Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

Apparently, to them it's all just KX drones doing gayops and being haters
KX lives rent free in the heads of the KR devs. KR devs deleted all positive posts about KX from their subreddit and Discord months ago, because people praising a mod that actually get's updates, doesn't pretend to be a smart new realistic setting and gives the player the option to go wild, surely must be all trolls and haters.
The funny thing about the petty KX v. KR drama is, that the KR devs take everything so seriously while the KX devs and players just make fun of the mod while enjoying their own. This leads to the KR devs seething constantly about the KX fanbase for simply not taking their setting serious enough.
 
What about CK3? I think its a stepdown from CK2 but I still think its a solid game.
Just personally not a fan. From the dogshit UI to the disgusting 3D character models to the lack of content compared to CK2. It is the only recent PDX game that I bought, but I don't see any reason to play it over CK2.
I think one of the only really good changes 3 made over 2 (aside from not being absolute garbage when it comes to MP anymore, which Vic 2 also suffers from) is the decoupling of Men-at-Arms/Retinues from being provincial or building based for capacity. The rest of it feels like a fairly significant downgrade so far.
 
KX lives rent free in the heads of the KR devs. KR devs deleted all positive posts about KX from their subreddit and Discord months ago, because people praising a mod that actually get's updates, doesn't pretend to be a smart new realistic setting and gives the player the option to go wild, surely must be all trolls and haters.
The funny thing about the petty KX v. KR drama is, that the KR devs take everything so seriously while the KX devs and players just make fun of the mod while enjoying their own. This leads to the KR devs seething constantly about the KX fanbase for simply not taking their setting serious enough.
Joyless faggots who take alternate history far too seriously have become a fucking plague across the entire AH community. It still boggles my fucking noggle that people unironically take fanfiction about real life to be important. Although most fanfic autism is overblown retardation, so I suppose it isn't actually that surprising.
 
I think one of the only really good changes 3 made over 2 (aside from not being absolute garbage when it comes to MP anymore, which Vic 2 also suffers from) is the decoupling of Men-at-Arms/Retinues from being provincial or building based for capacity. The rest of it feels like a fairly significant downgrade so far.
I dropped CK3 like two months after it's release just from how dumbed down and bullshit a lot of the mechanics were, The UI was also fucking ass and I don't see how people back then defended it as being simpler and more intuitive when a ton of information that was imortant was put in some different tab. Haven't reinstalled it yet.

My only view on that abortion of a game is that it was dumbed down either for some console port or dumbed down for retards who think CK2 is too much of an excel spreadsheet.
 
I dropped CK3 like two months after it's release just from how dumbed down and bullshit a lot of the mechanics were, The UI was also fucking ass and I don't see how people back then defended it as being simpler and more intuitive when a ton of information that was imortant was put in some different tab. Haven't reinstalled it yet.

My only view on that abortion of a game is that it was dumbed down either for some console port or dumbed down for retards who think CK2 is too much of an excel spreadsheet.
I dropped it two months after I started playing because my friend I usually play games with also got bored with it around the same time I did. It's a bit telling that we didn't even bother playing it unmodded and that we needed around 15 (quickly increased to 22) mods off the workshop before we considered actually trying it. Even then, the first two days were mostly just us trying to figure out where all of the buttons and decisions were moved to with the new UI. Hell, I didn't even manage to find the option to switch to single-heir/primogeniture until about a month and a half of (and probably about 40 hours into my 50) later because of how unintuitive they made the succession laws menu(s). I was under the assumption that I just didn't have it unlocked (I in fact did since the beginning) during any of our MP campaigns because it would only let me switch between partition laws until I somehow managed to find the option to change it by accident.

I think you're right about the dumbing down bit, though. It did get a console release about a year and a half later, so I have my suspicions as well.
 
The UI was also fucking ass and I don't see how people back then defended it as being simpler and more intuitive when a ton of information that was imortant was put in some different tab.
I hate the UI with a burning passion, generally I'm fine with a lot of the mechanical changes but its always the UI that eventually makes me stop a run.
 
I dropped it two months after I started playing because my friend I usually play games with also got bored with it around the same time I did. It's a bit telling that we didn't even bother playing it unmodded and that we needed around 15 (quickly increased to 22) mods off the workshop before we considered actually trying it. Even then, the first two days were mostly just us trying to figure out where all of the buttons and decisions were moved to with the new UI. Hell, I didn't even manage to find the option to switch to single-heir/primogeniture until about a month and a half of (and probably about 40 hours into my 50) later because of how unintuitive they made the succession laws menu(s). I was under the assumption that I just didn't have it unlocked (I in fact did since the beginning) during any of our MP campaigns because it would only let me switch between partition laws until I somehow managed to find the option to change it by accident.

I think you're right about the dumbing down bit, though. It did get a console release about a year and a half later, so I have my suspicions as well.
I wasn't even aware of the console release. I found the lifestyle tree interesting but it is way too slow. Any meaningful shit takes actual ages and I don't mean the late stage shit for lifestyle like making your own religion, I mean any actually useful traits, meaning you never actually bother developing a character's traits right. It doesn't really matter anyways when they will be dead in a few decades anyways.

The dynastic legacy stuff is actually neat and I like that you can increase the odds of getting good traits in your family. Cadet dynasties and shit are a great addition but the lack of customization of dynasty names and crests at least as far back as I played it really hampered it. You'd getting something dumb like Karling-Aachen or something and never be able to roleplay it will.

None of this really matters though when the UI is incredibly dense and convoluted and lacks any serious customization and you need a ton of mods to make it feel like CK2 to begin with. There were too many cocksuckers sucking off paradox claiming CK2 was too complex and the UI was a mess, but I just don't fucking see it.

The technology being linked to culture is fucking garbage though. You can culture swap to some other culture and lose a ton of progress if whoever heads that culture hasn't done shit. CK2 has it spread by county and makes far more fucking sense.

I see people say CK3 is more RPGy but even a sandbox like CK2 has better roleplaying. Not that it doesn't have bullshit. Had to dump my 862 Welt game because I died shortly after forming the HRE after a couple decades of dynastic politiking, but the fucking Umayyads used their retarded invasion CB and blobbed both France and Aquitaine, having like 35k levies, and every crusade fails to gain traction because of the force comparison or however it works. Might be manageable but of course RNGesus fucked me and killed my emperor too soon and I lost the Empire to some other fucks who are too incompetent.

CK3 doesn't even have minor titles at least as far back as I remember. Remember those court titles you could hand out like Seneshel, Cupbearer, etc. Those didn't exist on launch and if they do now I bet they're paywalled behind some fucking DLC.

I don't really like sucking off CK2 too much. The Holy Fury update was great, but it broke Crusades and now they always win. They should have added the new Crusade mechanic to the Muslims or done some rebalancing, because I get really annoyed watching Catholic AI blob into North Africa every game and ruin game balance on any start date from 1066 onward.
 
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THEN FUCKING POST THEM NIGGER
tldr: big map
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Look at these fire greenland textures
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Removing Atlantropa but keeping that dumbass Congo lake thing? One or the other TNOdevs.
To be fair on the TNO devs, the proposal to dam the Congo and create a Congo Sea/Lake isn't necessarily related to Atlantropa and was also an IRL proposal (by the same guy who proposed Atlantropa though, funnily enough) that also didn't get off the ground. It would also be more realistic, although still extremely hard, when compared to Atlantropa. Unlike the TNO depiction, however, the Congo Lake/Sea should be overflowing northward into a huge Chad Sea as well. Willy Ley depicted it as so in his book which mentioned the topic:

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To be fair on the TNO devs, the proposal to dam the Congo and create a Congo Sea/Lake isn't necessarily related to Atlantropa and was also an IRL proposal (by the same guy who proposed Atlantropa though, funnily enough) that also didn't get off the ground. It would also be more realistic, although still extremely hard, when compared to Atlantropa. Unlike the TNO depiction, however, the Congo Lake/Sea should be overflowing northward into a huge Chad Sea as well. Willy Ley depicted it as so in his book which mentioned the topic:

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Looks far cooler even though it is retarded conceptually. No joke, when I first started TNO's demo that came out and saw the big lake I assumed some meteor hit Africa or something.
 
Looks far cooler even though it is retarded conceptually. No joke, when I first started TNO's demo that came out and saw the big lake I assumed some meteor hit Africa or something.
The weirdest part of TrooNO lore (that still kinda exists) is that the Germans would build a resort town in the Congo Lake and have a small industry of tourism there for rich German officials, that's pretty retarded.

Why would Germans give a shit about a shitty swamp lake that's full of jungle diseases and malaria when they literally have more nicer places to have some beach time, like y'know the Mediterranean that's just right below them. Or Crimea, though I don't know how Black Sea resorts compare to Mediterranean resorts.
 
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