting is not a very refined affair, but one can no longer defend German culture with fountain pens and typewriters, much less reconquer it. Now, my dear fellow student, we have to work for Goethe with beer mugs and chair legs. And once we have won, well, then we will again spread out our arms, press our cultural goods to our hearts and enjoy them.” - Horst Wessel
Yes, I am aware of what Horst Wessel said and the functions/actions of the SA. The problem with your little argument is your average "skinhead" isn't a white man/woman who a functional, healthy, productive member of society that is also tired of being fucked over by the Juden and their golems and wants a racially pure, culturally homogenous, healthy society to work and raise a white family in. You know, the type of person who National Socialism is meant for.

Your average gaggle of skinheads are tattooed up, borderline-retard IQ, low-class criminals who dress up in shitty reproductions of Nazi uniforms and mindlessly mouth the slogans with literally no understanding of what (Germanic) National Socialism was/is really all about. Their entire "understanding" of it begins and ends with "Durr...uh...FUCK DA JOOZ N DA NIGGARS N DA GOMMIES! WHITE POWUH!".
They're the types of degenerate morons that real National Socialists would either take advantage of as useful idiots, or just straight up execute them for being subhuman trash and an embarrassment to the Aryan Race.
 
the worst part of TNO is the tantalizing idea of an alt-history cold war experience, where im told that i can play as the USA and save the world from jap tyranny and teutonic hegemony, when all you really get is "proxy wars" that amount to pressing buttons and praying that the RNG on the retarded minigames they come up actually works in your favor.
then, to top it all off, i cant even stand to replay these minigames and wars to develop a coherent strategy, because im being bombarded with literally hundreds of events full of text that constantly interrupt my micro and get in my fucking way
i dont give a FUCK about some asshole writing a book, or a black kid being scared of george wallace, or brazilian election results
i really could give a shit less about your character drama
I WANT THE ECONOMY TO GO UP
I WANT NATIONAL PRESTIGE TO GO UP
I WANT TO WIN THE COLD WAR
For some reason TNO devs and modders are allergic to hearing this. Even when watching my friend play this game there was a point he had like 8 minigames in his decisions tab ui and just forgot some existed. It feels like its on purpose to give you autist over stimulation and for some reason they tend to act very smug over this. Though that is TNO and its fans in general as I've been given excuses justifying how poorly optimized this game is coded to why the Himmler clogs the toilet super event is needed.
beautiful, do you plan on explicitly stating the mod came from KF? also if youre gonna upload on steam, i'd suggest using an alt even if youre main is private, iirc there's websites out there that you can view steam profile history on (name changes, comments, and so on)
anyways i cooked up a description for brezhnev and tweaked khrushchevs description to fit within the lore, it's like my own toozer mod!
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For a jak poster I am impressed with your skill at making those portraits. Your Khrushchev one is really good actually.
 
beautiful, do you plan on explicitly stating the mod came from KF? also if youre gonna upload on steam, i'd suggest using an alt even if youre main is private, iirc there's websites out there that you can view steam profile history on (name changes, comments, and so on)
anyways i cooked up a description for brezhnev and tweaked khrushchevs description to fit within the lore, it's like my own toozer mod!
I make allusions to KF and I have my KF username listed in the credits. I also give a special thank you this thread specifically. Somebody will probably put two and two together but I'm not too worried. And I already planned to use an alt steam account, but thanks for the warning.

Great portraits by the way. Where did you source the backgrounds?
If you went the SS route, the African colonies would always collapse, same with the other routes if I remember correctly. No matter what you did, no matter how many units you had or where you put them, eventually unrest would get too high and everything would collapse.
What's funny is in my fork the ai is obsessed with taking the path and Africa has collapsed every game. It's a shame the only content for Africa past the SA war is a suicide path, but I've already sperged enough about those.
Even when watching my friend play this game there was a point he had like 8 minigames in his decisions tab ui and just forgot some existed.
This was my issue with Speer when I first played TNO 4 years ago and I had the same issue now. I always end up ignoring the Great Game minigame since it doesn't really do anything for you. Ironically when I tested out Italy I actually focused on it more since Italy has less minigame, so the Great Game just felt more important.
 
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Being a "Satanist Nazi" is right up there with being an unironic monarchist or kaiserboo in terms of "Meme-tier Crackpot Ideological Beliefs".
No, I think it's pretty exceptional. Someone could read Joseph de Maistre or Thomas Hobbes or Carlyle, or just think that the head of state shouldn't be up to a popularity contest, and become reasonably convinced naturally. Becoming a satanist nazi, with the only real introductions to that being either through mapgame mods or obscure discord/imageboards, requires a special level of "You're not my dad, God!".
 
beautiful, do you plan on explicitly stating the mod came from KF? also if youre gonna upload on steam, i'd suggest using an alt even if youre main is private, iirc there's websites out there that you can view steam profile history on (name changes, comments, and so on)
anyways i cooked up a description for brezhnev and tweaked khrushchevs description to fit within the lore, it's like my own toozer mod!
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I thought Brezhnev was a general for that one Red Army faction in Tuva/West Mongolia
 
Sort of out of the scope of the thread, but I never got that argument that skinheads arent genuine NS. In fact they are more genuine NS than terminally online "NS", as they beat up commies and minorities, just like the original Sturmabteilung. Even the author of Nazi Germany's anthem said that you gotta beat the shit out of commies, you can't defend culture with debates.
Horst Wessel was also murdered by Commies, the point still standing, Debating and "Taking the higher ground" with them simply didn't work, it was either you Beat the shit out of them (Sometimes to death) or they do it to you. Hell Most Paramilitaries back then were doing all sorts of Illegal stuff to fund themselves, the SA had numerous Legal fronts but also had people doing robberies etc..

Skinheads simply just are a more modern of the old revolutionary spirit that was in the SA, I actually find it retarded for NS guys to shun them since a lot of these fellers tend to be Politically smart (With Hollywood dumbing them down far more than what they really were like, Albeit, you'll still find those types of idiots as you do in any group of people)

They simply just are the expression of that old Youth orientated fighting spirit.
Yes, I am aware of what Horst Wessel said and the functions/actions of the SA. The problem with your little argument is your average "skinhead" isn't a white man/woman who a functional, healthy, productive member of society that is also tired of being fucked over by the Juden and their golems and wants a racially pure, culturally homogenous, healthy society to work and raise a white family in. You know, the type of person who National Socialism is meant for.
I don't know what kind of Skins your speaking to, but i've known a fair share that do legitimately hold National Socialist views, They simply choose to be Militant because they simply see the Electoral method as being pointless and rather choose to Group up and do their own things. As stated, the only thing that legitimately changed from quite a few of the SA guys in the 20's and the NS Skinheads of today, are simply the looks, attitude and disorganization.
 
Horst Wessel was also murdered by Commies, the point still standing, Debating and "Taking the higher ground" with them simply didn't work, it was either you Beat the shit out of them (Sometimes to death) or they do it to you. Hell Most Paramilitaries back then were doing all sorts of Illegal stuff to fund themselves, the SA had numerous Legal fronts but also had people doing robberies etc..
I am reminded of something I read somewhere: Italian fascist philosopher Giovanni Gentile's death is a true tragicomic episode in 20th century history. He campaigned for the release of anti-fascist Intellectuals because he thought that they couldn't defeat his arguments. They killed him in response because they could not, in fact, defeat his arguments. This is a parable for conservatism.
 
I thought Brezhnev was a general for that one Red Army faction in Tuva/West Mongolia
He is, i planned on removing him but im afraid that if i do it'll brick the general system, for context every general is assigned a custom tannu tuva has any content anyways since the TNO team removed vasilevsky and mens' contents. they plan to make it an actual tannu tuva/mongolia path, which is just peak nuTNO
 
In a nutshell, this has always been my problem with TNO, and I think mittelafrika (or whatever it was called, it’s been so long since I played) was the worst example of this.

If you went the SS route, the African colonies would always collapse, same with the other routes if I remember correctly. No matter what you did, no matter how many units you had or where you put them, eventually unrest would get too high and everything would collapse.

Now let’s keep in mind that you’re playing as a genocidal SS regime, in game they were portrayed as being worse than Burgundy.

You should have had an option to simply kill all the local population, but this would come with massive debuffs and malus’s. Sure, you could remain in control of the continent (and even enlist Boer support) but it would come at the cost of inheriting a continent of bones and a unrecoverable economy. It would be an awful and bloody campaign, and in the end there is nothing left but ashes, but you could still say you controlled it all.

The player would have some agency, the campaign would take all their skill and management, and the devs could still get an ‘I told you so’, but it would all be the players choice.

Maybe they have fixed some of these issues since the last time I subjected myself to TNO, so I might be entirely wrong.
If TNO was still about having fun content it would be a cool idea to have an option as Bormann or Speer to send hardline SS troops to that rump state that forms out of Grossafrika's collapse with the goal of reconquering all of that land. Having at most 24-50 mechanized troops facing off against double the amount of African militias would make for a unique challenge and would even fit in with the new lore since apparently no matter who takes power the SS can't get puged.
 
If TNO was still about having fun content it would be a cool idea to have an option as Bormann or Speer to send hardline SS troops to that rump state that forms out of Grossafrika's collapse with the goal of reconquering all of that land
You could have whoever wins in Germany use it as a dumping grounds for unpurgable soldiers. Bormann and Speer send SS, Heydrich sends Wehrmacht and Goring sends both.
 
Goring sends both.
He has to make room for all that food he wants to eat, you know!

It'd be funny if he got a trip to America like Bormann does, but he actually admits to enjoying Disneyland and McDonald's. Especially McDonald's. So much that he invites them to establish franchises in the Reich.
 
He has to make room for all that food he wants to eat, you know!

It'd be funny if he got a trip to America like Bormann does, but he actually admits to enjoying Disneyland and McDonald's. Especially McDonald's. So much that he invites them to establish franchises in the Reich.
MickeyD's versus Bavaria Fried Chicken. A corporate war that puts the Sphere to shame
 
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