Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

[Ryona420]

I have a question, how are you able to make focus trees faster then actual tno or any other submod? I know a lot of the focuses are probably visual only but back when tno actually did leaks weekly they at most post one or two focuses. I'm not familiar with coding so I don't know how hard it really is.

Not Goodwinson but its honestly in a strange way since he is alone. The code itself is easy. For the most part its all text based and not actual code and its code even a retarded can read. So you just have to copy what those who were before you made. Why he pumps these out so fast is probably cause its fast. He does not need to write long story events (granted I actually loved those) nor does he need to make minigames nor does he have a legion of red frothing at the mouth to tell him why he is wrong. Simply put he can just put his ideas and focuses in since lack of all those things.

We got a twofer today.

1. TNO's Brazil update has been delayed, AGAIN. Absolute radio silence about this on the reddit. FAKE AND GAY. Got bamboozled.
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2. Kaiserreich is "touching up" the USA.
(Progress Report 148: the United States of America)
(Archive)

Basic tl;dr - Al Smith is the starting leader, more minigames, and new names for the tags.
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This is going to be stupid. I tried to do a Germany game not that long ago and it was complete dogshit and ass. I legit hated it. I hate that TNO has made these people think minigames are fun. I am sorry but its stimulus overload for me. In HOI4 you are basically the general staff of the army. You control all the field marshals and can be directly the industry of the nation and at times can nudge it politics. That's it. That is your only role. Trying to make it that you are talking to congress, passing bills, and other bullcrap is retarded. No one will care about this. No one wants this. Its a waste of time and too confusing.

 

[Happy Camper]

The jokes write themselves.

I have a question, how are you able to make focus trees faster then actual tno or any other submod? I know a lot of the focuses are probably visual only but back when tno actually did leaks weekly they at most post one or two focuses. I'm not familiar with coding so I don't know how hard it really is.

Surprising as it may seem, Goodwinson isn't a superhuman entity and all of this is actually very normal. In fact, everything taking forever is a new phenomenon.
Making a focus isn't that hard. If you're making a very basic tree then churning out a single one won't take much longer than it'll take me to write this post at least if you don't also set aside time to make new graphics. In short: If you try to make a HOI4 mod instead of modding HOI4 into a different game you'll get content out much faster. This is the culprit and the reason why HOI4 modding had such a dark age after TNO's popularity and why we're thankfully seeing nature heal now that TFR is showing how things can be done. KR back in the day put out lots of them and we see that KX and TFR can put out higher quality trees than old KR ones in a relatively short amount of time. There's also X factors like dysfunction, bureaucracy and politics to be considered (all very unflattering in TNO's case) but even without that you demonstrably have a way worse time getting anything done if you insist on having sixty unique scripts in every sub-route.

 

[Kiwilol]

This mod is so gay lol. I will rather read a book than play this (the fire rises better though)

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

The jokes write themselves.

Those are the most reddit brained takes on hoi4 and it's mod's.

 

[Amerikaner Teddybär]

This is going to be stupid. I tried to do a Germany game not that long ago and it was complete dogshit and ass. I legit hated it. I hate that TNO has made these people think minigames are fun. I am sorry but its stimulus overload for me. In HOI4 you are basically the general staff of the army. You control all the field marshals and can be directly the industry of the nation and at times can nudge it politics. That's it. That is your only role. Trying to make it that you are talking to congress, passing bills, and other bullcrap is retarded. No one will care about this. No one wants this. Its a waste of time and too confusing.

I can confirm that the minigames are the bane of my current TNO playthrough. Not only as Brazil you have to worry about the South American Cold War with Argentina but also the elections which have got to be the most tedious minigame in all of TNO. The following screenshots are concurrent for my playthrough.

 

[Corpun]

How much kool-aid do you need to drink to think that TNOmod is more entertaining than base HOI4 or any other mod? Just read a CYOA book or something at that point if watching divisions move across a map is too complicated for you.

 

[Enginig Gaming]

I can confirm that the minigames are the bane of my current TNO playthrough. Not only as Brazil you have to worry about the South American Cold War with Argentina but also the elections which have got to be the most tedious minigame in all of TNO. The following screenshots are concurrent for my playthrough.

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You know what,why out off all mods that could benefit unironically for having minigames treating Modern Politics,like MD with a GUI that looks like this(EU/Supranational entities,Parlamentary countries,UN,Economy,etc) but Noooo, is the Fucking "ULTRA EDGE NAZIS WIN WW2 but LE TRANNE SAVE THE DAY FROM THE WORLD chud" is a curse so bad that the poeple who made that where sometimes literal pedos,for God sake,God and Jesus Bled Goodwinson and all the KF that are helping unfucked the most "THE RAPED" Mod ever made for HOI4.

 

[GoodWinSon]

I have a question, how are you able to make focus trees faster then actual tno or any other submod? I know a lot of the focuses are probably visual only but back when tno actually did leaks weekly they at most post one or two focuses. I'm not familiar with coding so I don't know how hard it really is.

@Ryona420 and @Happy Camper captured my thoughts perfectly, but I have a few things to add
1. I coded some python scripts to cut out busy work, which speeds up development
2. I don't have to hold back content for block updates. I update as I go along essentially, so my stuff is rather bleeding edge in some regard, and everyone has a front row seat to the ugliness
3. I generally go light on descriptions unless it's for an event or I have something special in mind. Even then, my events are rarely as long as the old ones. I don't have a legion of slaves to write events for me, so I work within my means
4. I have a decent pc set up, so constantly loading and closing hoi4 while having vscode open is no issue. Just having a 5600x and 32gb of ram has sped dev time a lot. It also helps running with running test games. Sometimes when I am away, I'll leave an observer game running to see how the ai behaves.

This mod is so gay lol. I will rather read a book than play this (the fire rises better though)

I am convinced that TNO fans are kids who don't play games besides hoi4, and don't read books. Which is a shame, because there are countless books with better writing than TNO. If you cannot read something without flashing lights on a screen, there are also many video games that outshine TNO. It's been said a thousand times, but Hoi4 is not supposed to be a narrative game.

 

[Nuclear Operative]

This mod is so gay lol. I will rather read a book than play this (the fire rises better though)

bro it all gets good after this next part, just after the thrembillion focus tree story time of speer trans rights legalization and Heydrich owning the evil chuds while creating the beloved wholesome transtopia, just trvst me bro please it's BETTER than reading books (because you get to feel it ok???)

Showing this off to my Trans-Sisters in TNO-Con (It was so wholesome that it resulted in a heart-breaking speech from Pacifica and everyone clapped.)

 

[Moja Zemlja]

How much kool-aid do you need to drink to think that TNOmod is more entertaining than base HOI4 or any other mod?

By being so absolutely dogshit at a baby tier grand strategy that the only fun to be gotten from it is from reading.

 

[Enginig Gaming]

@Ryona420 and @Happy Camper captured my thoughts perfectly, but I have a few things to add
1. I coded some python scripts to cut out busy work, which speeds up development
2. I don't have to hold back content for block updates. I update as I go along essentially, so my stuff is rather bleeding edge in some regard, and everyone has a front row seat to the ugliness
3. I generally go light on descriptions unless it's for an event or I have something special in mind. Even then, my events are rarely as long as the old ones. I don't have a legion of slaves to write events for me, so I work within my means
4. I have a decent pc set up, so constantly loading and closing hoi4 while having vscode open is no issue. Just having a 5600x and 32gb of ram has sped dev time a lot. It also helps running with running test games. Sometimes when I am away, I'll leave an observer game running to see how the ai behaves.

I am convinced that TNO fans are kids who don't play games besides hoi4, and don't read books. Which is a shame, because there are countless books with better writing than TNO. If you cannot read something without flashing lights on a screen, there are also many video games that outshine TNO. It's been said a thousand times, but Hoi4 is not supposed to be a narrative game.

Can i and others be part off the sla... i Mean Patriot work in the writing,of course we will send you the text only and you should implement it all like a good Hoi 4 Mod team,also add TND/TTD/TKD sometimes because is funny.
Also in a more serious note,DAMM that is high quality specs or is my third world country so far behind that only rich kids can afford a 32gb of Ram,instaed off being the base rate now in Trumps America 2 : Chud Boogaloo?

 

[Nigger Cobson]

I can confirm that the minigames are the bane of my current TNO playthrough. Not only as Brazil you have to worry about the South American Cold War with Argentina but also the elections which have got to be the most tedious minigame in all of TNO. The following screenshots are concurrent for my playthrough.

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TNO has always just been “HOI4 for people who don’t like/aren’t the target audience for HOI4”, the difference when it was released is that TNO was genuinely innovative for its time (even the biggest TNO hater can admit that superevents are pretty cool for example), that TNO had iconic schizo paths like Burgundy and Taboritsky that were particularly appealing because not as much mods had funny meme paths back then, that TNO hadn’t been infected by the realism virus due to Panzer still being God Emperor, and that there was a hope that TNO would be updated at least somewhat regularly. There is also the fact that Russia serves as somewhat of an exception to TNO not having much war as it is an entire region of the map in which war is still prevalent and you can still micro and blob; it is not a coincidence that like half of TNO memes are about Russian warlords since Russia is the most fun part of the mod.

 

[Kiwilol]

bro it all gets good after this next part, just after the thrembillion focus tree story time of speer trans rights legalization and Heydrich owning the evil chuds while creating the beloved wholesome transtopia, just trvst me bro please it's BETTER than reading books (because you get to feel it ok???)
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Showing this off to my Trans-Sisters in TNO-Con (It was so wholesome that it resulted in a heart-breaking speech from Pacifica and everyone clapped.)

I do voice training when playing tno with my trans sisters️

 

[GoodWinSon]

Also in a more serious note,DAMM that is high quality specs or is my third world country so far behind that only rich kids can afford a 32gb of Ram,instaed off being the base rate now in Trumps America 2 : Chud Boogaloo?

Well if you believe some people, I have to upgrade to a 9800X3D with a 4080 minimum so I can play the latest AAA slop at 4K on a 300 dollar monitor.

Showing this off to my Trans-Sisters in TNO-Con (It was so wholesome that it resulted in a heart-breaking speech from Pacifica and everyone clapped.)

do voice training when playing tno with my trans sisters️

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Roll a D20 to find out how your death will benefit Evropa

 

[Corpun]

By being so absolutely dogshit at a baby tier grand strategy that the only fun to be gotten from it is from reading.

How do you be bad at HOI4 nigga, all you gotta to is press `, enter "tag [COUNTRY TAG]", and modify all their templates to be absolute dogshit.

 

[Moja Zemlja]

How do you be bad at HOI4 nigga, all you gotta to is press `, enter "tag [COUNTRY TAG]", and modify all their templates to be absolute dogshit.

You can sit back and battleplan with an army of simple 7/2s and they fail at this hurdle do you think they know how to do console commands?

 

[Amerikaner Teddybär]

How do you be bad at HOI4 nigga, all you gotta to is press `, enter "tag [COUNTRY TAG]", and modify all their templates to be absolute dogshit.

That or select the units giving you a hard time and type "delall".

 

[Happy Camper]

Even the Reddit is revolting. All these years without updates is too much even for some of them, it's a sea of deleted posts (deleted for "being a dick") out there and everything that survived is shitting on the devs for ruining the mod. Fun read.

Also maybe take it with a grain of salt since it's a 4chan screencap but the lead for this update may have followed through on his promise and resigned. This is something he said he would do last year so it's actually believable and given how these things have worked out in the past that likely means that the tag is now dead.

That or select the units giving you a hard time and type "delall".

A true desciple of Sun Tzu's art of war would type in "delall" followed by the tag name to achieve a flawless victory.

EDIT: Broken link fixed.

 

[Karakhalkin-Gol]

Even the Reddit is revolting. All these years without updates is too much even for some of them, it's a sea of deleted posts (deleted for "being a dick") out there and everything that survived is shitting on the devs for ruining the mod. Fun read.

Also maybe take it with a grain of salt since it's a 4chan screencap but the lead for this update may have followed through on his promise and resigned. This is something he said he would do last year so it's actually believable and given how these things have worked out in the past that likely means that the tag is now dead.
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A true desciple of Sun Tzu's art of war would type in "delall" followed by the tag name to achieve a flawless victory.

Your link is to a TFR post. I believe you meant this one. https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/s/nvcmBN6TmC
Archive: https://archive.ph/dQG0h

 

[Happy Camper]

Your link is to a TFR post. I believe you meant this one. https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/s/nvcmBN6TmC
Archive: https://archive.ph/dQG0h

And here I thought that fixing it in under five minutes would save me from being caught linking to the wrong thread I wanted to make fun of.