Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

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GoodWinSon said:
I mean I suppose you could say the US still has a form of indentured servitude with illegal alien labor. So there might be an urge to avoid bad optics.

Also the Anglo must denigrate the Irish at all times. It's a genetic urge, you have to understand. It has to happen.

Edit: Now that I think about it, this thread is probably more pro-Panzer than any hoi4 discord server or subreddit I have been in.
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Panzer would have stopped people trying to say Nazis did not have slavery. For his faults he did not tolerate white washing Japan or Germany which modern TNO does sometimes. Like VooootePig asking why America hates Japan more when they are literal neighbors and were the ones that drew first blood against America.
 
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Mussolini’s Merkin said:
I think Millennium Dawn could be made into a decent modern day game. The focus of it could be more on economic domination and proxy wars, somewhat like Vic 2.

Conflict could be split between regional and global scales. You would need to split your resources between units that could deal with bushfire wars and those that were ready to deal with global conflicts. Some support companies could be solely dedicated to local resistance suppression and resource extraction and resistance suppression, others to more regular Army matters like supply and maintenance .

I know that's how HOI4 currently works, but mods like EAW have shown that you can scale combat width/supply/resistance based upon what units are based in a particular operating area. I think it would be an interesting balancing act with how you using you EXP, where to spend your Mil's etc.

Hell, someone with the right modding experience could pull it off as it is, but MD is just a bloated mess at this point. It attempts to wedge modern day politics into a game that is designed around global conflict.
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Honestly I'd say combine that with the Cold War game, what I'm envisioning is you get to deal with the Cold War for fifty years(and fight WW3 if it comes down to it) and then the ramifications of the world you built and choices you made. Some easy examples I'm seeing is if the USSR wins the Cold War a massive far right surge hits the NATO countries, if you fight WW3 as America decisions to support Gladio can lead to Fascists and Nazis taking power in Europe starting a three way Cold War, or America could reverse it's policies on decolonization to openly supporting Rhodesia, South Africa, and Portugal.
Rome's rightful successor said:
Ukraine
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In the inevitable Azov path it would be cool if Ukraine does what some of their more radical members wants and straight up invades and annexes European Russia only to turn their target on liberal Europe in order to launch their "reconquista". It would serve to make the second European War more interesting than just wait for Russia to attack yet again and I quite like the idea of NATO creating this new monster that threatens them and is arguably worse than whichever version of Russia they fought off.
 
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Grave Ghost said:
In the inevitable Azov path it would be cool if Ukraine does what some of their more radical members wants and straight up invades and annexes European Russia only to turn their target on liberal Europe in order to launch their "reconquista"
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It would be a very good narrative opportunity to have Azov Ukraine revive ancient blood-feuds with neighbours, launching pre-emptive strikes on Romania, Poland and Hungary (they want our lands in Bucovina/Zakarpattia/Lvov! We have to prevent a second Crimea!) and annexing Moldova (or at least Transnistria). I hope TFR, despite being a generally lacking mod when it comes to narrative, doesn't miss out on this.
Rome's rightful successor said:
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The UN mission in Florida feels a little inexplicable. You'd think a UN mission touching down on American soil would have a bigger implication than just being a mini-boss for an AWD campaign. They just disappear after you kill them, "oh well, we tried." Also, do Russia/EU/China/PDTO countries get any chances to assist them or something? I've only played America campaigns and a little bit of France.

UN Florida (as it is) should be removed, but a UN faction would be a good idea in some other execution. It currently just is jarring. If you want it to be an OIR against AWD, it should show up after you take over Florida and it should be a bigger threat.
 
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NashSuvorov said:
The UN mission in Florida feels a little inexplicable. You'd think a UN mission touching down on American soil would have a bigger implication than just being a mini-boss for an AWD campaign. They just disappear after you kill them, "oh well, we tried." Also, do Russia/EU/China/PDTO countries get any chances to assist them or something? I've only played America campaigns and a little bit of France.

UN Florida (as it is) should be removed, but a UN faction would be a good idea in some other execution. It currently just is jarring. If you want it to be an OIR against AWD, it should show up after you take over Florida and it should be a bigger threat.
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As far as I know Germany and Russia don't get decisions to aid the UN. On a sidenote I wouldn't mind having multiple UN missions in America, like one in Florida, another in Staten Island, and another in Oakley/the general San Fransisco bay area. All three could have a shared military & economic tree but separate political trees for dealing with the respective factions in their area, all having a shared GUI to call on aid from pre-European War Europe or WEF-NWO EU or if they're really desperate the PDTO and support each other, i.e letting them be the only three nations that are ACW participants that can send volunteers to anyone.

If they want they can either ally with Biden and subsequently get annexed by him if he reunifies America, vie with the UoA for influence/give the UoA buffs in exchange for influence over them and if they have enough influence annex them so they can go on to reunify America, or outright betray him for full globalist control of America. Naturally they'll be hostile to everyone but Biden, and when they reunify their respective regions of America (Northwest & Great Lakes, Southern states up to the Potomac and Mississippi, the West Coast and Rockies) they get annexed by the player controlled tag and form the "United Nations Reconstruction Authority of the Former United States" or some other long beaurucratic name.

Naturally when dealing with separatist and extremist factions like the NSM and Cascadia, they'll be outright hostile, but they can choose to either ally with state authorities in exchange for more allies or alternatively go against them if they betrayed Biden for legitimacy and standard attack bonuses.

Each UN mission can be slightly politically different, the Florida mission can be the moderate one, allowing some dissent and slightly loosening rules of engagement to take on AWD remnants. The Northwest one can be the most liberal since they'll be in an already compliant region, having political freedoms on par with pre-war America but repressing right wing views. The West Coast one will be the most extreme, being an outright military junta with the most loose rules of engagement since they're dealing with Cascadia, the USAF in Area 51, the Folkish Movement in Nevada, the APLA and California State Militia, and particularly all the dozens of gangs from the Crips & Bloods to the Aryan Brotherhood.
oh and they should add a salafist breakaway in michigan that's dependent on some events happening in pre-war america, like the NSM attack some arabs and not intervening or some such. i'm still nostalgic about that american ISIS faction in Make America Again
 
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Grave Ghost said:
In the inevitable Azov path it would be cool if Ukraine does what some of their more radical members wants and straight up invades and annexes European Russia only to turn their target on liberal Europe in order to launch their "reconquista". It would serve to make the second European War more interesting than just wait for Russia to attack yet again and I quite like the idea of NATO creating this new monster that threatens them and is arguably worse than whichever version of Russia they fought off.
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I think Ukraine in potential Azov path should annex Black Sea coast and few other territories and try to prop up puppet goverment(s) made of these groups.
Irl they had at their peak about half brigade worth of soldiers (2000 men) spread across multiple organizations.
And they were pretty much wiped out during various PR raids into Russian territory.
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Radola Gajda said:
I think Ukraine in potential Azov path should annex Black Sea coast and few other territories and try to prop up puppet goverment(s) made of these groups.
Irl they had at their peak about half brigade worth of soldiers (2000 men) spread across multiple organizations.
And they were pretty much wiped out during various PR raids into Russian territory.
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The TVTropes page (lol) says that the reprisals towards Russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine in a NATO victory after the 1EW will be harsh, but says that the dev say you can choose how harsh when Ukraine gets content.
 
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NashSuvorov said:
You'd think a UN mission touching down on American soil would have a bigger implication than just being a mini-boss for an AWD campaign. They just disappear after you kill them, "oh well, we tried."
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I mean that is an accurate description of the real blue helmets.
I wonder what kind of puppets they'd put in power in Florida and the Greater United States. More variety with them would make them funner to destroy and maybe have a secret anti-globalist uprising path (3rd civil war if you will) featuring at least Alex Jones.
 
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Sooty Soot said:
oh and they should add a salafist breakaway in michigan that's dependent on some events happening in pre-war america, like the NSM attack some arabs and not intervening or some such. i'm still nostalgic about that american ISIS faction in Make America Again
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Rome's rightful successor said:
I mean that is an accurate description of the real blue helmets.
I wonder what kind of puppets they'd put in power in Florida and the Greater United States. More variety with them would make them funner to destroy and maybe have a secret anti-globalist uprising path (3rd civil war if you will) featuring at least Alex Jones.
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Blue helmets don't really tend to take offensive action like they do in TFR Florida, don't they? Only moment when the UN itself has taken the wheel to crack skulls that spurs to my mind was in the Korean War.
 
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