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There are some other neo-confederate stuff in the CAR, such as being able to choose the Bonnie Blue Flag as the national flag which was a flag for the confederacy but was abandoned in preference for the much more popular 13 stars and bars, also iirc Texas can actually reform the CSA but that requires essentially capitulating Long, the CAR, and MacArthur as you have to be in control of all 11 states that were in it.
 
Aryan Brotherhood is being reworked now - https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1bzz4hl/the_aryan_brotherhood_rework_information/

FDR is the worst president the United States every had and a fucking disgrace to the Founding Fathers.
From the perspective of a right wing "libertarian/small government" US conservative maybe. Personally I don't have much of an issue with Roosevelt besides the internment camps for Japanese US citizens ( I could maybe understand it from an irrational fear they will collaborate or for their protection but still it was still an unlawful imprisonment of US citizens as well as a propaganda victory for the modern social left).

There's no real evidence to say Roosevelt prolonged the depression and I think it would have been worse under a free market capitalist president like Hoover. For the points on guns, we can agree to disagree there, I personally would be in favour of firearm regulations but I get why US rightwingers are so steadfast on the issue. Blaming him for modern US obesity which only began taking off in the 90s is stupid imo as well as saying the reason he got involved in European affairs was because of the Germans wanting to set up puppet states in the Americas (what's the source on that as well as Britain rigging the 1940 GOP convention). Japan bombing Pearl Harbour and Germany directly declaring war has more to do with that.
 
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From the perspective of a right wing "libertarian/small government" US conservative maybe. Personally I don't have much of an issue with Roosevelt besides the internment camps for Japanese US citizens ( I could maybe understand it from an irrational fear they will collaborate or for their protection but still it was still an unlawful imprisonment of US citizens as well as a propaganda victory for the modern social left).

There's no real evidence to say Roosevelt prolonged the depression and I think it would have been worse under a free market capitalist president like Hoover. For the points on guns, we can agree to disagree there, I personally would be in favour of firearm regulations but I get why US rightwingers are so steadfast on the issue. Blaming him for modern US obesity which only began taking off in the 90s is stupid imo as well as saying the reason he got involved in European affairs was because of the Germans wanting to set up puppet states in the Americas (what's the source on that as well as Britain rigging the 1940 GOP convention). Japan bombing Pearl Harbour and Germany directly declaring war has more to do with that.

The internment of Jap-Americans was a crime. It could have been somewhat justified if FDR had kept it to only 1st generation migrants who arrived in the last 10 years or something but the blanket arrest was a deliberate target by him to hype up the fear of the enemy. There are also claims of corruption regarding the forced sale of Japanese-American owned real estate but I don't know much about it.

FDR prolonged the depression and this is simple fact. The depression wouldn't have turned as bad as it did if it wasn't for the mistake made in Hoover's final days of putting tariffs to "protect" american industry in place which caused the implosion of the stock market to grow into a general depression (since it caused Europeans and other nations to cut down on buying american goods). Roosevelt's insistence on trying to control things only made things worse and instead of the natural recovery of the market as prices adjusted and trade resumed in new terms he kept trying to set the scales and prices himself which only backfired. His own secretary of treasure said it was a failure in a 1939 memo “We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. . . . I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. . . . And an enormous debt to boot!” You can find data and analysis on this very easy, while New Deal defenders rarely have anything other than 80yo propaganda and anecdotal evidence from pop culture. [1] [2] [3]

Not gonna argue the guns then.

I blame him for the obesity because his New Deal directly led to unprofitable and unnecessary corn plantations being kept alive on government money despite there being no reason for them to keep growing corn. If he wanted to help he could have given them a deal on swapping crops, not artificially raising prices of corn to pay for it. This has been going on for 80 years now and massive fields of corn exist which produce corn that no one wants to eat. So to find something to do with all this corn that the US Government keeps cheap they turn it into High Fructose Corn Syrup and pump it into everything to trick you into thinking it is tasty and eat it, fattening your ass up.

His desire to get involved in Europe was a big and well known thing with him, and many critics of this slowly were purged from the media over the years via soft censorship since a global America meant more money. The case I mention for example is the infamous map FDR presented as "evidence" of 3rd Reich aims for the Americas which was fully fabricated by the British. [4] The whole GOP 1940 conference thing can be found mentioned in this book, or you can read a summary of it on this article. But basically the British used spies and women and bribery and all sorts of cloak and dagger to move the convention into selecting literal-who Wendell Willkie (Not Alf Landon, mixed it up with 1936) who was virtually identical to FDR when it came to foreign policy as a insurance that even if the cripple lost they would be able to count on the USA to save their asses.

The Pearl Harbor attack happened because the USA had not only embargoed Japan, but also unilaterally froze jap assets in the USA and refused to negotiate for their release (meaning that literal already paid for oil and metals was kept from going to Japan, not just prohibiting trade) Which was baiting the japs into attacking because of course they wouldn't let such a move humiliate them. The fucker knew a attack was coming because the codes that Japan used had been cracked already and D.C. could have warned them with hours to spare to mobilize but they didn't.

Fuck FDR.
 

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The Pearl Harbor attack happened because the USA had not only embargoed Japan, but also unilaterally froze jap assets in the USA and refused to negotiate for their release (meaning that literal already paid for oil and metals was kept from going to Japan, not just prohibiting trade) Which was baiting the japs into attacking because of course they wouldn't let such a move humiliate them. The fucker knew a attack was coming because the codes that Japan used had been cracked already and D.C. could have warned them with hours to spare to mobilize but they didn't.
In regards to that last point, don't you think the FDR was justified in sanctioning Japan given the atrocities they were committing in China and/or the threat they posed to US interests by taking French Indochina and threatening the US controlled Philippines?
 
In regards to that last point, don't you think the FDR was justified in sanctioning Japan given the atrocities they were committing in China and/or the threat they posed to US interests by taking French Indochina and threatening the US controlled Philippines?

He didn't have to steal the money already paid for goods the goods and seize the assets in the USA. That was a provocation, especially when aligned with movements from the Pacific Fleet that was going on and his rhetoric around the conflicts in Europe and Asia.

He basically slapped a rabid dog knowing it would bite because he wanted to cry about it.
 
Gonna play devil’s advocate and point out that initially a lot of niggas on here complained about how Dobrovolsky was “blackwashed” and making him a German simp Neo-Nazi was dumb because it had nothing to do with his IRL beliefs. Well they’re reworking AB to make Vagner and Velimir’s paths more in line with their IRL ideology, being straight Russian Nazis instead of German larpers.

But that’s bad now because wacky paths gave TNO it’s soul or whatever.

My personal stance on the issue is that I don’t really give a shit about the Vagner path I just hope they don’t touch Hyperborea that path is so much fun.
 
Gonna play devil’s advocate and point out that initially a lot of niggas on here complained about how Dobrovolsky was “blackwashed” and making him a German simp Neo-Nazi was dumb because it had nothing to do with his IRL beliefs. Well they’re reworking AB to make Vagner and Velimir’s paths more in line with their IRL ideology, being straight Russian Nazis instead of German larpers.

But that’s bad now because wacky paths gave TNO it’s soul or whatever.

My personal stance on the issue is that I don’t really give a shit about the Vagner path I just hope they don’t touch Hyperborea that path is so much fun.
Pretty much agreed, the "National Anarchist" thing sounds fun enough, as does the new Alchemy path, and I like better writing/mechanics reworks in general... but they better keep the name 'Hyperborea', at least.
 
Gonna play devil’s advocate and point out that initially a lot of niggas on here complained about how Dobrovolsky was “blackwashed” and making him a German simp Neo-Nazi was dumb because it had nothing to do with his IRL beliefs. Well they’re reworking AB to make Vagner and Velimir’s paths more in line with their IRL ideology, being straight Russian Nazis instead of German larpers.
They did this before as well. If I'm remembering correctly, the original AB leader was a hohol resistance fighter during WW2 who was a leader of Soviet partisans in German-occupied Ukraine. Guy got medals and shit for his work as well, so he was a fairly notable if pretty unknown figure. Story goes, apparently his family loved to look him up online for mentions, and devs removed him a leader of the faction out of fear some Ukrainian peasants with 90s Internet would send them a mail bomb or some shit.
 
They did this before as well. If I'm remembering correctly, the original AB leader was a hohol resistance fighter during WW2 who was a leader of Soviet partisans in German-occupied Ukraine. Guy got medals and shit for his work as well, so he was a fairly notable if pretty unknown figure. Story goes, apparently his family loved to look him up online for mentions, and devs removed him a leader of the faction out of fear some Ukrainian peasants with 90s Internet would send them a mail bomb or some shit.
He’s still in the mod. As the wholesome anti-nazi resistance leader in the AB. And rules over Perm once you collapse Western Russia as Onega.
 
FDR is the worst president the United States every had and a fucking disgrace to the Founding Fathers. He tried to stack the supreme court in a cartoonishly stupid move and thankfully failed, he signed the NFA with the explicit goal of gun control by making guns unaffordable (200 dollars tax stamps on fucking 1934 dollars) and with provisions to move into making handguns illegal (which never passed because that was impossible to sell to the US public but it's why the NFA and ATF are so retarded about short barrel rifles, the laws against those were made as a precaution for the eventual handgun ban) he fucked the economy for a DECADE and kept the Great Depression going for much longer than needed while insisting on Kenysian bullshit, he directly set the standards and basis for the massive growth and explosion in scope of the federal government, he directly made the American people fat and diabetic by fucking with farming prices in a unconstitutional move and hooking farmers up on a addictive drug called subsides, he had literal communist agents of the USSR on his administration like Charles Dexter White and Alger Hiss and his VP during WW2 Wallace might as well have been a paid NKVD plant for how naively stupid he was at trusting Stalin, he fell for British propaganda about Nazis wanting to establish Reichskomissariats in South and Central America like a complete retard and pushed for the USA to get involved into world politics despite the public not wanting him to (British rigged the GOP Convention of 1940 to ensure that the Republican Candidate was a literal who Alf Landon because he shared this international view so they could rely on America to keep funding their European war), his court packing was done because he knew his plans were unconstitutional and when they were eventually struck down he worked his propaganda to reword them slightly and get it passed again, his entire presidency was as close to fascism as the USA ever came
So what you're saying is that FDR bulldozed over the weak bullshit liberal rules, protected our farmers, worked with Comrade Stalin (a shining pillar of social nationalism), did what needed to be done to remove alien elements from society, asserted the American Race's strength over the degenerate Euroid, played the Eternal Anglo into collapsing their empire, and almost established True Fascism? What a based and redpilled man! Why can't modern fascists be more like him instead of annoying jewspergs?
 
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Gonna play devil’s advocate and point out that initially a lot of niggas on here complained about how Dobrovolsky was “blackwashed” and making him a German simp Neo-Nazi was dumb because it had nothing to do with his IRL beliefs. Well they’re reworking AB to make Vagner and Velimir’s paths more in line with their IRL ideology, being straight Russian Nazis instead of German larpers.

But that’s bad now because wacky paths gave TNO it’s soul or whatever.

My personal stance on the issue is that I don’t really give a shit about the Vagner path I just hope they don’t touch Hyperborea that path is so much fun.
Its over...
 
Gonna play devil’s advocate and point out that initially a lot of niggas on here complained about how Dobrovolsky was “blackwashed” and making him a German simp Neo-Nazi was dumb because it had nothing to do with his IRL beliefs. Well they’re reworking AB to make Vagner and Velimir’s paths more in line with their IRL ideology, being straight Russian Nazis instead of German larpers.

But that’s bad now because wacky paths gave TNO it’s soul or whatever.

My personal stance on the issue is that I don’t really give a shit about the Vagner path I just hope they don’t touch Hyperborea that path is so much fun.

TNO wouldn't suffer much if it had straight up fictional characters as leaders for the more wacky countries. Putting real people there will only cause conflict due to their real selves never perfectly matching up with their mod counterparts.
 
This FDR guy must have really been the devil if you had mildly racist at worst populists teaming up with actually racist populists to take him down. Speaking of Long, the whole placement of him taking the South in KR is bad as well, but another holdover from old KR. Even users of the subreddit have pointed out that Long's political base IRL was Louisiana, Texas, and the largely agrarian and impoverished Midwest where his programs would have been most beneficial.

The guy had meetings with Robert M. La Follette Jr. and his family, arguably one of the most socially and economically progressive men of his time, and they shared very similar stances on several issues. La Follette belonged to a political dynasty from Wisconsin I might add. Pretty removed from Louisiana.

Of course they condemn their fictionalized Long though due to one event where the player can agree to get support from the Klan or something in exchange for a few free divisions, ignoring that it has zero impact besides opening up the Pelley route if you go that way. You don't empower them any way, just free divs.
Without taking morality into account, it could be a reaction to how much power FDR was amassing. He created most of the three-letter agencies, and placed them at the President's beck and call. The US government went from a cantankerous Uncle Sam of old political cartoons to the all-encompassing Azazoth-like figure of The X-Files.

"Why, man, he doth bestride the narrow world
Like a Colossus, and we petty men
Walk under his huge legs and peep about
To find ourselves dishonorable graves."
 
TNO wouldn't suffer much if it had straight up fictional characters as leaders for the more wacky countries. Putting real people there will only cause conflict due to their real selves never perfectly matching up with their mod counterparts.
This is only really an issue when you have mods push for being as plausable and realistic as possible because you can always justify it in-universe anyway. Josias in RK Kaukasien is a good example of someone not accurately representing their OTL self but its justified by what happened to him.
 
Without taking morality into account, it could be a reaction to how much power FDR was amassing. He created most of the three-letter agencies, and placed them at the President's beck and call. The US government went from a cantankerous Uncle Sam of old political cartoons to the all-encompassing Azazoth-like figure of The X-Files.
I always find it interesting how some of the most celebrated US Presidents are actually the worse when just looking at abuse of power and expansion of the government. Lincoln got to use the Civil War to massively expand the Federal Government back in the 1860s, but even then it wasn't like you'd meet a fed that often and his policies were largely benign compared to the other ones.

Wilson created the Alien and Sedition Act, dragged us into WW1 to bail out the US financial elite funding the Entente, established the Federal Reserve, and decided it was America's destiny to regime change and nation build.

Then you have that devil that is FDR who pretty much single-handedly created the bloated abomination that is the modern Federal Government.

To think there was a time in American history where you were lucky if you dealt with government employees more than a few times a year. Now you can't do anything without going through all this bloat.
 
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